WSD vs Men's bikes

Discussion in 'Women's Cycling' started by lleenn, Jun 14, 2004.

  1. new2bikes

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    lleenn, I'd love to know how your 47 WSD Trek worked out. Like you, I'm only 5'0" tall with a 70 cm inseam, bare feet - floor to crotch, and a total arm length of 52 cm shoulder to the web between my thumb and forefinger. I've been trying to find a bike for the past month, and am frustrated with how few small higher end bikes are carried by most bike stores. The only two I can find (in carbon) are the Trek 5000 WSD (which I think I love) and the Giant OCR Comp. 2. The 5000 Trek's smallest size is a 47 and I think it fits (I bet a 45 would have been perfect. Alas, it doesn't come in that size). The top tube is 19.6 inches - is it the same on yours? Do you feel stretched out a little, or did you adjust after a short time and maybe a stem change? The Giant is a 43 with a 20.2 inch top tube. I wanted to look at the Bianchi Vigorelli (steel/carbon) in a 44 (not women specific) and the LeMond Croix de Fer (women specific), BUT NO ONE IS WILLING TO STOCK THEM WITHOUT A SPECIAL ORDER!
    Anyone else with similar measurements and a 47 WSD Trek out there? How's it feel? Are you happy with it? Thanks, in advance, for any advice and for sharing your experience with me.
     


  2. Oran

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    Just buy the frame for your size and get the rest buit around you so that you are aerodynamic and comfortable. Look up bike fit on the net on google and I am sure a specialised bike shop will come up.
     
  3. Txcyn

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    I have a trek 2100wsd 47C. I am 5'3/4" and it fits perfectly. I recently changed the seat to a terry butterfly. I love the set up. I do not feel stretched out at all. I like the adj shifters because of my small hands. I am not sure if the other bikes you are looking at have them.

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  4. otherworld

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    Have a look at the 2005 Giant OCR zero in the x-small size. My lady has just purchased one of these and loves it. She is petite and with a shorter torso as are many women. The Giant actually has a 50cm top tube which is shorter than the trek so called ws model and others as well. It's also RED and not some puky powder blue or lilac. In fact I think it might be the shortest frame commercially available. It has a very low stand-over height but can still fit two bottles inside the frame. It also has 700c wheels. Don't get into 650c wheels as you will be limiting tyre options and convenience. Make sure you get a compact frame as this type will give you a low enough stand-over hight ie. you will be able to stand over the bike with both feet on the ground. The points about smaller brake levers and shorter cranks are valid (particularly the cranks) but not as important as having a frame that you can fit into. (My lady has never bothered with other than standard cranks and levers etc.) The OCR zero fits the 700c wheels and still provides clearance for your feet by having a bit more angle on the head tube. Some will tell you this makes the bike less responsive in a race situation but unless you are Robbie McEwan and anticipate contesting a lot of full-on bunch sprints you probably won't care and you'll have a bike that rides well. Having carbon forks, rear stays and seat post provides a good ride and helps with the stiffness of the alloy frame. If comfort and road vibration become an issue get wheels with low profile rims and crossed spoke patterns. There is a fashion for deep section rims and radial spokes at the moment but these give a harsher ride. At your weight you also don't need 120psi in your tyres. 90-100 will be enough and will be more comfortable also.

    Good Luck Jay.
     
  5. Txcyn

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    The Giant XSmall (currently have a giant cypress hybrid for neighborhood riding) is 52C. I went to local shop that had sizing bicycle and was told I needed no larger than 47C. I had a 50C compact road bike with the top bar slanted. It was way to big for me. I have barely a 28 inch inseam. I compared many bikes and the Trek 2100wsd had the 165 cranks and adj shifters. The 650C tires do not seem to be a problem. I have 1 tube for spare, decided if I have 2 flats on one outing, time for me to go home. Because of my size and weight, flats so far are not a problem. Husband at 6' and 200# has had many flats. I only have had one. I was drafting and rode into a brick. My bike is Red and White. The 5000wsd is black and blue. Looks good. Most important, get sized. Good Luck!!! Cyn :)

     
  6. new2bikes

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    Thanks,Txcyn. :) I've accepted the fact that I'm going to need the 650 tires. I tried riding a Specialized in a 43cm with 700 wheels. I just didn't have the control that I had with the Trek. They have the same length top tubes even though the Specialized is a smaller bike - in order, apparently, to accommodate the 700 wheels. Other than those bikes and one Giant OCR Comp 2 (Giant's having production problems), I haven't found anything else out there to test ride at my price point(and I've been to LOTS of places), but I'm getting closer to going with the Trek. You have 3/4 of an inch more height than I do, but I have about an inch of clearance on the 47. And, even though I would never buy a bike based on color, I love the color! The reach felt better than it did the first time or two - maybe because I've test ridden it a number of times and am getting used to the feel of a road bike. Are the 650 tubes easily available? How expensive are they?

    I might as well ask you - since you sound about my size - what type of pedals and shoes did you get? I appreciate your input. Thanks.
     
  7. new2bikes

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    Thanks for your input, Jay. I tried the Giant, and it was okay, but I think the Trek may work better. I have the Giant catalog in front of me. The 2005 OCR in an XS has a 42 cm frame with a 20.1 inch top tube, or 51 cm. The OCR Composite has a 43 cm frame with a 20.2 inch top tube, slightly longer. Trek's 47cm size has a 19.6 inch top tube, or 49.78cm and the Trek 43 cm has a 19.1 inch top tube, or 48.5 cm.
     
  8. new2bikes

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    Cyn, one more thing. I think you're right about the brake levers / shifters. Without the short reach levers, I'd have to stop by smashing into something. With small hands, having the levers closer to the bars is especially helpful.
     
  9. tjocesq

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    sorry to jump in...sounds like a good discussion here and I am also a short rider (5ft2 3/4 in.). I ended up getting a frame that fit and custom building w/research I have done. (I had the expendable income a few years ago). I used to ride an aluminum frame w/carbon fork but still felt my teeth chattering at 50 miles. Now ride a steel frame and it is a much smoother ride.
    with triathalons being more popular it seems that the 650 tubes are more readily available and the same price as the 700 counterparts.
    Also, I heard that Terry makes good bikes for short riders.
    with that said--I understand Bianchi also has a great wsd that includes handlebars w/a more shallow drop and shorter reach. Anyone have any experience with the bianchi? A woman I ride with is in the market--I told her about this forum and hopefully she'll join.

    Thanks for letting me jump in!
     
  10. new2bikes

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    Hi. The more input, the better. Bianchi does have a few models that come in a 44cm and a 49 cm. One is the Vigorelli; it's not their WSD but the 44 comes with women's handlebars and it's got Ultegra components. I think their WSD is the Eros Donna; you can find out more on www.bianchiusa.com. The difficulty I've had is finding anything other than Trek, Specialized, and one Giant bike to test ride. No LeMond, no Bianchi, no Felt, etc. It seems that the higher you go in quality, the fewer small bikes (under 50cm) are out there. I've been to stores from Santa Monica to Northern San Diego and they just don't carry many high quality small women's rode bikes. Besides Terry, Luna Cycles, owned and operated by a woman bike builder, makes bikes specifically for women. She's on-line, too.
     
  11. tjocesq

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    Re: trying to find small bikes in stock: how true! It is very difficult to find under 50cm bikes to test ride. By the time I was able to pick out and purchase my bike--I had ridden long enough to know what I needed. I have a mid to long torso so it wasn't as difficult. I ride a 49cm with a 50(or 51?) top tube and am most comfortable using a 115 cm stem.
    It is the eros donna that another rider I know rides.
    Unfortunately, the lbs I used to deal with went out of business--they would stock under 50cm bicycles to test ride.

    anyone else have the same teeth chattering experience w/aluminum despite using a carbon fork?
     
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    i have a litespeed bella in a 49. i love it i rave about my bike and all my friend want to ride it. but its a great fitting womens bike. heres another question though i bought my bike off ebay and when i got it i didn't take it in to a shop to be put together or figure out seat hieght and stuff---how important is that? (I felt gulity that i didn't by from the lbs where i road the bike originally.)
     
  13. new2bikes

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    Thanks to everyone for your input. :) I finally settled on the Trek 5000, and I can't wait 'til it gets here. Turns out it was the last one available at this time in my size in the entire US (via the company) - coming to CA from Wisconsin. It must be fate.
     
  14. tjocesq

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    congrats! btw: what size?
     
  15. Txcyn

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    CONGRATS!!!! 47C? Let me know when you get it.
    Cyn

     
  16. new2bikes

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    Yep. The 47cm. It'll be a couple of weeks before it arrives because the owner of the bike shop where I bought it will be out of town when it gets to his store. He wants to put it together himself - but it's worth the wait - he's a former Tour de France mechanic. I figure he knows what he's doing. Fill you in when it gets here. Thanks again for all your advice.
     
  17. tjocesq

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    just curious--how will it be spec'd out?
     
  18. new2bikes

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    So here's where my being "new2bikes" comes in. I don't know enough yet to understand exactly what you're asking. :eek: Although I know a heck of a lot more than I did when I started looking for a bike, and I can tell you all the spec details as stated by the manufacturer. Are you asking how my LBS will adjust those specs to fit me appropriately? Or which saddle, what size stem, etc.? If you tell me how yours is spec'd out, then I'll know how to answer you. In any event, I'll probably have to answer after I've spoken to the guy at my LBS -when he gets back to the states.
     
  19. tjocesq

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    for ex: I ride a 49cm colnago; the specs: campagnolo chorus groupo; campagnolo proton wheels.
    People add more, like what type of saddle, handle bar, stem, seatpost, tires, etc. for me, saddles are personal choice, I chose my handlebar based on the shallow drop (being short and all!) and seatpost, well--an added bonus if one was special ordered. Having ridden for a long time--this last bike I chose every component based on the type of riding I have done and how I am aging :) (my bike is a steel frame, the seatpost is carbon...this is the last bike I think I will ever buy).

    I apologize--I wasn't clear--what groupo and wheels?
    You definately got an awesome frame and so glad to hear it is made in a small size!
     
  20. new2bikes

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    Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. It's got an Ultegra/105 mix with Bontrager Race Lite wheels. So far I'm not unhappy with the stock saddle - Bongrager Select Women's; I imagine there are more comfortable saddles, but this one seems all right for now. The bike is all carbon and I've kept everything just as it came from the company. I may change things as I develop as a rider (postive thinking) but right now I'm happy with it just the way it is.

    Thanks for the positive words and encouragement. :)
     
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