I guess I need to clarify that afleng. I have three bikes I'm working with, a full suspension "silver" bike, and two nonsuspension bikes, in black and red. I can swap parts between all three, but regardless of the parts I have on each bike, the red frame always feels, and GPSs much slower. I've moved cranks, wheels, and derailers. I may have to get full measurements this evening, though the few frame measurements i have gotten, namely centerline of the seat stay (excluding the seatpost) to the centerline of the head tube (not counting the handlebars, fork, and related) is the same for all three bikes.