Why do my hard earned tax dollars support a bike team?



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Ronde Champ

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Hey,

Why does the US federal Government support a bike team in
France? I work hard for my money, and think the taxes I pay
could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

Thanks, Ronde Champ
 
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Bob In Ct

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On 7 Jul 2004 08:58:13 -0700, Ronde Champ <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Why does the US federal Government support a bike team in
> France? I work hard for my money, and think the taxes I
> pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
>
> Thanks, Ronde Champ

Actually, the US Postal service is entirely run from funds
received from postage. If you don't want your hard earned
money to go to the US Postal team, don't mail anything.

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David Off

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Ronde Champ wrote:

> I work hard for my money

no you don't, you spend most of the day on r.b.r
 
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Alex Rodriguez

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In article
<[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike team
>in France? I work hard for my money, and think the taxes I
>pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!

Like any other company, you have to advertise to get more
business. USPS wanted to get more customers in Europe to use
their service, so they sponser a bicycle racing team. For
the money they spend, they get an excellent return on
investment. So they continued to do so until ignorant folks
started to complain.
-------------
Alex
 
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Chris

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"Alex Rodriguez" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>For the money they spend, they get an excellent return on
>investment. So they continued to do so until ignorant folks
>started to complain.

Who do you suppose you are talking to?
 
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Curt

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"Bob in CT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
> On 7 Jul 2004 08:58:13 -0700, Ronde Champ
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > Why does the US federal Government support a bike team
> > in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
> > taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
> >
> > Thanks, Ronde Champ
>
> Actually, the US Postal service is entirely run from funds
> received from postage. If you don't want your hard earned
> money to go to the US Postal team, don't mail anything.
>
> --
> Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

Bob, this guy doesn't understand that. He is really not all
there. He spreads so much **** around on this board and for
some reason people reply to him. Best thing to do is put him
on ignore.

Curt
 
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Bob In Ct

Guest
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:27:58 GMT, curt <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Bob in CT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:eek:[email protected]...
>> On 7 Jul 2004 08:58:13 -0700, Ronde Champ
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Hey,
>> >
>> > Why does the US federal Government support a bike team
>> > in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
>> > taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
>> >
>> > Thanks, Ronde Champ
>>
>> Actually, the US Postal service is entirely run from
>> funds received from postage. If you don't want your hard
>> earned money to go to the US Postal team, don't mail
>> anything.
>>
>> --
>> Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply
>
> Bob, this guy doesn't understand that. He is really not
> all there. He spreads so much **** around on this board
> and for some reason people reply to him. Best thing to do
> is put him on ignore.
>
> Curt
>
>

Ahhhh, ok. It's been a while since I came here, because the
place is like the MFW boards -- they eat you alive
sometimes, usually over nothing.

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Chris

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I doubt most of the D3 pro's make enough to be taxed anyway.
Sure they take the taxes out, but you should get that all
back. If not, then you should spend time talking to an
accountant and less talking about all the money you're
losing, because technically, just being a pro bike racer in
the U.S. is losing you money.

CH

[email protected] (Ronde Champ) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> Hey,
>
> Why does the US federal Government support a bike team in
> France? I work hard for my money, and think the taxes I
> pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
>
> Thanks, Ronde Champ
 
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K. J. Papai

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Bob in CT <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On 7 Jul 2004 08:58:13 -0700, Ronde Champ
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > Why does the US federal Government support a bike team
> > in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
> > taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
> >
> > Thanks, Ronde Champ
>
> Actually, the US Postal service is entirely run from funds
> received from postage. If you don't want your hard earned
> money to go to the US Postal team, don't mail anything.

DUDE -- you're being trolled.

Dude...........
 
S

Shussbar

Guest
>Like any other company, you have to advertise to get more
>business. USPS wanted to get more customers in Europe to
>use their service

I wonder how you could use the USPS services in Europe???
Each country has it s own postal services, most of the time
a Federal Agency or close, so the advertisement reason is
void for Europe. Works only for USA
 
J

Joseph Hurley

Guest
And this post, ladies and gentlemen, beautifully illustrates
WHY USPS is not going to be sponsoring the team anymore.

As for the reason why they did it in the first place, there
is a reason. In 1998, USPS was launching a new service,
Global Priority Mail, which would guarantee delivery to
most major cities in the world in 3 days. This service was
being launched not only here but overseas, where they
sought to pick up some business currently monopolized by
DHL. They felt that sponsoring a bicycle team that would
race around the world would increase the visibility of the
US Postal Service.

It's not a crazy idea, and by the way, it did work. But they
feel they've accomplished as much as they can market-share-
wise, plus all the pressure from groups that think it's a
waste of money, and so they decided to pull the plug.

Other point -- the US Postal Service receives NOT ONE RED
CENT of tax dollars. It fully supports itself via the sale
of postage stamps and other shipping services. It is a
corporation, albeit one owned by the US Government, but does
not receive tax money to support its operations -- those are
purely financed by its revenues from the sale of stamps and
other delivery fees.

Regards,

Joe Hurley

> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> >Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike
> >team in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
> >taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
 
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Chuck

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On 7 Jul 2004 08:58:13 -0700, [email protected] (Ronde Champ) wrote:

>Hey,
>
> Why does the US federal Government support a bike team in
> France? I work hard for my money, and think the taxes I
> pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
>
>Thanks, Ronde Champ

At the risk of being trolled, especially in light of this
being my annual post to rbr, I offer this (which I'm sure
many have seen). It

collective noses clean...

------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------

The Lake Worth Herald, in a July 2003 editorial wrote,
"Shouldn’t the post office be directing its efforts into
more efficient mail delivery, more cost savings within the
organization, better ways to deal with for-profit
competitors and leave the heavy duty sponsorships to private
businesses which can properly track the effectiveness of
said campaigns?"

In 2002 the newspapers filed three Freedom of Information
(FOIA) requests with the USPS for expenses of postal
executives attending the Tour de France race in Paris.

The newspapers learned that more than a dozen postal
executives spent tens of thousands of dollars on first class
airfare, luxury hotel suites and in Paris’ finest
restaurants.

"On July 3, 2001, then Vice President of Sales Gail
Sonnenberg, and her husband Robert Maddern, manager of post
office operations in the Washington DC metropolitan area,
flew to Geneva, one day after the USPS raised postal rates."

"During less than one month, she expensed nearly $20,000
to the post office for two roundtrip flights and $1,020 a
day hotel charges among other expenditures," the
newspapers reported.

Asked by the Herald/Observers at the time if he paid his own
hotel and expenses while in Europe, Maddern responded, "It’s
none of your business."

http://www.postalwatch.org/news2004/2004_03_24_au_revoir-
_lance.htm

C.
 
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Sam

Guest
"Alex Rodriguez" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> >Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike
> >team in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
> >taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
>
> Like any other company, you have to advertise to get more
> business. USPS wanted to get more customers in Europe to
> use their service, so they
sponser
> a bicycle racing team. For the money they spend, they get
> an excellent return on investment. So they continued to do
> so until ignorant folks started to complain.
> -------------
> Alex
>

I would like to see some proof that they are getting bang
for their buck in terms of promotion and advertising. I
doubt they are.
 
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Sam

Guest
But USPS does not pay taxes on the building or land it owns
as does FedEx and UPS which is a big business advantage.
Even with the monopoly it has, it cannot make money. Some
people should be fired and the postal carriers union is part
of the blame.

Can anyone show proof that sponsoring a bike team increased
their market share?

"Joseph Hurley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> And this post, ladies and gentlemen, beautifully
> illustrates WHY USPS is
not
> going to be sponsoring the team anymore.
>
> As for the reason why they did it in the first place,
> there is a reason.
In
> 1998, USPS was launching a new service, Global Priority
> Mail, which would guarantee delivery to most major cities
> in the world in 3 days. This service was being launched
> not only here but overseas, where they sought
to
> pick up some business currently monopolized by DHL. They
> felt that sponsoring a bicycle team that would race around
> the world would increase the visibility of the US Postal
> Service.
>
> It's not a crazy idea, and by the way, it did work. But
> they feel they've accomplished as much as they can market-share-
> wise, plus all the pressure from groups that think it's a
> waste of money, and so they decided to pull the plug.
>
> Other point -- the US Postal Service receives NOT ONE RED
> CENT of tax dollars. It fully supports itself via the sale
> of postage stamps and
other
> shipping services. It is a corporation, albeit one owned
> by the US Government, but does not receive tax money to
> support its operations -- those are purely financed by its
> revenues from the sale of stamps and
other
> delivery fees.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Hurley
>
> > In article
> > <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] says...
> > >Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike
> > >team in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
> > >taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
 
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Marty Wallace

Guest
"Sam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Alex Rodriguez" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article
> > <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] says...
> > >Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a bike
> > >team in France? I work hard for my money, and think the
> > >taxes I pay could be better used. What a Boondoggle!
> >
> > Like any other company, you have to advertise to get
> > more business.
USPS
> > wanted to get more customers in Europe to use their
> > service, so they
> sponser
> > a bicycle racing team. For the money they spend, they
> > get an excellent return on investment. So they continued
> > to do so until ignorant folks started to complain.
> > -------------
> > Alex
> >
>
> I would like to see some proof that they are getting bang
> for their buck
in
> terms of promotion and advertising. I doubt they are.
>
>

My God you're an idiot. The fastest rider and the fastest
team in the biggest race in the world! And you want proof?
If you don't think thats good promotion and advertising then
you tell us what is.

Marty
 
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Ken Very Big Li

Guest
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:28:35 +0200, David Off <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Ronde Champ wrote:
>
>> I work hard for my money
>
>no you don't, you spend most of the day on r.b.r

ROTFLMAO! A truer statement has never been made on r.b.r.
 
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Churchill

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"Marty Wallace" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:-
> [email protected]
> >
> > "Alex Rodriguez" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > In article
> > > <[email protected]>,
> > > [email protected] says...
> > > >Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a
> > > >bike team in France? I work hard for my money, and
> > > >think the taxes I pay could be better used. What a
> > > >Boondoggle!
> > >
> > > Like any other company, you have to advertise to get
> > > more business.
> USPS
> > > wanted to get more customers in Europe to use their
> > > service, so they
> > sponser
> > > a bicycle racing team. For the money they spend, they
> > > get an
excellent
> > > return on investment. So they continued to do so until
> > > ignorant folks started to complain.
> > > -------------
> > > Alex
> > >
> >
> > I would like to see some proof that they are getting
> > bang for their buck
> in
> > terms of promotion and advertising. I doubt they are.
> >
> >
>
> My God you're an idiot. The fastest rider and the fastest
> team in the biggest race in the world! And you want proof?
> If you don't think thats good promotion and advertising
> then you tell us what is.
>
> Marty

Speaking as a non-American I would never have heard of the
"USPS" if it wasn't for the Tour, so their marketing worked
in my case :)

USPS is smart to do this, they are getting all of Europe
focused on their name, cycling 'I sense' is much more
popular in Europe than North America :)
 
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Mike

Guest
In article <[email protected]>, Churchill wrote:
>
> "Marty Wallace" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:4-
> [email protected]
>>
>> "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote in message news-
>> :[email protected]
>> >
>> > "Alex Rodriguez" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> > > In article
>> > > <[email protected]>,
>> > > [email protected] says...
>> > > >Hey, Why does the US federal Government support a
>> > > >bike team in France? I work hard for my money, and
>> > > >think the taxes I pay could be better used. What a
>> > > >Boondoggle!
>> > >
>> > > Like any other company, you have to advertise to get
>> > > more business.
>> USPS
>> > > wanted to get more customers in Europe to use their
>> > > service, so they
>> > sponser
>> > > a bicycle racing team. For the money they spend, they
>> > > get an
> excellent
>> > > return on investment. So they continued to do so
>> > > until ignorant folks started to complain.
>> > > -------------
>> > > Alex
>> > >
>> >
>> > I would like to see some proof that they are getting
>> > bang for their buck
>> in
>> > terms of promotion and advertising. I doubt they are.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> My God you're an idiot. The fastest rider and the fastest
>> team in the biggest race in the world! And you want
>> proof? If you don't think thats good promotion and
>> advertising then you tell us what is.
>>
>> Marty
>
> Speaking as a non-American I would never have heard of the
> "USPS" if it wasn't for the Tour, so their marketing
> worked in my case :)
>
> USPS is smart to do this, they are getting all of Europe
> focused on their name, cycling 'I sense' is much more
> popular in Europe than North America :)
>
>

Also, I think the USPS is privatized and therefore not
supported by the US government. Complain instead about how
the US government does support the US automakers, US
highways, and the US petrolium industry. Talk about a
boondoggle. Since when is it the responsibility of any
government to 'bail out' a corporation (Chrysler) or a city
(New York)?

Mike
 
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Mark Weaver

Guest
"Churchill" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:VucHc.45732
>
> Speaking as a non-American I would never have heard of the
> "USPS" if it wasn't for the Tour, so their marketing
> worked in my case :)
>
> USPS is smart to do this, they are getting all of Europe
> focused on their name, cycling 'I sense' is much more
> popular in Europe than North America
:)
>

But this is pointless because the USPS doesn't serve
European customers. That is, as I understand it, Europeans
can't even use the USPS to send mail or packages from Europe
to the US.

However, even though cycling isn't as popular here, Lance
has very high name recognition in the US and the
commercials featuring him racing through "sleet, snow,
gloom of night, etc" are actually pretty effective images
for a delivery service.

As for the USPS advertising in general -- of course they
have to advertise. They're in competition with FedEx, UPS,
Airborne, etc for the package delivery business, which is
the potential growth area. The rise of the Internet has
greatly increased package delivery (due to internet
shopping) while it has reduced ordinary mail delivery (due
to email).

Mark
 
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Werehatrack

Guest
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:08:57 -0400, "Churchill" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Speaking as a non-American I would never have heard of the
>"USPS" if it wasn't for the Tour, so their marketing worked
>in my case :)
>
>USPS is smart to do this, they are getting all of Europe
>focused on their name, cycling 'I sense' is much more
>popular in Europe than North America :)

It's not bad advertising in the US, either, and having seen
the budget numbers for what they spent supporting Lance & Co
a couple of years ago, I think they're doing pretty well
particularly since they're getting a lot more than just some
forgettable and tawdry billboards and print ads. (By
comparison, it would have cost several times as much to
support a NASCAR entry of any note, and would not have given
them a penny's worth of international recognition, nor would
it have reached the upper-echelon US business decision-
makers whose attention they also wanted to draw.)

Recently, of course, the fact that Lance has been winning
*in France* has been scoring points with some of the less
intellectual Americans. They demand their bread and circuses
loudly. (Some of our local post offices were selling USPS
cycling jerseys a few months back, and they sold out rather
quickly. I was surprised that this was the case.)
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