Not so mrowkoob...I'm tall and I don't have a big drop from seat to bars by intent. And 53, have to side with Meehs on this one. That bike is minimum a Large and very well may be an XL...not by the amount of seat tube showing but the length of steerer tube...visual telltale on frame size. BTW a 61cm frame is a large frame. Agree...think its natural to inquire about sets ups...particular if its near your size. Meehs...at 6'5", is that 63cm Cannondale a bit tight?...you run a long stem?
George
George
I believe it is either a XL (58cm) or a XXL (61cm).biker7 said:
It's not really a big deal.
I'm just sharing an observation I made with myself about straight clamp seatposts and forward seats. that bike also has a fairly steep seat tube angle.
Steep seat tube angle+ straight clamp (as opposed to set-back seatpost ) + forward seat= reduces distance to pedals. Compensate by jacking seat up.
If that bike was a 58cm I could ride it like that and I'm only 6'2" tall. In fact that's how I'd set mine up with a 180mm crank.
If it's a 61cm the guy is probably very tall, no doubt.
it's an older Bianchi. (sorry no pictures)biker7 said:
59cm frame, 57cm top tube (seat tube angle 72 or 72.5?, but straight clamp seatpost)
130mm stem
46cm c-to-c bars (drop to handlebars is 15-16cm measured from top tip of saddle to top of handlebars)
ultegra 9s STI
180mm compact double (11-23 cassette most of the time)
Sounds like a sweet bike...love the old Bianchis. How do you like the 180mm cranks 53? You mean you don't have a set back seat clamp on your post? Was a 130mm stem stock on your bike? What is your biking inseam BTW? Honestly, I am just now adjusting to 175mm cranks on my new ride having run 170mm previously. I wouldn't want to go above 175 personally and curious how you like the extra throw?
George
George
130mm was the stock stem.biker7 said:
91cm cycling inseam.
I like the 180mm a lot. Now that I said that, I could on and on about how I think "proportional crank theory" is a load of BS. Tall frames are already designed for riders with long legs buy altering the seat tube angle and moving the seat back.
The only way proportional cranks could work is if manufacturers didn't build in the compensation for short/long legs into the seat tube angles. (small frames have 75-76 degree seat tube angles and talll frames 72 degree seat tube angles)
That's why I like 73.5 seat tube angles on taller frames. I think it gives the best biomechanics with longer cranks.
Just my opinion. Just my .02 cents.
You may well be right. Many schools as you know. Basically you are riding on one size smaller bike than I and you are just a bit bigger with slightly longer inseam. I have to admit, I like to ride in the drops a bit and not feel like I am too low. I am going to a 100mm 0 degree Deda stem to bring my bars back a bit. I wanted my cake and eat it too...bars up a bit higher due to the one size up frame and bring them back with a slightly shorter stem. I frankly am surprised they spec'ed both of our bikes with 130mm stems...as it is a bit over the middle pt. of what is common....which is 110-120mm...though stem sizes in general seem to be growing a bit. As to seat tube angle...I hear you. Mine is 72.5 on my bike which inherently does give you a bit more set back as the seat post goes higher. This is not as exagerated in my case because relative to my frame size, I am not running a lot of post thereby further lengthening distance to the bars. As to ideal bio-mechanics...yup...I may be running just back of where my ideal knee pivot should be with the seat forward and with 175mm cranks. Still tuning mine in.
Cheers,
George
Cheers,
George
biker7 said:
No, not really George. The C'Dale 63cm frame is quite a bit larger than other manufacturers, at least from my experience. The seat ube measures close to 66cm center to top and the top tube is 61cm. Plus it's got o long enough head tube to keep the saddle/handlebar drop to a reasonable amount. A lot of competetive cyclists run a big drop like mrowkoob but I'm too old for that! My back gets sore on long rides if I'm bent over too much these days. I really like the fit of the Cannondale.
2002 Pinarello SurpriseGuest said:
Full Ultegra 9, Ksyrium Elite wheels, Ritchey WCS bar/stem, Selle San Marco Aspide Saddle, Speedplay X2, Reynolds Ouzo Pro Aero fork.
2004 Pinarello Opera
Full Record 10, Proton Wheels, Ritchey WCS OS bar/stem, Aspide saddle, Speedplay X2, Pinarello Beta fork.
One geezer to another...I can relate BTW big fella...I pulled the trigger on the Brooks B17 '05 honey with stainless rivets. A dash of retro fits my character and decided resistance is futile. After much debate, I joined the other (non-Arione) mass religion for many reasons...weight and styling not being either. I may pick up an Arione at some point but likely won't need to. I have no doubt I will join the chorus of praises for Brooks (hammock) in the forthcoming weeks...want to do some long distance riding...with visible sitz bones indents and all and may even derive delight in burning that joke of a baroque torture device referred to as the Italia Selle XO. Maybe XO stands for tattoo'ed... how my a$$ feels after riding it. Would be fun to take the sawzall to it. Italy gets many cycling related products right, but that ain't one of 'em.
Cheers,
George
BTW big fella...I pulled the trigger on the Brooks B17 '05 honey with stainless rivets. A dash of retro fits my character and decided resistance is futile. After much debate, I joined the other (non-Arione) mass religion for many reasons...weight and styling not being either. I may pick up an Arione at some point but likely won't need to. I have no doubt I will join the chorus of praises for Brooks (hammock) in the forthcoming weeks...want to do some long distance riding...with visible sitz bones indents and all and may even derive delight in burning that joke of a baroque torture device referred to as the Italia Selle XO. Maybe XO stands for tattoo'ed... how my a$$ feels after riding it. Would be fun to take the sawzall to it. Italy gets many cycling related products right, but that ain't one of 'em.Cheers,
George
biker7 said:One geezer to another...I can relate
Cheers,
George
Ah, you got a B17 huh? Good choice! Is this your first Brooks? If it is, just make sure you give it adequate time to break-in before you make up your mind on how you like it. If you Proofide it lightly on both sides it'll speed-up the break-in a bit. It doesn't take that long to break 'em in and you'll start to notice how comforatable your B17 is before long. Let me know how you like it.
...had one on an old Paramount and honestly haven't found "anything" I like better. I know the drill about break in etc. No question the Arione deserves its reputation as a fine saddle and I was torn but at the end of the day, nothing conforms to a riders bottom like a Brooks...also a full 6 3/4 inches wide in its std form. The fact that it is in effect is a piece of unsupported leather between front and back lands simply makes sense for comfort as it will
acquiesce to each person's specific bottom over time...the biggest determinant in my view. Sheldon Brown is still effusive after all these years...good enough for me.
Will let you know how it goes. Honestly Meehs, if you are into biking long distances...and being a big guy, consider picking one up and have it in your collection...don't have to ride it all the time but may be your favorite for long rides.
Cheers,
George
acquiesce to each person's specific bottom over time...the biggest determinant in my view. Sheldon Brown is still effusive after all these years...good enough for me.
Will let you know how it goes. Honestly Meehs, if you are into biking long distances...and being a big guy, consider picking one up and have it in your collection...don't have to ride it all the time but may be your favorite for long rides.
Cheers,
George
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