wtf is Q factor



dan de man wrote:
>
> yeah title says it all



Yes it does, thanx.

It's got to do with the angle with which a crank points away from the
wheel.

Here are two threads with discussions on q-factor.
'Thread 1' (http://tinyurl.com/b6qsg)
'Thread 2' (http://tinyurl.com/9ef3e)


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ie. Perfectly perpendicular to the axle.


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Q-factor, in practical terms, is how far apart your feet end up (along
the axle, that is) when you are riding. It's produced mostly by the
hub, axle, cranks, pedals, and even your footwear, though in some cases
your saddle and clothing can contribute.

Each part of the above contributes to Q-factor, but the easiest one to
think about is the cranks. Even straight cranks contribute to Q-factor
because they position your feet further out from the midline of the
wheel. Angled cranks simply position them further out than straight
cranks.

In unicycling, the width of the hub and bearings/bearing holders also
contribute to Q, and can make a difference in both riding comfort and
the actual power the unicyclist can derive during riding. These
effects are not absolute, but relative to the rider's physical
dimensions and riding style.

The rider's dimensions such as hip width, length and angle of each part
of his/her legs, degree and direction of pronation and splay footing,
all interact with the unicycle's Q-factor, and for optimal performance,
the two should be matched as well as possible. Typically these days
those factors are ignored, or sometimes an individual rider will
experiment some on his/her own. Most unicycle equipment does not
permit a lot of variation in Q-factor, though that situation is slowly
changing.

However, distance riders (especially) should be aware that the many
100s of thousands of revolutions they do (order of magnitude courtesy
of Andy Cotter) are affected by Q-factor's interaction with their
personal body characteristics, and may derive substantial benefit by
working with different crank angles, hub widths, saddles, and pedal
types.


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The unicycle rolls on a narrow strip of tyre. Even on a fat tyre, the
contact patch is only a couple of centimetres wide on flat ground.

The pedals are some distance to each side of this contact patch.

The Q factor is this distance.

Why does it matter?

Because the weight of the crank, pedal and foot (and leg) adds up to
quite a lot, and the pedal is "orbiting" the axle. "Centrifugal force"
(yes, I know, but we all know what it means) means that the pedal is
constantly pulling away from the axle. The heavier the pedal and the
faster the rpm, the more it pulls.

So, the further out from the contact patch the pedal is, the longer the
lever (the axle) it is pulling on, so the more it affects the
steering.

Think about this: if the right pedal is pulling the right hand end of
the axle one way, then the left pedal is paulling the left hand end of
the axle in exactly the opposite direction.

For a simple demonstration of the effect, hold your uni up by the seat,
then spin the wheel hard with your other hand. The uni will wobble
jerkily from side to side in time with the rotation of the wheel.

If (for the sake of demonstration) you removed the cranks and pedals
and repeated the experiment, the uni would NOT wobble jerkily from side
to side.

Now, if you increase the Q factor, the degree of jerky wobbling will
increase. if you reduce the Q factor, the degree of jerky wobbling
will increase.

When you are riding, you may not notice the effect except at very high
speeds, but nevertheless it is there, and you are using energy to
compensate for it.

On the other hand, a high Q factor is good for steering, especially
with a large wheel.

Like everything in unicycling, it's a compromise.


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As I mentioned in another thread, Q factor is *not* whether the cranks
are angled or not; it's the distance between the foot platforms of the
pedals. A wide hub with straight cranks can have a larger Q-factor
than a narrow hub with angled cranks.


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