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From: Tobs Monks <[email protected]>
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Subject: RE: ''Psychology'' of a Mountain biker.
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 19:32:18 +0100
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I am a false Christian... think i will be the judge of that. If you
want to get into the 'im going to take the **** out of you for being a
christian stuff', try me... I am used to it. Afterall prejudice is
everwhere. In the same way your anti bike views are. I said i have
never killed an animal ON my bike.... can you READ or are you not
clever enough to read things closely.
Have you ever killed an insect? bet you have. That is a type of
habitat and eco system ruining. And dont you bull **** me, and say 'oh
no, im an eco warrior, i dont do things like that'. But by what i know
of you, you will say that. So therefore you are a liar and an animal
killer. That makes you as bad as you think a mountian biker is.
I want to ask you two questions as well.
a) Do you own a car? (dont lie to make yourself sound a better eco
warrior)
b) Do the american organisations you also write to actually accept
your views or reply positivley?
Also generalisation is not fact. Because you should not stereotype, as
that is unfair on the majority. But wait.... you are stereo typing
with these generalisations. Think about that.
Toby
(so you know, these debates are interesting. Keep it up)
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Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 10:47:31 -0700
To: [email protected]
From: [email protected]
Subject: RE: ''Psychology'' of a Mountain biker.
At 02:50 AM 5/25/2008, you wrote:
Thing is though Mike. The group you are posting it to will agree with
my views as it is a 'mountain biking group. Therefore you lose.
That doesn't follow. The truth always wins in the end.
So you are abusive too... you are now insulting my religion.
No, I'm not. REAL Christianity is fine. Your false Christianity, which
supports LYING and HABITAT DESTRUCTION, is not a religion, just a
cover for living SELFISHLY.
You are saying that as a christian as should not ride my bike.
You are LYING again. I never said that. I said you should rid it on
paved roads, NOT in natural areas.
And that i am a poor christiam in killing wildlife. I have never hit
an animal and killed it on my bike,
Insects are animals, you know. It is extremely unlikely that you have
never killed an animal. So you are LYING again, which is un-christian.
or a hiker for that matter. Humans are clever.... they move out of the
way of moving objects and if the moving object is controled by a
human, it moves the other way too. Unlike you who runs at road bikers
wearing a thong.
You are LYING again. It wasn't me, NOR Mike Vanderman. It was a
fabrication, like your emails.
Again... you lose.
Also the way you are posting this to other people is pathetic, it just
means you cant fight your own battles.
It's the best way to deal with abusive emails.
I don't lie mate, sorry. You lose.
You have already lied several times in this email! See above.
I am not a lesser individual, I am not a hypocrite or a liar. You
lose.
You are BOTH a hypocrite and a liar. You claim to be a Christian, but
you are too dishonest to be a real Christian. I'm posting your BS for
the whole world to see, as usual.
This is getting tiresome. However i await you reply with eagerness.
Toby
> Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 22:11:04 -0700
> To: [email protected]
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: ''Psychology'' of a Mountain biker.
>
> At 02:34 PM 5/24/2008, you wrote:
> >All you do is make come backs, there is no real argument. I have
> >taken the thoughts straight from your 'article'. You stated that it
> >is unchristian to be destroying the habitat of wild animals. There
> >is no evidence of me destroying a habitat. In most cases the damage
> >from bikes is much smaller than that of walkers.
>
> The science says otherwise, liar: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.
>
> > Fact. You can walk along my local hill on far more footpaths that
> > are very wide in comparison to the short and narrow tracks which
> > downhillers ride on. This can only be caused by too many walkers
> > eroding the paths to such a large extent that it is slowly eroding
> > habitats too. Here is an idea... seeing as you like having a go at
> > people over the internet. Why dont you cyber bully walkers too,
> > that way you can get even more friends.
>
> I just tell the truth. Mountain bikers call that "bullying".
>
> >What are you talking about advertising? I did not advertise, i told
> >you plain and simple.
>
> Everything you write on the Internet becomes public knowledge,
> ESPECIALLY when you are abusive. I post it to your newsgroup,
> alt.mountain-bike. That advertizes your stupidity to the whole world.
>
> > You have to be jealous. You are advertising by putting an article
> > up slating mountain bikers. An article that everyone can see,
> > surely that is advertising as a pose to having a debate with one
> > person via an email connection that only the people involved can read.
> >
> >Saying that I am lying? That is again a silly come back in my eyes.
>
> Not when it's true. You are no Christian. Christians are honest. You are not.
>
> >You say there are no hypothesis. there are. The whole thing is your
> >own personal theory on how mountain bikers function. It is a theory
> >because they are certainly not facts.
>
> See the research paper above.
>
> > OK i am willing to admit there is a tiny tiny minority of lesser
> > individuals who call them selves mountain bikers with a sole
> > purpose to ruin other peoples areas. But i have never met one of
> > these lesser individuals in all my time on a bike. Neither has any
> > one else to my knowledge.
>
> You are one of them. You don't admit the harm you do, but it's true anyway.
>
> >How am I being selfish. You have insulted mountainbikers all over
> >the world and you have fueled very ignorant people's
> >anti-mountainbiking arguments with no real facts.
>
> You are being selfish because you harm innocent wildlife and hikers,
> for no good reason, only your own selfish thrills. I think you know
> what I mean, but you pretend to be ignorant. OR ARE YOU REALLY THIS
> IGNORANT???
>
> --
>
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
> are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
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From: Tobs Monks <[email protected]>
To: Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: ''Psychology'' of a Mountain biker.
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 19:32:18 +0100
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To:
<[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
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I am a false Christian... think i will be the judge of that. If you
want to get into the 'im going to take the **** out of you for being a
christian stuff', try me... I am used to it. Afterall prejudice is
everwhere. In the same way your anti bike views are. I said i have
never killed an animal ON my bike.... can you READ or are you not
clever enough to read things closely.
Have you ever killed an insect? bet you have. That is a type of
habitat and eco system ruining. And dont you bull **** me, and say 'oh
no, im an eco warrior, i dont do things like that'. But by what i know
of you, you will say that. So therefore you are a liar and an animal
killer. That makes you as bad as you think a mountian biker is.
I want to ask you two questions as well.
a) Do you own a car? (dont lie to make yourself sound a better eco
warrior)
b) Do the american organisations you also write to actually accept
your views or reply positivley?
Also generalisation is not fact. Because you should not stereotype, as
that is unfair on the majority. But wait.... you are stereo typing
with these generalisations. Think about that.
Toby
(so you know, these debates are interesting. Keep it up)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 10:47:31 -0700
To: [email protected]
From: [email protected]
Subject: RE: ''Psychology'' of a Mountain biker.
At 02:50 AM 5/25/2008, you wrote:
Thing is though Mike. The group you are posting it to will agree with
my views as it is a 'mountain biking group. Therefore you lose.
That doesn't follow. The truth always wins in the end.
So you are abusive too... you are now insulting my religion.
No, I'm not. REAL Christianity is fine. Your false Christianity, which
supports LYING and HABITAT DESTRUCTION, is not a religion, just a
cover for living SELFISHLY.
You are saying that as a christian as should not ride my bike.
You are LYING again. I never said that. I said you should rid it on
paved roads, NOT in natural areas.
And that i am a poor christiam in killing wildlife. I have never hit
an animal and killed it on my bike,
Insects are animals, you know. It is extremely unlikely that you have
never killed an animal. So you are LYING again, which is un-christian.
or a hiker for that matter. Humans are clever.... they move out of the
way of moving objects and if the moving object is controled by a
human, it moves the other way too. Unlike you who runs at road bikers
wearing a thong.
You are LYING again. It wasn't me, NOR Mike Vanderman. It was a
fabrication, like your emails.
Again... you lose.
Also the way you are posting this to other people is pathetic, it just
means you cant fight your own battles.
It's the best way to deal with abusive emails.
I don't lie mate, sorry. You lose.
You have already lied several times in this email! See above.
I am not a lesser individual, I am not a hypocrite or a liar. You
lose.
You are BOTH a hypocrite and a liar. You claim to be a Christian, but
you are too dishonest to be a real Christian. I'm posting your BS for
the whole world to see, as usual.
This is getting tiresome. However i await you reply with eagerness.
Toby
> Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 22:11:04 -0700
> To: [email protected]
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: ''Psychology'' of a Mountain biker.
>
> At 02:34 PM 5/24/2008, you wrote:
> >All you do is make come backs, there is no real argument. I have
> >taken the thoughts straight from your 'article'. You stated that it
> >is unchristian to be destroying the habitat of wild animals. There
> >is no evidence of me destroying a habitat. In most cases the damage
> >from bikes is much smaller than that of walkers.
>
> The science says otherwise, liar: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.
>
> > Fact. You can walk along my local hill on far more footpaths that
> > are very wide in comparison to the short and narrow tracks which
> > downhillers ride on. This can only be caused by too many walkers
> > eroding the paths to such a large extent that it is slowly eroding
> > habitats too. Here is an idea... seeing as you like having a go at
> > people over the internet. Why dont you cyber bully walkers too,
> > that way you can get even more friends.
>
> I just tell the truth. Mountain bikers call that "bullying".
>
> >What are you talking about advertising? I did not advertise, i told
> >you plain and simple.
>
> Everything you write on the Internet becomes public knowledge,
> ESPECIALLY when you are abusive. I post it to your newsgroup,
> alt.mountain-bike. That advertizes your stupidity to the whole world.
>
> > You have to be jealous. You are advertising by putting an article
> > up slating mountain bikers. An article that everyone can see,
> > surely that is advertising as a pose to having a debate with one
> > person via an email connection that only the people involved can read.
> >
> >Saying that I am lying? That is again a silly come back in my eyes.
>
> Not when it's true. You are no Christian. Christians are honest. You are not.
>
> >You say there are no hypothesis. there are. The whole thing is your
> >own personal theory on how mountain bikers function. It is a theory
> >because they are certainly not facts.
>
> See the research paper above.
>
> > OK i am willing to admit there is a tiny tiny minority of lesser
> > individuals who call them selves mountain bikers with a sole
> > purpose to ruin other peoples areas. But i have never met one of
> > these lesser individuals in all my time on a bike. Neither has any
> > one else to my knowledge.
>
> You are one of them. You don't admit the harm you do, but it's true anyway.
>
> >How am I being selfish. You have insulted mountainbikers all over
> >the world and you have fueled very ignorant people's
> >anti-mountainbiking arguments with no real facts.
>
> You are being selfish because you harm innocent wildlife and hikers,
> for no good reason, only your own selfish thrills. I think you know
> what I mean, but you pretend to be ignorant. OR ARE YOU REALLY THIS
> IGNORANT???
>
> --
>
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
> are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
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Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
are fond of!
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande