I don't remember what my saddle was exactly, but it was the same one that the man i bought is from used from oregon to florida. It isn't bad but i do get sore after 20 miles, so I would like to fix that. From what i have read and hear Brooks is the way to go, with no respectable alternatives. I think i have settled for the great old B17. Most people laugh at me when i tell them how much i have invested into cycling, then i ask them their weekly gas bill, and i chuckle to myself.