Your preference of drink for Long Rides?

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  1. Roadie_scum

    Roadie_scum New Member

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    I'm normally skeptical of random links to pages on the net, but that one seems excellent! Mark Hargreaves PhD (one of the authors) is a very capable sports scientist from my neck of the woods.

    The main points I'd take from the article for the purposes of this thread are that:

    1. The contribution of protein to energy requirements in endurance exercise is very low.

    2. In theory, amino acids (broken down protein) could contribute to carbohydrate metobolism in exercise, but there is no evidence this occurs or has any bearing on sports performance.

    3. Amino acid supplementation is a waste of time and money.

    Additionally, there is no need to consume supplementary protein during endurance exercise - much better to consume CHO and prevent glycogen depletion.
     


  2. mtbjr

    mtbjr New Member

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    Well, I prefer an ice-cold martini - Citadelle gin at least 7:1 to Noilly Prat vermouth. Served up with a twist. But they do play hob with long rides. ;)


    HELL YA

    but i tride riding after a party and fell to maney times so now i stick with bawls guarana 2 times teh caffine of red bull :)
     
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  5. Jhikers

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    "Strength sessions", not strength athletes...

    Any successful endurance athlete will complete at least two of these sessions a week to improve their strength during training season.

    Endurance athletes need to be bloody strong!!!
     
  6. ric_stern/RST

    ric_stern/RST New Member

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    try reading the gym thread in the other forum. again you're spouting rubbish ;-)

    elite endurance cyclists are, on average, no stronger than age, gender and mass matched healthy, sedentary controls

    being exceptionally strong is no advantage and possibly a disadvantage to an endurance racing cyclist.

    ric
     
  7. ric_stern/RST

    ric_stern/RST New Member

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    hate to make this correction Roadie Scum, as it may dilute the rest of your post which is spot on. i just wanted to add that the highest protein requirements are actually in endurance athletes -- cyclists who compete in Grand Tours (i.e., TdF). The suggested RNI for these groups is ~ 2.0 g of protein per kg body mass, and this can be met with a normal diet.

    ric
     
  8. Salsa Rider

    Salsa Rider New Member

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    since I'm just starting to experiment with the "goo" food (gels), I'm still a little confused as to what is the different names for the same thing. IE. clif shot's primary ingredient is Brown Rice Syrup, hammer gel's "long strand malto-dextrin" isnt malto dextrin just the simple sugars of a grain that has been spouted (malted)??

    Also, why is it that the hotter your internal temperature goes the harder it is to eat just about anything. Energy Bars (bar food) sit in my stomach like rocks when I'm hot, even when I eat just a bite or two and take on an equal amount of fluid at the time.
     
  9. Roadie_scum

    Roadie_scum New Member

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    Ric,

    I'm always happy to be corrected when the correction is accurate. That's one of the great things about this forum. As I said earlier, I know nothing about strength athletes. My statement about protein requirements in strength athletes was based on hearsay (from strength athletes training for hypertrophy).

    Additionally, the AIS fact sheet 'how to grow muscles' suggests athletes seeking to gain muscle mass may have protein requirements of up to 2g protein/kg body mass. This would suggest that in extreme conditions strength and endurance athletes have similar requirements. I've always found AIS recommendations to be accurate - happy to be told otherwise though.

    Cheers.
     
  10. ric_stern/RST

    ric_stern/RST New Member

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    Me too! The anecdotal stuff from athletes -- as you're well aware -- can and often is wrong. i've seen recommendations from athletes of e.g., double the upper limit...

    the actual research i've seen, and i'm going from memory, is something like to gain mass you need ~1.8 g/kg and sometimes up to 2.0 g/kg, whereas the (e.g.) TdF riders need ~2.0 g/kg, in other words just marginally higher.

    The AIS stuff is usually pretty good.

    ric
     
  11. mattp71

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    Cytomax is my drink of choice while going hard. A+ pace I go through 22oz in about 45 minutes. Usually I do not ride more than 40 miles at that speed, so by the time the 2nd bottle is empty we are usually back.

    By that time I am craving regular water big time, and drink that (I carry 1/2 gallon jug) along with my Endurox recovery drink..which tastes awesome (Fruit Punch) when chilled in a cooler. Usually after a ride I also try and eat one of those protein power bars - all in 30 minutes.

    I've learned the hard way that outside the 30 minute window I pay dearly the next day. Also hot bath's after...as hot as you can stand. I would prefer a jacuzzi, but I don't own one of them and my apartment manager will not put one in hehe
     
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