Will Cipo be able to beat Petacchi?

[Colin Campbell]

Does anyone think that Super Mario will come to the Vuelta with the condition required to top
Alessandro? (Does Petacchi have a nickname yet, by the way?)

Is the Lion King history?

I thought that at the Giro, Cipollini was coming into top shape, and was again competitive with
Petacchi when the "terminator" stage occurred, and he went down. I never did hear whether his
injuries were at all serious. He sure looked as if he went into the barriers harder than Ullrich did
in the time trial.

 

[lazysegall]

Originally posted by Colin Campbell
Does anyone think that Super Mario will come to the Vuelta with the condition required to top
Alessandro? (Does Petacchi have a nickname yet, by the way?)

Is the Lion King history?

I thought that at the Giro, Cipollini was coming into top shape, and was again competitive with
Petacchi when the "terminator" stage occurred, and he went down. I never did hear whether his
injuries were at all serious. He sure looked as if he went into the barriers harder than Ullrich did
in the time trial. [/QUOTE

At the begining of the Giro, I thought Cipo was done. By the end of the giro, Cipo was coming in to form, however. More importantly, Cipo may have gotten beat by Petacchi, but Cipo was a lot closer to Petacchi than any of the sprinters in the TDF were. Personally, I think that Cipo will be in terrible shape. He will get dropped on anything that even resembles an ant hill. If he gets a leadout he could be ok, but Petacchi's top end is higher.

 

[Kurgan Gringion]

"lazysegall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Originally posted by Colin Campbell Does anyone think that Super Mario will come to the Vuelta
> with the condition required to top Alessandro? (Does Petacchi have a nickname yet, by the way?)
>
> Is the Lion King history?
>
> I thought that at the Giro, Cipollini was coming into top shape, and was again competitive with
> Petacchi when the "terminator" stage occurred, and he went down. I never did hear whether his
> injuries were at all serious. He sure looked as if he went into the barriers harder than Ullrich
> did in the time trial. [/QUOTE
>
> At the begining of the Giro, I thought Cipo was done. By the end of the giro, Cipo was coming in
> to form, however. More importantly, Cipo may have gotten beat by Petacchi, but Cipo was a lot
> closer to Petacchi than any of the sprinters in the TDF were.

That's not surprising. The Lion Queen has an entire team dedicated toward conserving his energy
during the race and giving him a leadout at the end.

Petacchi had to fight the other sprinters for position, then come around The Lion Queen.

 

[lazysegall]

Originally posted by Kurgan Gringion
"lazysegall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Originally posted by Colin Campbell Does anyone think that Super Mario will come to the Vuelta
> with the condition required to top Alessandro? (Does Petacchi have a nickname yet, by the way?)
>
> Is the Lion King history?
>
> I thought that at the Giro, Cipollini was coming into top shape, and was again competitive with
> Petacchi when the "terminator" stage occurred, and he went down. I never did hear whether his
> injuries were at all serious. He sure looked as if he went into the barriers harder than Ullrich
> did in the time trial. [/QUOTE
>
> At the begining of the Giro, I thought Cipo was done. By the end of the giro, Cipo was coming in
> to form, however. More importantly, Cipo may have gotten beat by Petacchi, but Cipo was a lot
> closer to Petacchi than any of the sprinters in the TDF were.

That's not surprising. The Lion Queen has an entire team dedicated toward conserving his energy
during the race and giving him a leadout at the end.

Petacchi had to fight the other sprinters for position, then come around The Lion Queen.

He will still have his escort in the vuelta.

 

[Kurgan Gringion]

"lazysegall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Kurgan Gringion wrote:
> > "lazysegall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > [email protected]:[email protected]...
> > > Originally posted by Colin Campbell Does anyone think that Super
Mario
> > > will come to the Vuelta with the condition required to top
Alessandro?
> > > (Does Petacchi have a nickname yet, by the way?)
> > >
> > > Is the Lion King history?
> > >
> > > I thought that at the Giro, Cipollini was coming into top shape, and was again competitive
> > > with Petacchi when the "terminator" stage occurred, and he went down. I never did hear
> > > whether his injuries
were
> > > at all serious. He sure looked as if he went into the barriers harder than Ullrich did in
> > > the time trial. [/QUOTE
> > >
> > > At the begining of the Giro, I thought Cipo was done. By the end of the giro, Cipo was
> > > coming in to form, however. More importantly, Cipo may have gotten beat by Petacchi, but
> > > Cipo was a lot closer to Petacchi than any of the sprinters in the TDF were.
> > That's not surprising. The Lion Queen has an entire team dedicated toward conserving his
> > energy during the race and giving him a leadout at the end. Petacchi had to fight the other
> > sprinters for position, then come
around
> > The Lion Queen.
>
>
>
> He will still have his escort in the vuelta.

the point is that is why Cipo did better than the other sprinters.

This year, it doesn't seem like he's better. How about that race where Friere pipped him at the line
after he threw up his hands? That didn't used to happen to him, because he has so much power
relative to everyone else. His time may be over - we'll find out next year.

 

[Nick Burns]

"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>
> the point is that is why Cipo did better than the other sprinters.
>
> This year, it doesn't seem like he's better. How about that race where
Friere
> pipped him at the line after he threw up his hands? That didn't used to happen to him, because he
> has so much power relative to everyone else. His time may be over - we'll find out next year.

Is that the point? I do not think so. How many sprinters can you name with a better palmares?

Thanks

 

[Benjamin Weiner]

Whiney *****y Disease appears to have infected everyone as the season winds down. And Cipo, and the
Vuelta organizers. Last year Giovanni Lombardi won a good Vuelta stage after Cipo dropped out.
Frequently that would be enough to bring the team back - every time some marginal French team wins a
TdF stage, it gets them an invite for next year. The Vuelta organizers played brinkmanship to make
sure Cipo would show.

BTW, Petacchi would have finished the Giro this year but for getting time-cut, and he finished the
Vuelta last year. Yes, that means he climbed the Angliru. I don't know how many team cars he had to
hang on to do it, but he did.

 

[Kurgan Gringion]

"Nick Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >
> > the point is that is why Cipo did better than the other sprinters.
> >
> > This year, it doesn't seem like he's better. How about that race where
> Friere
> > pipped him at the line after he threw up his hands? That didn't used to happen to him, because
> > he has so much power relative to everyone else.
His
> > time may be over - we'll find out next year.
>
> Is that the point? I do not think so. How many sprinters can you name with
a
> better palmares?

Dumbass -

I'm talking this year.

This year, The Lion Queen is way, way off his previous self. The only reason he's looked better vs.
Petacchi than the other sprinters is his leadout train.

 

[Howard Kveck]

In article <[email protected]>, "Kurgan Gringioni"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> This year, it doesn't seem like he's better. How about that race where Friere pipped him at the
> line after he threw up his hands? That didn't used to happen to him, because he has so much power
> relative to everyone else. His time may be over - we'll find out next year.

He did renew his contract for two more years, as per:
<http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/sep03/sep04news>, so if he's lost it, then it's gonna
be a long couple of years. Cipo does not seem to be projecting the same hyper-confident attitude
he has in the past.

--
tanx, Howard

"Head of a cat, body of a monkey, Here comes a plague upon the land." The Billy Nayer Show

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

 

[Howard Kveck]

In article <[email protected]>, Benjamin Weiner <[email protected]> wrote:

> Whiney *****y Disease appears to have infected everyone as the season winds down. And Cipo, and
> the Vuelta organizers. Last year Giovanni Lombardi won a good Vuelta stage after Cipo dropped out.
> Frequently that would be enough to bring the team back - every time some marginal French team wins
> a TdF stage, it gets them an invite for next year.

Simply being a French team is usually enough to get an invitation to the TdF, but you are
correct: a stage win increases the likelyhood dramatically.

--
tanx, Howard

"Head of a cat, body of a monkey, Here comes a plague upon the land." The Billy Nayer Show

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

 

[Tom Kunich]

There's no doubt about it that Petacchi is the next Cipo. But first Cipo will have to move aside and
he ain't about to do that. It ought to be an exciting couple of years as Petacchi discovers that
Cipo will be as fast as he is and the deciding point will be the leadout and/or the guy with the
most cunning.

So, how many spring classics has Petachi won?

"Howard Kveck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> > This year, it doesn't seem like he's better. How about that race
where Friere
> > pipped him at the line after he threw up his hands? That didn't
used to
> > happen to him, because he has so much power relative to everyone
else. His
> > time may be over - we'll find out next year.
>
> He did renew his contract for two more years, as per:
> <http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/sep03/sep04news>, so if
he's lost it,
> then it's gonna be a long couple of years. Cipo does not seem to be
projecting
> the same hyper-confident attitude he has in the past.
>
> --
> tanx, Howard
>
> "Head of a cat, body of a monkey, Here comes a plague upon the
land."
> The Billy Nayer Show
>
> remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

 

[Nick Burns]

"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> Dumbass -
>
> I'm talking this year.
>
> This year, The Lion Queen is way, way off his previous self. The only
reason
> he's looked better vs. Petacchi than the other sprinters is his leadout train.

Dumbass,

So what? My point was that put any other sprinter next to him and look at longevity. The guy has
been winning sprints for close to 2 decades. Most sprinters peak for a few years. The great might
win sprints for ten years. Cipo was his 41st and 42nd Giro sprints while 37 years old. That is
impressive. You may not be impressed, but you are obviously biased to the point of making your
opinion irrelevant.

 

[Howard Kveck]

In article <[email protected]>, "Tom Kunich"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> There's no doubt about it that Petacchi is the next Cipo. But first Cipo will have to move aside
> and he ain't about to do that. It ought to be an exciting couple of years as Petacchi discovers
> that Cipo will be as fast as he is and the deciding point will be the leadout and/or the guy with
> the most cunning.

True, Cipo will not move aside willingly. The point I was making is that, based on his results
for the year, his time -may- be over now (as noted by Henry). Who knows, he may come back as
strong as ever next year. He always used to just ooze confidence - something that I haven't seen
much this year. I don't remember him just throwing in the towel mid-sprint like this:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/giro03/?id=results/stage6 Petacchi still has time to develop
further as a rider.

--
tanx, Howard

"Head of a cat, body of a monkey, Here comes a plague upon the land." The Billy Nayer Show

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

 

[Kurgan Gringion]

"Nick Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > I'm talking this year.
> >
> > This year, The Lion Queen is way, way off his previous self. The only
> reason
> > he's looked better vs. Petacchi than the other sprinters is his leadout train.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> So what? My point was that put any other sprinter next to him and look at longevity.

Dumbass -

The poster I originally responded to talked about how at the Giro "Cipo was closer to Petacchi than
any of the sprinters in the TDF were".

You came in in the middle and are trying to make a straw man.

 

[Nick Burns]

"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> Dumbass -
>
> The poster I originally responded to talked about how at the Giro "Cipo
was
> closer to Petacchi than any of the sprinters in the TDF were".
>
> You came in in the middle and are trying to make a straw man.

You can call it "a straw man" but I am responding to your persistent exaggeration WRT Cipo, simply
because you don't care for him.

 

[Bruce]

Cipo won.

Petacchi pulled out only 3km into stage one TTT. Mario finished but didn't start stage 2.

So Mario won.

-Bruce

 

[Jeff Jones]

"Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Cipo won.
>
> Petacchi pulled out only 3km into stage one TTT. Mario finished but
didn't
> start stage 2.
>
> So Mario won.
>
Petacchi's still in the race. Quaranta pulled out 3 km into the TTT, but that was no
surprise either.

Everyone, including the organisers, knew that Cipo was going to pull out early. Strange that the
organisers made such a fuss over it. Maybe Perdiguero, Scarponi or Lombardi will win a stage now.

Jeff

 

[Bruce]

oops.

-Bruce

"Jeff Jones" <jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > Cipo won.
> >
> > Petacchi pulled out only 3km into stage one TTT. Mario finished but
> didn't
> > start stage 2.
> >
> > So Mario won.
> >
> Petacchi's still in the race. Quaranta pulled out 3 km into the TTT, but that was no
> surprise either.
>
> Everyone, including the organisers, knew that Cipo was going to pull out early. Strange that the
> organisers made such a fuss over it. Maybe Perdiguero, Scarponi or Lombardi will win a stage now.
>
> Jeff

 

[Steven L. Sheff]

On 09/07/2003 02:51 PM, in article [email protected], "Bruce"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Cipo won.
>
> Petacchi pulled out only 3km into stage one TTT. Mario finished but didn't start stage 2.

No ... QUARANTA pulled out 3km into the stage one TTT.

> So Mario won.
>
> -Bruce
>
>

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[Kurgan Gringion]

"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BB811B25.D1B7%[email protected]...
> On 09/07/2003 02:51 PM, in article [email protected], "Bruce"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Cipo won.
> >
> > Petacchi pulled out only 3km into stage one TTT. Mario finished but
didn't
> > start stage 2.
>
>
> No ... QUARANTA pulled out 3km into the stage one TTT.

Goddamm, Bruce has his head up his ass.