I'm really confused how there is such a wide range of power output here. I'm putting out about 140 W at this speed, I'm about 92 Kg /190lbs (at about 52x15 -- I think this is about the gear I'm using, not sure of the rear cog but its one either way of 15)allanw said:Your Avg Pwr @ 20-22mph Flat
HOW DO YOU WORK OUT POWER AND WATTS,?? WHAT DO YOU USEDanP said:Excellent question, I'm also around 140 / 150, really curious as to what factors play a role for those folks putting those high numbers.
200w would wear me out too quickly over distance, but I'm not particularly fit.
Results arnt always consistant from one unit to another, its well known that polar's give pretty wild results when they're not setup properly. It would be interesting to know what power meters everyones using to get these readings.jon_stewart said:I'm really confused how there is such a wide range of power output here. I'm putting out about 140 W at this speed, I'm about 92 Kg /190lbs (at about 52x15 -- I think this is about the gear I'm using, not sure of the rear cog but its one either way of 15)
Can someone explain why, apart from weight, there should be such a large variation in power output at a given speed.
closesupport said:HOW DO YOU WORK OUT POWER AND WATTS,?? WHAT DO YOU USE
are you using a powertap or SRM?jon_stewart said:I'm really confused how there is such a wide range of power output here. I'm putting out about 140 W at this speed, I'm about 92 Kg /190lbs (at about 52x15 -- I think this is about the gear I'm using, not sure of the rear cog but its one either way of 15)
Can someone explain why, apart from weight, there should be such a large variation in power output at a given speed.
Thanks in advance
velomanct said:are you using a powertap or SRM?
i use a powertap pro and it takes about 220watts on flat road with no wind to go 21mph. i'm 6'2 175lbs. i ride a cdale road bike, typical racer setup. (32spoke open pro wheels) i did a TT with no aero gear at 24.5mph average over 8 miles of rolling main highway type roads, out and back, 10mph headwind one direction. average power was 335watts.
i have tested my powermeter, and the torque is zeroed, so it is accurate.
i don't know how at 190lbs, you can go 21mph at only 140watts. either your powermeter is off, or you had a tailwind or slight downhill.
DanP said:As I think more about this question it appears that it doesn't make complete sense after all.
A given bike in a given environment would require n watts to maintain a given speed, the rider's only say would be in the gear chosen (I think).
If so it'd be interesting if there was such a thing as a "spec" bike and a table of watts required in each different gear.
Or maybe I'm just confusing myself some more.
BlueIcarus said:Hey, couldn't imagine you didn't know this page:
http://www.analyticcycling.com/ForcesPower_Page.html
So, for a 85 kg (75 rider+ 10 bike) rider, at 9.5 m/s (21 mph) the power is 163.1 Watts
for a 130 kg (rider+bike), same speed: 179.8 Watts
(for an asphalt road both)
So, I guess everyone results must be between 160 and 180 Watts
ric_stern/RST said:The analytic site is great... however, you can't draw the conclusion you made above (160 - 180 W), simply because the power depends on CdA and environmental conditions, which can be difficult to estimate.
ric
BlueIcarus said:I only wanted to stress that at the flats, power is near independent of the weight and put a reasonable
expected power range to rule out the 200-250 W range and below 150 W range.
ric_stern/RST said:no, this is the point i'm countering against. simply, we don't know people's CdA and at ~ 9.5 m/s 200 - 250 W is very entirely likely depending on the conditions and bike and equipment. for instance, when training on a road bike at that ~ velocity i need to produce around 220 W and i'm only averaged size (1.75 m and 68 kg), with a good bike position.
ric
BlueIcarus said:Ok. Didn't knew this coefficient have such a huge influence on the wattage. I supose then my road
has the average friction, my position on the bike, frame, rolling resistance and wind condition must be the ones the software is expecting, b/c at the cycloergometer with same power, it seems the same RPE and same HR. But you have measured this directly, so I have nothing more to say
what do i need to measure power output?ric_stern/RST said:CdA has the biggest influence on power at the flat as >90% of the energy we use to power our bikes on the flat is used to overcome air drag. At velocities of 20 km/hr and greater the majority of the work done is used to overcome air drag.
it's highly unlikely that your road position (assuming you mean you have a standard type road bike) is anywhere near the default setting on analytic cycling, as a CdA of 0.25 m^2 (the default setting is a reasonable TT position with e.g., disc wheel).
You can't compare HR from the road to the indoor trainer as environmental and topographical conditions alter it at a given work load. additionally, if you aren't using a power meter such as e.g., Power Tap or SRM, then your data is likely to be wrong.
A reasonably accurate way of estimating power output if you don't know your CdA (and you'd really have to gone to a wind tunnel to get that figure) is to ride up a steep hill, where your velocity is minimised (i.e., < 15 - 20 km/hr) and that you can ride steady up for several minutes. if you know the grade or vertical gain of the climb and distance and your bike mass, your mass, and your bike kit, then you can use analytic to gain some insight into your power.
ric
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