Why does every one hate Greg Lemond?

Discussion in 'Your Bloody Soap Box' started by Cycler6n, Aug 7, 2007.

  1. tasr

    tasr New Member

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    You mean Lances 1970 GTO?

    Greg Lemond truly fought to win his Tours. I don't think he nearly had the team that Lance put togeather.
     


  2. Coke Zero

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    I stand corrected. Won't be the last time...
     
  3. azul_fahrrad

    azul_fahrrad New Member

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    From what I have seen and heard, Lemond is a bit whiny and does seem to carry some luggage but then most of us do.

    Is there any substantive evidence that Armstrong or Fignon cheated?
     
  4. classic1

    classic1 Well-Known Member

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    With Armstrong there is plenty of circumstantial evidence plus those EPO tests from 1999 that weren't done under appropriate testing procedures. Fignon put in two positives during his career IIRC.
     
  5. azul_fahrrad

    azul_fahrrad New Member

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    Doing a Google search I found information about Fignon but it appears that he did not dope untill after he had passed his prime, perhaps is was a desperate attempt to recapture what was lost or extend a career that was already over.

    Reading about some of the circumstantial evidence and the EPO tests involving Lance, it sounds more like sour grapes than hard evidence.

    If Pro Cycling really wants to clean up the sport than they really need to clean up their testing standards and protocols. It seems what is or is not a positive highly speculative depending on which lab is doing the testing, who the rider is and what country the lab is in.

    A French news paper testing old B samples of a racer when the country and paper have both shown a clear bias against the rider is hardly evidence..

    A rose by any other name is still a rose. A positive in one country should be a positive in any other country. If the protocols are not strictly adhered to, the benifit of the doubt should go to rider.

    That's my two cents, let me know if I owe you change.
     
  6. Bro Deal

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    A French newspaper did not test the samples. They were tested by a WADA accredited lab. All samples from the '98 and '99 Tours were tested anonomously.; the lab had no idea who each sample belonged to. A couple years later the newspaper was able to link six of the positives to Armstrong because Armstrong gave the UCI permission to supply a reporter with his doping forms, which contained the codes used the label samples. Sounds like evidence to me.

    Fignon is one of the few riders who had the guts to stand up straight and tell people what he thought about doping. He said, "I did what I did and took what I took. I'm the one who will have to live with the consequences," or something to that effect. Surely a lot better than the sniveling denials we get today.
     
  7. azul_fahrrad

    azul_fahrrad New Member

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    Ok, I guess I am a little slow.

    Why does WADA keep urine samples after they finish testing? Sounds expensive considering how many test are done and the number of riders. It also sounds very gross.

    If WADA did the testing and there was PED's, why was Armstrong not nailed to the wall way back then?
     
  8. Bro Deal

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    Because EPO could not be detected in 1999. The UCI only started testing for it in 2001. Up to that point you were free to use EPO and just monitor your hematocrit to make sure you did not go over the 50% level.

    As to why they keep the samples and for how long they are kept, I don't know.
     
  9. Doctor.House

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    EPO cannot be detected in 2007 either.

    Unless you overdose or dehydrate.

    Daily Aranesp EPO injections remains clear--as do cow blood, insulin, most corticoids, hGH, testosterone, thyroid drugs and RSR-13 red blood thinner.
     
  10. adrian knight

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    You do talk sense !!
     
  11. zigoat

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    not only does lance's chamois smell like roses but he also has the ability to dodge bullets! I wonder if it was Charmichael or Ferrari who taught him how to do that.:confused:

    I think people dog Lemond because he said iky things about their hero, and maybe because he rode for a european team for awhile.
     
  12. janiejones

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    I don't - I even like his bikes.
     
  13. Stormsgate

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    ...we don't like him because he is going after Armstrong for the wrong reasons
     
  14. Stormsgate

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    you have got to be kidding me
     
  15. Stormsgate

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    Greg needs his ass beat
     
  16. tonyzackery

    tonyzackery Well-Known Member

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    LeMond is a zealous whistleblower, to some degree. Yes, he has an axe to grind, and justifiably so considering what he's been through AFAIK. As such, he's become the lightening rod for missplaced anger by those who would rather the status quo (drugs in cycling, its Omerta policy, and American cycling's Godfather) remain in place and untouched.

    He's an iconoclast, and those folks are never popular in the short term, but in the long term LeMond will be held in esteem, IMO.

    Lastly, "everyone" does not hate Greg LeMond. I don't hate him...Those folks that do should look elsewhere and focus on real heroes in society - especially not athletes/entertainers, etc...
     
  17. Stormsgate

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    I do not agree but hey.......that's what makes you a person I respect......because you politely and with more tact than i used stood up for your believe Good deal!
     
  18. alienator

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    Hating him isn't worth the effort. He didn't participate, as far as we know, in any genocide. He hasn't been convicted of any child molestation charges. He's never kicked my dog or hurt any friends or family. In fact, he's not really brought any harm to the world or anyone. Hell, neither has Armstrong. Given that, hating seems completely misplaced. I think if someone's at the point where they hate LeMond, Armstrong, or whoever, they're wound a bit too tight about cycling and have missed a critical point or two.
     
  19. Stormsgate

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    You are so right my friend!
     
  20. Chapeau!

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    Greg, please crawl back under the rock you came out from & shut it. You've been bested - deal with it you whiny old tool & put a muzzle on it. You have truly turned into a pathetic curmudgeon.
     
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