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spindrift
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Matt B wrote:
> spindrift wrote:
> > Matt B wrote:
> >
> > "We see the exact opposite at Seven Dials in London, where there are no
> > lines, signs, or signals. Cars, lorries, taxis stop half-way round the
> > roundabout to wait for cyclists or pedestrians taking the shortest
> > route
> > across the junction, or taking photos, or talking."
> >
> > You've clearly never negotiated this roundabout by bike.
> > This junction
> > is a nightmare, cars and vans edge out
>
> Ah, "edge out".
>
> > and block the roundabout so that
> > you have to slam your brakes on in the middle of the roundabout.
>
> Not if you use it with the same respect as the motorists and "edge out"
> yourself.
>
> > There
> > is anarchy at this roundabout,
>
> That is the idea.
>
> > no driver takes a blind bit of notice of
> > cyclists
>
> Respect is mutual. If a yob pushes past you as a pedestrian would you
> not treat him with contempt. I have seen taxis and lorries waiting
> whilst a tourist photographed his partner posing in the middle of the
> road in front of the monument on the roundabout. No aggression was
> displayed. I've observed cyclists crossing that junction - most do it
> cautiously, some go around the roundabout the 'wrong' way, I've never
> seen a problem. I've seen a disrespectful cyclist zooming across with
> no regard for other users - zig-zagging between stationary taxis and
> chatting pedestrians - but he was tolerated as a typical high-spirited
> asbo candidate.
>
> > here and accidents are common,
>
> Can you cite sources? Are they more common and more (or less) serious
> than at a similar junction with conventional traffic management?
>
> > including the florist's van
> > that sideswiped me.
>
> Did you report it? Was it your or their 'fault'? Have you ever been
> involved in a similar, or worse, incident elsewhere?
>
> --
> Matt B
Nice equation of cyclists with yobs there.
You plainly don't cycle and you have no idea what cycling is like at
this roundabout.
You are told that a van pulls out in front of a cyclist who has right
of way and you ask if the cyclist is at fault.
You are a gibbering idiot, a trenchant buffoon and an irredeemable
dickcheese.
> spindrift wrote:
> > Matt B wrote:
> >
> > "We see the exact opposite at Seven Dials in London, where there are no
> > lines, signs, or signals. Cars, lorries, taxis stop half-way round the
> > roundabout to wait for cyclists or pedestrians taking the shortest
> > route
> > across the junction, or taking photos, or talking."
> >
> > You've clearly never negotiated this roundabout by bike.
> > This junction
> > is a nightmare, cars and vans edge out
>
> Ah, "edge out".
>
> > and block the roundabout so that
> > you have to slam your brakes on in the middle of the roundabout.
>
> Not if you use it with the same respect as the motorists and "edge out"
> yourself.
>
> > There
> > is anarchy at this roundabout,
>
> That is the idea.
>
> > no driver takes a blind bit of notice of
> > cyclists
>
> Respect is mutual. If a yob pushes past you as a pedestrian would you
> not treat him with contempt. I have seen taxis and lorries waiting
> whilst a tourist photographed his partner posing in the middle of the
> road in front of the monument on the roundabout. No aggression was
> displayed. I've observed cyclists crossing that junction - most do it
> cautiously, some go around the roundabout the 'wrong' way, I've never
> seen a problem. I've seen a disrespectful cyclist zooming across with
> no regard for other users - zig-zagging between stationary taxis and
> chatting pedestrians - but he was tolerated as a typical high-spirited
> asbo candidate.
>
> > here and accidents are common,
>
> Can you cite sources? Are they more common and more (or less) serious
> than at a similar junction with conventional traffic management?
>
> > including the florist's van
> > that sideswiped me.
>
> Did you report it? Was it your or their 'fault'? Have you ever been
> involved in a similar, or worse, incident elsewhere?
>
> --
> Matt B
Nice equation of cyclists with yobs there.
You plainly don't cycle and you have no idea what cycling is like at
this roundabout.
You are told that a van pulls out in front of a cyclist who has right
of way and you ask if the cyclist is at fault.
You are a gibbering idiot, a trenchant buffoon and an irredeemable
dickcheese.