Why Pres. Bush should be impeached and indicted - Top 10

[Billsworld]

Wurm, you are, once again, a gentlemen, a scholar &; most importantly, a true patriot. The Repub's it would seem, from their leader's rhetoric, give feck all about the poor folk. They think the solution to everything is a little elbow grease & some preachin'. They would like to have us believe that they are "throw-backs" from the last century when they are in reality in it (gov't)only for patronage(self enrichment) Heard of the "John Young memorial bridge" (in Alaska) in the transportation bill Also Heard on the radio today that Grover Norquist said he would like if the gov't were reduced in size enough so that it could be "drowned in a bathtub." Swell bunch, those fellow's

If the govt takes another 40% + - of my income , I will officially be thier " slave ". The so called rich, (really middle/upper middle class) already pay the bills. Your attitude is too bad for them. I guess some people produce and others dont . Communism doesnt work , socialism is just a slower death

 

[davidmc]

If the govt takes another 40% + - of my income , I will officially be thier " slave ". The so called rich, (really middle/upper middle class) already pay the bills. Your attitude is too bad for them. I guess some people produce and others dont . Communism doesnt work , socialism is just a slower death

Sincerely, I do "feel your pain" but, let me ask you this. How much money is enough $100 million, $200 million, ect... for one person (V.P. Cheney as an example) Do you realize how many millions of people in this country are working 2 job's at @ $7.00/hr. to support themselves while Exxon has record profits
Have you ever read "On The Social Contract" by Rousseau
excerpt below:

At a point in the state of nature when the obstacles to human preservation have become greater than each individual with his own strength can cope with . . ., an adequate combination of forces must be the result of men coming together.

There are many people in our society who, for a variety of reasons, are physically &/or mentally deficient. Would you have us "cast them into the sea"

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/Rousseau-soccon.html

 

[Wurm]

How much money is enough $100 million, $200 million, ect... for one person (V.P. Cheney as an example)

There is never "enough" money. As soon as you make more, you find ways to spend it, and want more to spend...or more to hoard to feel "secure" from the outside world.

Or to try to blunt the fact that nature has its own ideas for your life: that no matter how much wealth you've amassed, you will die one day.

Dog chasing its tail.

As the saying goes: "The poor man wants to be rich, the rich man wants to be King." For example, Ross Perot (and many others).

In the case of BushCo: "...,the King then wants to be God", hence their struggle to rule the world.

There will never be "enough" to satiate them.

 

[Billsworld]

There is never "enough" money. As soon as you make more, you find ways to spend it, and want more to spend...or more to hoard to feel "secure" from the outside world.

Or to try to blunt the fact that nature has its own ideas for your life: that no matter how much wealth you've amassed, you will die one day.

Dog chasing its tail.

As the saying goes: "The poor man wants to be rich, the rich man wants to be King." For example, Ross Perot (and many others).

In the case of BushCo: "...,the King then wants to be God", hence their struggle to rule the world.

There will never be "enough" to satiate them.

Forgive me for trying to read between the lines here, but i think you are saying that we/ I should not aspire to prosper and provide for my family. My oldest daughter is 14. She is in all As, all honours classes. She wants to attend Cornell as her mother did. Right now thats about $40,000 per year. I know you libs dont like numbers, but thats $160,000 after tax. Or about $320,000 pre tax. I have another daughter too!! You two seem to love theory and hate the real world application dollars and cents. Wurm if I pay you $200 to work for me today. At the end of the day I pay you, and then grab back $100 . You only have $100. Thats alot of your income that you dont have for the things you need or want. Its $100 dollars that the places you shop will not be getting. I have agreed to disagree on the Iraq war , and you can despise Bush all you want. Socialism still is a failure. My point all along is to limit what the feds get to take. You two always bring up the money Bush and Cheney are making. I guess you like your Rich to have old money and trust funds

 

[wolfix]

Forgive me for trying to read between the lines here, but i think you are saying that we/ I should not aspire to prosper and provide for my family. My oldest daughter is 14. She is in all As, all honours classes. She wants to attend Cornell as her mother did. Right now thats about $40,000 per year. I know you libs dont like numbers, but thats $160,000 after tax. Or about $320,000 pre tax. I have another daughter too!! You two seem to love theory and hate the real world application dollars and cents. Wurm if I pay you $200 to work for me today. At the end of the day I pay you, and then grab back $100 . You only have $100. Thats alot of your income that you dont have for the things you need or want. Its $100 dollars that the places you shop will not be getting. I have agreed to disagree on the Iraq war , and you can despise Bush all you want. Socialism still is a failure. My point all along is to limit what the feds get to take. You two always bring up the money Bush and Cheney are making. I guess you like your Rich to have old money and trust funds

Cornell is a good school. I dated a lady that taught "women's studies" there...... I went to a hockey game there once and if I remember this right, the students have a particular chant when the opposing team scores a goal ..... It went something like this " That's all right, that's Ok, you will work for us someday!" I loved it. Back in the early 80's I wanted my own business so I worked many hours after my regular job to achieve this. I then risked my families home and my own security to put my plan into action. I was a modrate success if you look at income. Of course my workload doubled. My stress increased. I remember my friends of the blue collor type telling me how good I have it and that I should pick up the tab because it is a "tax write-off" for me.
I like the part in your post where you talk about pre-tax income and after tax costs...... I like to refer to that as "real cost money." I like to point out to my friends that when they buy that $25,000 car and make payments that the real cost is closer to $38,000 . The cost of the car is $25,000 and the payments add an additional $6000. So in order to have $31000 in your account you have to make about $38,000. It kind of puts a different perspective on things.
My major problem with high taxes and all the programs that cause high taxes are the freedoms they take away from the individual. If a man gets his paycheck taxed heavily it leaves him less money to deal with living expenses. That means less money to put back into the economy to spend that creates jobs. We are on a cycling forum. The money that keeps our bicycle shops open is from the part of our paycheck that is extra. It is not a true living expense. If there is little extra spending money in the area, bicycle shops fold. They are not needed for society to function.
Our public school system need to teach economics. Thy need to teach how money works and how jobs are created. Then they will stop attacking those in society who try and attain a higher standard of living.

 

[lyotard]

enough? when a ceo make thousands of times more than the worker yet fights like hell against raising the minimum wage.

this then, is enough.

productivity in action, us corporate style.

Sincerely, I do "feel your pain" but, let me ask you this. How much money is enough $100 million, $200 million, ect... for one person (V.P. Cheney as an example)
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/Rousseau-soccon.html

 

[Billsworld]

Cornell is a good school. I dated a lady that taught "women's studies" there...... I went to a hockey game there once and if I remember this right, the students have a particular chant when the opposing team scores a goal ..... It went something like this " That's all right, that's Ok, you will work for us someday!" I loved it. Back in the early 80's I wanted my own business so I worked many hours after my regular job to achieve this. I then risked my families home and my own security to put my plan into action. I was a modrate success if you look at income. Of course my workload doubled. My stress increased. I remember my friends of the blue collor type telling me how good I have it and that I should pick up the tab because it is a "tax write-off" for me.
I like the part in your post where you talk about pre-tax income and after tax costs...... I like to refer to that as "real cost money." I like to point out to my friends that when they buy that $25,000 car and make payments that the real cost is closer to $38,000 . The cost of the car is $25,000 and the payments add an additional $6000. So in order to have $31000 in your account you have to make about $38,000. It kind of puts a different perspective on things.
My major problem with high taxes and all the programs that cause high taxes are the freedoms they take away from the individual. If a man gets his paycheck taxed heavily it leaves him less money to deal with living expenses. That means less money to put back into the economy to spend that creates jobs. We are on a cycling forum. The money that keeps our bicycle shops open is from the part of our paycheck that is extra. It is not a true living expense. If there is little extra spending money in the area, bicycle shops fold. They are not needed for society to function.
Our public school system need to teach economics. Thy need to teach how money works and how jobs are created. Then they will stop attacking those in society who try and attain a higher standard of living.

Ahh a ray of sunshine on a cloudy day. I wish I could type faster and spell better, I would have alot more fun with these two

 

[tarczan]

He should be impeached because he doesn't enforce border security, particularly the one with Mexico.

 

[Wurm]

Forgive me for trying to read between the lines here, but i think you are saying that we/ I should not aspire to prosper and provide for my family. My oldest daughter is 14. She is in all As, all honours classes. She wants to attend Cornell as her mother did....

My statements above were mainly intended for those who are never satisfied with what they have, and/or want to take away what others have.

News for ya Bill: my daughter lives near Binghamton, and her grandfather is a Cornell alumni, and was a big shot at IBM for years. She'll be able to go there (if she wants to) when she reaches college age, because myself and her mother already have the money in the bank. Yes, we earned it, and didn't get it from "daddy".

Now that we're all done bragging about our offspring, money, and connections, (big ****ing deal ) let's get back to the topic which was:

"Why Pres. Bush should be impeached and indicted."

 

[Billsworld]

He should be impeached because he doesn't enforce border security, particularly the one with Mexico.

I have no good argument for that one. Not sure if its an impeachable offense, but it should be. The cost of the social services that mess costs the taxpayers should be taken out of his estate. Think that might slow down the problem??

 

[Billsworld]

My statements above were mainly intended for those who are never satisfied with what they have, and/or want to take away what others have.

News for ya Bill: my daughter lives near Binghamton, and her grandfather is a Cornell alumni, and was a big shot at IBM for years. She'll be able to go there (if she wants to) when she reaches college age, because myself and her mother already have the money in the bank. Yes, we earned it, and didn't get it from "daddy".

Now that we're all done bragging about our offspring, money, and connections, (big ****ing deal ) let's get back to the topic which was:

"Why Pres. Bush should be impeached and indicted."

My point is not to brag about anything. My opinion of extreme libs , is that they are usually socialists. They dispise the idea of small govt and personal responsability. Those beliefs are what usually drive the hatred for any and all repubs. The point of my last post was to illustrate how much money it takes do do simple things like support your family. And how much the taxes you so love , suck the life out of small businesses, and the so called rich. You have no good response for my bashing socialism. You instead use the usual talking points from the NY times and James Carville . Your only reason for wanting to impeache W is Iraq. Since thats your hot button, I would like to ask you a question since I have already responded to your Iraq B.S. If Sadam was openly supporting terrorism ; would that justify the invasion. Would any situation exist in your world that would justify the invasion.( Sadam being a republican doesnt count)

 

[Wurm]

Your only reason for wanting to impeache W is Iraq. Since thats your hot button, I would like to ask you a question since I have already responded to your Iraq B.S. If Sadam was openly supporting terrorism ; would that justify the invasion. Would any situation exist in your world that would justify the invasion.( Sadam being a republican doesnt count)

You've obviously not been paying attention. I have several reasons for impeaching the Lyin' King, and those are listed in the very first post that started this thread. Go back and read them.

The fact is not what Saddam Hussein might have been doing or could have done, but the actual circumstances of the invasion and the lies that preceeded it.

 

[Billsworld]

You've obviously not been paying attention. I have several reasons for impeaching the Lyin' King, and those are listed in the very first post that started this thread. Go back and read them.

The fact is not what Saddam Hussein might have been doing or could have done, but the actual circumstances of the invasion and the lies that preceeded it.

ya ya ya. can you answer my question?

 

[Wurm]

ya ya ya. can you answer my question?

There might have been a situation where an invasion of Iraq may have been appropriate, but none of them existed for the BushCo's. Thererfore, why engage in hypotheticals when there are real reasons for these traitors and thugs to be impeached, (other than for you to avoid the subject)?

 

[davidmc]

There might have been a situation where an invasion of Iraq may have been appropriate, but none of them existed for the BushCo's. Thererfore, why engage in hypotheticals when there are real reasons for these traitors and thugs to be impeached, (other than for you to avoid the subject)?

This administration began at the "conclusion" & worked backwards. Now they (our boys) are paying the price so that Bushco can "line thier pockets". It is a "given" that he wanted to invade UPON inaugeration, no Any scholl child knows this. Ask Ambassador Wilson or Secretary O'Niel. You could also ask General Ramsay Clark. Hmmm...

 

[Billsworld]

There might have been a situation where an invasion of Iraq may have been appropriate, but none of them existed for the BushCo's. Thererfore, why engage in hypotheticals when there are real reasons for these traitors and thugs to be impeached, (other than for you to avoid the subject)?

What if Iraq were involved in state sponsored terrorism?

 

[Wurm]

What if Iraq were involved in state sponsored terrorism?

If that's all the justification you need, why then hasn't the U.S. invaded any number of other countries first, before Iraq? It is well established that SH was not generally engaged in state-sponsored terrorism.

Answer: Iraq has the 2nd-largest known oil reserves in the world, behind Saudi Arabia.

The Bushies wanted Iraq well before the election of 2000. There is plenty of evidence to prove it. They have shown that there is no act too heinous that they will commit in order to keep the control of Iraq's oil.

 

[Billsworld]

If that's all the justification you need, why then hasn't the U.S. invaded any number of other countries first, before Iraq? It is well established that SH was not generally engaged in state-sponsored terrorism.

Answer: Iraq has the 2nd-largest known oil reserves in the world, behind Saudi Arabia.

The Bushies wanted Iraq well before the election of 2000. There is plenty of evidence to prove it. They have shown that there is no act too heinous that they will commit in order to keep the control of Iraq's oil.

SH openly sponsored suicide bombing in Isreal. Had been warm and fuzzy with Bin laden as well. Frankly , I would much rather have had better controll over the borders, had been alot further along with alternative energy by now, and let the entire Mid East rot. (sans Isreal) No one , including Clinton and "Green Al" have done a damn thing in those two areas. Clinton gutted the CIA, taking agents out of the field, did nothing about the Cole bombing or any other.Not to mention selling nuclear secrets to commies in asia. As I said before , if you were balanced in your arguments of both parties, I could listen to some of your left wing rants. Your just a left wing radical out bashing W. You sound like Farakan saying they blew up the levy to flood the black side of town. There is so much blame on both sides of the isle for every problem in our country. Do yourself a favor stop drinking the cool aid

 

[Wurm]

SH openly sponsored suicide bombing in Isreal. Had been warm and fuzzy with Bin laden as well. No one , including Clinton and "Green Al" have done a damn thing in those two areas. Clinton gutted the CIA, taking agents out of the field, did nothing about the Cole bombing or any other.Not to mention selling nuclear secrets to commies in asia.

More "Tales From the Loop of Delusion", eh Bill? That is the biggest load of **** I've heard in awhile, LOL! but it doesn't surprise me that you're spewing it because they're exactly the lies that the Right Wing echo chamber has been putting out for 4 years now.

To quote a famous wabbit: "What a maroon!"

I don't suppose you remember the BushCo's (finally) admitting that SH/Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? It is well established that SH and OBL were on diffferent parts of the ideological Muslim spectrum, and did not collaborate. SH was too busy being the dictator of Iraq, and OBL was too busy hating the Saudi's for letting the U.S. military stay in Saudi Arabia after the '91 Gulf War.

The only one that was warm & fuzzy with SH was Rummy back in the '80s.

As for Clinton, his Nat'l Sec. Advisor Sandy Berger and others stayed during the transition in '01 to fully brief the BushCo's on the danger of OBL. The Dems repeatedly told them they believed OBL/AQ was the biggest terrorist threat extant.

But the Monkey Man had other plans...like making sure 9/11 occured without any hitches.

 

[Julian Radowsky]

If it was ok to attempt to impeach Bill Clinton when he just f*cked one woman, then it MUST be ok to impeach George W Bush when he f*cks the whole damn country.