Your opinion please...



Originally posted by edd

I've seen people jump out of the saddle for maybe three strokes, then sit right back down again. Are they confused or do they just want to be on both sides of this debate ?

Obviously I must be confused - I sometimes will jump out of the saddle for those three or four strokes and sit right back down - my god - how do I keep riding?

Of course, your second option could be correct also. I am taking that Fence Sitting 101 class in college. It must be rubbing off on me, even though I didn't know that this debate was going on. I tried for Underwater Basket Weaving but that was filled.

Seriously, I wish I was a trained sprinter that could sit at all times until the end. That would be great to simply wind up the legs and play catch up after the corner, etc... No wait that doesn't work either, Erik Zabbel was out of the saddle in the Amstel Gold race a few times just trying to keep up with the peleton. All I can say is that it depends on the person & the conditions, sometimes I can stay seated and not drop at all. Other times that quick hop more than makes up for not losing the group for those ten seconds or more of seated catch up.

FYI - thanks for the perfect lead in for that sarcastic wit. Don't worry I plan on keeping my day job & skipping the comedian routine.
 
Originally posted by SLS

FYI - thanks for the perfect lead in for that sarcastic wit. Don't worry I plan on keeping my day job & skipping the comedian routine.

Good Idea :D
 
Originally posted by zaskar
Im far from a kid im 37 140lbs a strong rider who dominates local A+ group rides, matching mountain TT times of elite riders here and finish the few races ive done very well, and not intimidated by any rider or situation i can hold my own and damn i just got a coach im a dangerous mofo.

So only pro riders have this and should do this?? now that sounds about FS!

At a lightweight 140 lbs (63kgs in real world measurements) you most probably cannot generate the comparative sitting down power of other riders.

You admit to racing inexperience (different ball game to training rides) - "finish the few races ive (sic) done very well."

We cannot check the published credibility of your immodest claims (through your real name) as you defer to dominance in group training rides and not competition.

You most probably will find the reputed riders were using the group rides, if they occurred, as a recovery ride :)

Other than that, you have emotionally shot off with your keyboard without reading my post carefully.:)
 
Originally posted by VeloFlash



You most probably will find the reputed riders were using the group rides, if they occurred, as a recovery ride :)


LMAO good one SF. bottom line is im right nuff said DB. Edd summed it up clearly.
 
Originally posted by zaskar
LMAO good one SF. bottom line is im right nuff said DB. Edd summed it up clearly.

I can only presume your (unknown) words signified and veiled by initials are meant to be derogatory towards me, a person you do not know.

That, if so, amounts to an ad hominem attack which means you are attacking me personally rather than attacking my argument. A losing tactic used by debaters as a diversion from providing a rational argument in response.

By the way (or BTW), I cannot see how Edd's response(s) lend(s) any support to your position. Another distraction?
 
Originally posted by VeloFlash
I can only presume your (unknown) words signified and veiled by initials are meant to be derogatory towards me, a person you do not know.

That, if so, amounts to an ad hominem attack which means you are attacking me personally rather than attacking my argument. A losing tactic used by debaters as a diversion from providing a rational argument in response.

By the way (or BTW), I cannot see how Edd's response(s) lend(s) any support to your position. Another distraction?


POSTED BY Edd


good points.. but there are a lot of subtilties.

A short burst of acceleration is best done out of the saddle or the pro road cyclist simply would not do them.

A trained track sprinter knows what he needs to achieve and that he can put on more speed in the saddle.

There are a multitude of differing speed, terrain, and "catch the moment" environments that effect road cycling. The injection of one's body weight into an acceleration is one of many cycling techniques that have their place.

Want to win races ? Get a coach !
 
HEY !

I was happy on the fence, just watching this..... um....exchange.

Please put me back.
 
Originally posted by edd
HEY !

I was happy on the fence, just watching this..... um....exchange.

Please put me back.

Ok your off the hook, get back on the fence i guess the attacks are over with.
 
Originally posted by zaskar
Ok your off the hook, get back on the fence i guess the attacks are over with.

The attacks came from Zaskar and were directed at a general post of Veloflash and required to be defended by Veloflash.

Zaskar activated the debate to this level.

Zaskar claimed in this thread he was, quote "matching mountain TT times of elite riders here" unquote, as authority that he was a rider of some prowess and, tacitly, experience and his opinions should be taken seriously and with respect.

However, on September 28, 2003 Zaskar commenced a thread
http://www.cyclingforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48949 informing all that he had just completed his first race (average 19.8mph). Quite a spectacular subsequent improvement for a newbie to racing (automatic Cat 5 classification) to be matching elite riders (Pro/1/2) in mountain TT's during a North American winter to boot.

In a recent thread (April 2004) "How far in 30 mins?!" Zaskar said "i gave up trying to do 60 min TT because of traffic, hills, wind , ect (sic)." Quite a peculiar statement from a contributor who specialises in arduous mountain TT's (and matching elite riders)

I rest my case and hope this finally puts to rest the attacks.
 
Originally posted by VeloFlash
The attacks came from Zaskar and were directed at a general post of Veloflash and required to be defended by Veloflash.

Zaskar activated the debate to this level.

Zaskar claimed in this thread he was, quote "matching mountain TT times of elite riders here" unquote, as authority that he was a rider of some prowess and, tacitly, experience and his opinions should be taken seriously and with respect.

However, on September 28, 2003 Zaskar commenced a thread
http://www.cyclingforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48949 informing all that he had just completed his first race (average 19.8mph). Quite a spectacular subsequent improvement for a newbie to racing (automatic Cat 5 classification) to be matching elite riders (Pro/1/2) in mountain TT's during a North American winter to boot.

In a recent thread (April 2004) "How far in 30 mins?!" Zaskar said "i gave up trying to do 60 min TT because of traffic, hills, wind , ect (sic)." Quite a peculiar statement from a contributor who specialises in arduous mountain TT's (and matching elite riders)

I rest my case and hope this finally puts to rest the attacks.

The attacks a figure of speech lightin up old man. the TT im refering to in 60 min thread is a personal on flat land!2nd ive explained why my 1st race was that slow in that thread you failed to point that out. 3rd yes amazing huh mountain TT under a min of elite riders what progress ive made since last year, i hope you do rest your case wich makes no point DB.
 
Originally posted by zaskar
The attacks a figure of speech lightin up old man. the TT im refering to in 60 min thread is a personal on flat land!2nd ive explained why my 1st race was that slow in that thread you failed to point that out. 3rd yes amazing huh mountain TT under a min of elite riders what progress ive made since last year, i hope you do rest your case wich makes no point DB.

In that thread you came third. "3rd yes amazing huh"

You admit that not only is this your first race but first group ride!

You admit to an inability to sprint (hence you have limited type 2 muscle fibre and have to get out of the saddle when power is required - the topic of this thread).

You admit to being clueless on race tactics which is an acceptable admission considering that was your first race and group ride.

You initiate the drafting of a tandem, a much faster bicycle, not in your race at 25mph. That is outside assistance and in breach of race rules. You should have been DQ'd.

Your race average speed is 19.8 mph for a 50k race. Slowest race speed I have ever seen recorded for any distance. Factor out the illegal drafting period of the tandem at 25mph and you would have had unicycles passing you!

From what I read of that thread there is an explanation as to why 19.8mph average was comparatively fast for you and not slow. The drafting of the tandem. I am at a loss as to what you claim was contained in that thread that I have failed to explain as to why the race was at snail's pace.

"3rd yes amazing huh" - no.

You say "the TT im refering (sic) to in 60 (sic) min thread is a personal on flat land!" But in that thread it is not a personal cos you gave up trying - personal DNF's.

However, you re-iterate, without providing any evidence, that you now excel in much harder mountain TT's but have given up trying flat land TT's.

You again refer to me as "DB". Previously you also used the reference "SF". Maybe you can expand on their meaning to prove to the forum these references are not attacks on the person.
 
Originally posted by VeloFlash
In that thread you came third. "3rd yes amazing huh"

You admit that not only is this your first race but first group ride!

You admit to an inability to sprint (hence you have limited type 2 muscle fibre and have to get out of the saddle when power is required - the topic of this thread).

You admit to being clueless on race tactics which is an acceptable admission considering that was your first race and group ride.

You initiate the drafting of a tandem, a much faster bicycle, not in your race at 25mph. That is outside assistance and in breach of race rules. You should have been DQ'd.

Your race average speed is 19.8 mph for a 50k race. Slowest race speed I have ever seen recorded for any distance. Factor out the illegal drafting period of the tandem at 25mph and you would have had unicycles passing you!

From what I read of that thread there is an explanation as to why 19.8mph average was comparatively fast for you and not slow. The drafting of the tandem. I am at a loss as to what you claim was contained in that thread that I have failed to explain as to why the race was at snail's pace.

"3rd yes amazing huh" - no.

You say "the TT im refering (sic) to in 60 (sic) min thread is a personal on flat land!" But in that thread it is not a personal cos you gave up trying - personal DNF's.

However, you re-iterate, without providing any evidence, that you now excel in much harder mountain TT's but have given up trying flat land TT's.

You again refer to me as "DB". Previously you also used the reference "SF". Maybe you can expand on their meaning to prove to the forum these references are not attacks on the person.
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Well im flattered !! you admire me so much you been reading all my post lol, NSTFU :cool:

You again refer to me as "DB". Previously you also used the reference "SF". Maybe you can expand on their meaning to prove to the forum these references are not attacks on the person. [/B][/QUOTE

Why expand the meaning of DB and SF to the forum your the only DA here who has no clue.
 
Originally posted by zaskar
Well im flattered !! you admire me so much you been reading all my post lol, NSTFU

Why expand the meaning of DB and SF to the forum your the only DA here who has no clue.

I propose to end this sub thread with the last word.

Admiration of your good self? Let us do some investigating.

You made a contribution to a another thread that obtained plaudits from other contributors. Quite an amazing (and admirable) contribution from a person like yourself with, as we now know, extremely limited group and race riding experience.

This lengthy contribution was made by you on 23 February 2004 to a thread titled "Dropping out in races...how to stop doing it."

http://www.cyclingforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93471

The first paragraph is pure Zaskar. Flawed spelling, grammar and punctuation, as we evidence in your posts.

The English in the next 22 paragraphs is of a high standard and cannot be faulted.

It was not difficult to Google a sentence and find the exact same contribution of those flawless paragraphs was made by Bruce Hendler in an article titled "Athlete v Competitor - Part 1"

http://www.athleticamps.com/id003.html

Zaskar, you copied and pasted this article as your own work. That is plagiarism.

Plagiarists are frauds. Do you really believe you have any credibility to be admired now?
 
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when you use the abbreviations of 'DB', 'SF' so i am also probably a 'DA'!

That makes two of us veloflash.
 
Originally posted by VeloFlash
I propose to end this sub thread with the last word.

Admiration of your good self? Let us do some investigating.

You made a contribution to a another thread that obtained plaudits from other contributors. Quite an amazing (and admirable) contribution from a person like yourself with, as we now know, extremely limited group and race riding experience.

This lengthy contribution was made by you on 23 February 2004 to a thread titled "Dropping out in races...how to stop doing it."

http://www.cyclingforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93471

The first paragraph is pure Zaskar. Flawed spelling, grammar and punctuation, as we evidence in your posts.

The English in the next 22 paragraphs is of a high standard and cannot be faulted.

It was not difficult to Google a sentence and find the exact same contribution of those flawless paragraphs was made by Bruce Hendler in an article titled "Athlete v Competitor - Part 1"

http://www.athleticamps.com/id003.html

Zaskar, you copied and pasted this article as your own work. That is plagiarism.

Plagiarists are frauds. Do you really believe you have any credibility to be admired now?

Lmao hard!!! you have nothing better to do do ya to much time on your hands LOL. well no **** thats about obvious isn't it no DUH! since you have nothing to do you should be an investigator, put that natural talent to use hommy.





Plagiarists are frauds. Do you really believe you have any credibility to be admired now? [/B]
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That suks you dont admire me now Velo i dont know what im gonna do since my life was so dependent on it. seriously though like i care what some cyber space jackass thinks of me:confused:
 
Originally posted by zaskar
Lmao hard!!! you have nothing better to do do ya to much time on your hands LOL. well no **** thats about obvious isn't it no DUH! since you have nothing to do you should be an investigator, put that natural talent to use hommy.

That suks you dont admire me now Velo i dont know what im gonna do since my life was so dependent on it. seriously though like i care what some cyber space jackass thinks of me:confused:

Go to our "profiles" and the following will be disclosed -

Veloflash

Date Registered: 27-02-2003

Total Posts: 103 (0.24 posts per day)

Zaskar

Date Registered: 04-08-2003

Total Posts: 296 (1.10 posts per day)

Of the 53,673 Cycling Forum members, Zaskar ranks (today) 33rd on the list of most posts.

If producing .24 posts per day earns an uncomplementary description by you as "a cyber space jackass" what term of endearment would then best describe a contributor, being yourself, who posts at a level nearly 5 times as high?

PS: Where did you get the false impression that I had admiration for someone as proveably transparent as you? :)
 
Originally posted by VeloFlash
Go to our "profiles" and the following will be disclosed -

Veloflash

Date Registered: 27-02-2003

Total Posts: 103 (0.24 posts per day)

Zaskar

Date Registered: 04-08-2003

Total Posts: 296 (1.10 posts per day)

Of the 53,673 Cycling Forum members, Zaskar ranks (today) 33rd on the list of most posts.

If producing .24 posts per day earns an uncomplementary description by you as "a cyber space jackass" what term of endearment would then best describe a contributor, being yourself, who posts at a level nearly 5 times as high?

PS: Where did you get the false impression that I had admiration for someone as proveably transparent as you? :)

Again to much time on your hands , what info next where i was born, where i work ect, not only do you admire me now your infatuated. enough of disin this forum ok **** Breath and don't PM me again with your apolgy no kiss and make up.

PS
sorry to disapoint you Shelly, find someone else to leach on to im just not that way, now get back in the closet.
 
on a forum you are only as good as your last post !

please contemplate the word "last" for a moment...

okay, now if you want to be competitive ?

That's great..

On ya bikes !