Zefal Isotherm water bottle keeps water coldest?



On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:11:30 GMT, the black rose
<[email protected]> wrote:
>May I ask -- why so cold? Is this a personal preference, or is this a
>body heat issue? Reason I'm de-lurking to ask -- if my water is cold, I
>don't drink enough of it. I will actually become nauseated if I do
>drink enough of it. So I don't chill my water; ambient temp is fine for me.


I like ambient, if ambient is out of the faucet (fed by a water line
7" deeper than code requires). From late fall to early spring I don't
even bother with ice cubes in ordinary water bottles. But the main
reason I bother with ice in water bottles is so I can drink it after
45 minutes. I've been known to drink hot water on the second or third
day of a cold, after tea, hot chocolate, and soup have lost their
allure. (Oops, sorry, ignore the chocolate comment!) But 85 degree
water in 90 degree weather is just nasty.

Pat

Email address works as is.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Leo Lichtman" <[email protected]> writes:

> I know it is popular in this NG to argue for bicyclists' "rights." So I
> won't be surprised if I get flamed for saying this, but I think it is
> appropriate for bicyclists to be courteous to motorists, who also have a
> right to use the roads. If I am blocking someones way because I can't go
> any faster, I will look for a way to let them pass--I would like them to do
> the same for me.


I feel much the same way. A road hog is not a good thing for
anyone to be. Of course if we can't immediately find a way
to let them /safely/ pass, it would be nice if they could hold
their horses until we do -- which typically doesn't take all
that long.

> In the long run, this mode of behavior brings out less
> hostlity, contributes to safety, and makes everyone happier, including me.


My little, basic rule-of-thumb for myself is: let the impatient
ones get ahead of me; keep the indecisive ones behind me.

> If I lose a few seconds and get a wave and a smile in return it was worth
> it.


Time spent riding isn't deducted from our allotted life spans :)


cheers,
Tom

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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:02:26 GMT, the black rose
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Rick Onanian wrote:
>> both. Try a light sports drink, or a no-calorie flavor, to cover up

>
>Yeah, I haven't actually tried any sports drinks. I know I hate
>gatorade, but I haven't tried any of the new ones ( = any sports drink
>that's come out since I was in high school in the 1970's....)


Apart from *ade ready-to-drink stuff, there are some other good
options:
- Lemonade (or other drink) mix from grocery store. Mix more
diluted than instructions say to.

- Ready-to-drink "no-calorie" "flavored water" such as Fruit2o or
Propel. I find most of these okay on the first sip, and icky later.

- Sports drink mix. I like Gu2o for it's light flavor, but it seems
I'm the only one; everybody else reports hating it.

- *ade drink diluted. There are loads more flavors now than there
probably were in the 1970s. I like Powerade white, blue, and purple.

>> yourself. Slow down. Coast downhill, go easy uphill, and ride at a
>> relaxed pace on level ground.

>
>Yeah, but then how do I improve my speed? *puzzled look*


The instructions above will improve your speed. Pacing yourself will
result in a higher average speed, and a better ability to keep up
with more experienced cyclists. I assume that it works by both
steadying your output (instead of spiking and surging), and by
exercising your body better resulting in better ability. I think it
also helps mentally, to not be dead-tired all the time.

>> you're slow. Try local clubs; they may not be entirely filled with

>
>I have to admit I haven't been brave enough to try them yet. I do have
>at least one son to ride with though, and we get along pretty well.


That's good. I had nobody to ride with until I followed another RBM
person to a local club ride. I was surprised to find that many of
the riders on that ride were as slow as me, and a few even slower. I
hang back with the slower group because I like to relax, and I like
to be there for them, as I always felt bad when dropped in previous
attempts at group riding.

Also, it's good for me to ride last b/c I carry all sorts of gear,
so I can help with any rider's tech problems.

>Mm yeah, I hesitate to say I noticed. But I'm not a troll, I promise
>that. Although I'll plead for a little patience if I accidentally touch


Don't let it bother you if you get flamed. It's not a big deal. Just
as the impersonal feeling makes it easy for people to be jerks, it
should also make it easy for you to dismiss them as jerks. At the
worst, you could simply do the old "in one ear and out the other"
routine; I'm sure your kids do it to you.

>on a hot-button topic; I don't mean to, and I'm attempting to keep a low
>profile until I have a good grip on what the hot-buttons are, and if I
>ask a question, it's because I honestly want to hear a serious answer.


Hot buttons here and in r.b.tech: Helmets, greasing crank tapers,
anything political, anything bicycle-political, bicycle-automobile
relations, bike lanes/bike paths, pedalling in a circular motion,
frame materials, bicycling magazines, torque wrenches, loctite on
spoke nipples, light vs. heavy wheels, hub is suspended from rim vs
standing on spokes, disc brakes on road bikes, disc brakes causing
wheel ejection, straight vs. butted spokes, chain lube, chain care,
campagnolo vs shimano, old tech vs new tech, Critical Mass, front
brakes on fixed gear bikes, anodized aluminum, cracking rims,
tubulars vs clinchers, crank length, 53x11 and taller gears, road vs
mtb clipless pedals, look vs speedplay vs spd, cyclingforums.com
users as sock puppets, special/odd crank technology, off-road trail
damage from bikes, soft/hard ride from frame or fork, tire width,
leather vs plastic saddles, colored tires, and about a million other
topics.

I'm sure somebody else will reply with more (let's see it!). Here's
a thread titled "Sacred cows to avoid":
http://groups.google.com/groups?&[email protected]
My contributions to that thread mostly involved cows.

Anyway, you can ask many of those (the useful ones) carefully and
not get directly flames, although you may start a flame war between
others.

Past performance is a pretty good indicator of future performance,
so just go to groups.google.com and search for a topic before you
post. Not only will you likely get your answer without even asking,
but you'll also find out if it's going to start a flame war.
--
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:19:37 -0700, [email protected] (Tom Keats)
wrote:
>As for grilling pizza, I wonder if some sort of lid for your grill
>would do the trick? I'm thinking in terms of the way some people


My grill has a lid, but I've been thinking that a lower enclosure,
to reduce the airspace above the pizza, would melt the cheese
faster.

>I used to have a covered, 'kettle' style barbecue -- that thing
>was ideal for doing racks of lamb. And faux smoking. I did that
>by getting the coals down to a low glow, setting an old tuna can
>full of water in the midst of the coals, adding a few drops of
>Liquid Smoke to the water, putting the smokables on the grill,
>and closing the lid for as long as it took.


That tuna can bit is a whole lot of work. Real smoke (although it
still wouldn't qualify as authentic smoked bbq unless you moved the
fire elsewhere) can be had by packing appropriate wood chips in
aluminum foil and poking a hole in it. It's less work and it's real,
too.

For the still more lazy among us, this works great:
http://www.tono-betos.com/flavorwood.html
just don't put a burger directly above the can, as it will be
over-smoked.
--
Rick Onanian
 
Rick Onanian <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:19:37 -0700, [email protected] (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>>As for grilling pizza, I wonder if some sort of lid for your grill
>>would do the trick? I'm thinking in terms of the way some people

>
> My grill has a lid, but I've been thinking that a lower enclosure,
> to reduce the airspace above the pizza, would melt the cheese
> faster.


My $.02...

Buy a ceramic pizza stone, they're cheap. I use a ceramic insulating tile
made for lining kilns, which is even cheaper, but a pizza stone is probably
easier to find at your local cookware shop.

Place the stone on the grill, fire it up, and close the grill's lid. You're
trying to simulate a commercial Pizza oven, which is much hotter than a
typical home oven. Wait about 20 minutes for the stone to heat up, and for
the rest of the grill to get hot. You're going to be cooking with hot air
inside the grill as much as the heat from the stone (that's what melts the
cheese).

It's probably best to start with a thawed pizza, but try it frozen and see
how it works. Briefly open the lid, throw a light dusting of flour on the
pizza stone so the dough will release, and then throw the pizza on the
stone. Then quickly close the lid. Try not to lose too much hot air. Grills
with full enclosures and a front lid will work better than "flying saucer"
type charcoal grills with a cover that lifts completely off. The pizza
stone will protect the bottom of the dough from burning too quickly due to
direct heat, and the trapped hot air will melt the cheese. So you should
get a nice, evenly baked pie. You might have to fiddle a bit with the
grill's vents (if it has them), to keep the air inside hot enough.

If you want a little extra smoke flavor to simulate a wood-fired Italian
oven, get some hickory chips (or the flavor wood of your choice). Make a
small basket of aluminum foil to hold them, lightly dampen the chips with
water, and place that on the grill when you fire it up. It should be
smoking a little by the time the pizza goes in.

Of course if your grill is like mine (propane), you'll get some automatic
"BBQ flavor" from charcoaled remnants of previous cooking down on the
burners and lava rocks. So you may not need the wood chips.

Now your next step is to ditch the frozen pizza and make it from scratch,
or with store-bought dough and your own toppings.... yuuuuummmmm!

--
Mike Barrs
 
"Leo Lichtman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> I know it is popular in this NG to argue for bicyclists' "rights." So I
> won't be surprised if I get flamed for saying this, but I think it is
> appropriate for bicyclists to be courteous to motorists, who also have a
> right to use the roads.


Although I do agree with you that bicyclists should be courteous to
motorists, operating a motor vehicle on public roads is - at least in the
US - a privilege and not a right.

Dave
 
"foldedpath" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Of course if your grill is like mine (propane), you'll get some automatic
> "BBQ flavor" from charcoaled remnants of previous cooking down on the
> burners and lava rocks. So you may not need the wood chips.
>
> Now your next step is to ditch the frozen pizza and make it from scratch,
> or with store-bought dough and your own toppings.... yuuuuummmmm!


Anybody who's into grilling should be into charcoal. Anybody who's into pizza
from scratch should make dough from scratch. It actually takes a bit of time
to get smoke flavor into things, I don't think pizza would get much. I use
apple wood (the grill is under the tree), it tastes way better than old burger
drippings. Mandatory bike/grilling connection: I've been taking a "BOB"
trailer along on MTB expeditions recently, schlepping the picnic stuff for the
family. I brought a little grill along one time recently -- very cool.
 
the black rose <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> I don't really appreciate it when
> I make an innocent comment and get ripped to shreds by the wolves.
> Reasonably mature men don't act that way in RL, in general (at least,
> not toward me); the relative anonymity of the internet definitely brings
> out the worst in some folks (male or female).


Heh. When I first started out in rec.bicycles.*, I had a couple of
immature replies to a post I made inquiring about sports bras. I felt
it was time to establish that despite my female nature, I was not
someone to be messed with. I replied not with flames or indignancy,
but with humor.

That old thread may be viewed here:
http://tinyurl.com/6uxee

Generally, I think this is a nice and helpful newsgroup. There's a few
eccentrics around here, but that's true of cycling in general. I have
learned so much from people here, and I hope I have equally helped
some individuals, and have made a valuable contribution to the group
as a whole.

Warm Regards,


Claire Petersky
Home of the meditative cyclist:
http://home.earthlink.net/~cpetersky/Welcome.htm
See the books I've set free at:
http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

(Still posting from google for a while, feh.)
 
"Peter Cole" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:nXhJc.78704$a24.74866@attbi_s03:

> "foldedpath" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> Of course if your grill is like mine (propane), you'll get some
>> automatic "BBQ flavor" from charcoaled remnants of previous cooking
>> down on the burners and lava rocks. So you may not need the wood
>> chips.
>>
>> Now your next step is to ditch the frozen pizza and make it from
>> scratch, or with store-bought dough and your own toppings....
>> yuuuuummmmm!

>
> Anybody who's into grilling should be into charcoal.


Jeez... tough crowd here.

I was trying to help. Okay, I bow in the direction of charcoal, while
nodding at the convenience of propane. :)

> Anybody who's
> into pizza from scratch should make dough from scratch.


Of course. Goes without saying. But the folks here are talking about
what to do with a frozen, store-bought pizza on the grill.

> It actually
> takes a bit of time to get smoke flavor into things, I don't think
> pizza would get much. I use apple wood (the grill is under the tree),
> it tastes way better than old burger drippings. Mandatory
> bike/grilling connection: I've been taking a "BOB" trailer along on
> MTB expeditions recently, schlepping the picnic stuff for the family.
> I brought a little grill along one time recently -- very cool.


That sounds like fun. I've always done it "real" on camping trips.

As penance for mentioning the evil word "propane," I offer my (adapted)
recipe for spinach/4-cheese pizza. This is the topping recipe. Anyone
who wants a from-scratch dough recipe to go with this, can email me
(removing the obvious SPAM blocker).


Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
1 10 oz. package fresh spinach -- washed and dried
1/4 cup water
4 large cloves garlic -- minced
1 teaspoon olive oil
1 28 oz. can plum tomato, whole
1/2 cup reggiano parmesan cheese -- grated
1/2 cup gorgonzola cheese -- loosely crumbled
1/2 cup feta cheese -- loosely crumbled
3/4 cup mozzarella cheese -- shredded

Drain all fluids from can of tomatoes, and place tomatoes into colander
set over a large bowl. Crush tomatoes by hand, squeezing out all excess
water. Discard any hard stem pieces.

Heat a large pot and then add spinach and 1/4 cup water. Stir and cook
spinach until reduced, but do not overcook. Remove from heat, strain any
excess water out of pot.

Add minced garlic and a little olive oil to spinach, then return to heat
and stir just long enough to blend garlic flavor into spinach. Do not
overcook. Remove from heat and allow spinach to cool.

When dough is ready, distribute spinach evenly, then add crushed
tomatoes. Layer cheese on top in the following order: soft feta and
gorgonzola, then shredded mozzarella, then sprinkle with parmesan.

--
Mike Barrs
(I hate posting things like this, because it makes me hungry)
 
the black rose <[email protected]> wrote in news:gelJc.74464
[email protected]:

> foldedpath wrote:
>> Mike Barrs
>> (I hate posting things like this, because it makes me hungry)

>
> *wipes a bit a drool*
>
> Yer an evil man, Mike Barrs. ;)


Heh, heh... try, it you'll like it. Works fine with a frozen dough base.

--
Mike Barrs
<vanishing in a puff of smoke>
 
In article <[email protected]>,
foldedpath <[email protected]> writes:

>> Anybody who's into grilling should be into charcoal.

>
> Jeez... tough crowd here.
>
> I was trying to help. Okay, I bow in the direction of charcoal, while
> nodding at the convenience of propane. :)


That's okay. There's already so many this vs. that arguments
going on here, I don't think anyone wants to get involved in
another one.

...

> As penance for mentioning the evil word "propane," I offer my (adapted)
> recipe for spinach/4-cheese pizza. This is the topping recipe. Anyone
> who wants a from-scratch dough recipe to go with this, can email me


Thanks muchly for that; I shall definitely give it a try.
It sounds delish. Mmmm ... spinach & feta ... <drool>

I recently noticed one pizza joint near me includes
smoked herrings in their toppings list. I'm going to
have to try that, too. Separately from your recipe,
of course.

Ob relation to cycling: I find pizza as fuel agreeably has
just the right combination of carbs, protein & fat for me, and
it never makes me logy - unlike some of the richer variations
on lasagna.


cheers,
Tom

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In article <[email protected]>,
"Raoul Duke" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Leo Lichtman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > I know it is popular in this NG to argue for bicyclists' "rights." So I
> > won't be surprised if I get flamed for saying this, but I think it is
> > appropriate for bicyclists to be courteous to motorists, who also have a
> > right to use the roads.

>
> Although I do agree with you that bicyclists should be courteous to
> motorists, operating a motor vehicle on public roads is - at least in the
> US - a privilege and not a right.
>
> Dave
>
>


The above fact is immediately forgotten the moment the driver obtains a liscense.

HAND

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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:24:24 -0000, foldedpath
<[email protected]> wrote:
>stone will protect the bottom of the dough from burning too quickly due to
>direct heat, and the trapped hot air will melt the cheese. So you should
>get a nice, evenly baked pie. You might have to fiddle a bit with the
>grill's vents (if it has them), to keep the air inside hot enough.


With the stone, will the crust get nicely crisp and properly
golden-brown? That's part of the reason I'm using the grill.

>If you want a little extra smoke flavor to simulate a wood-fired Italian
>oven, get some hickory chips (or the flavor wood of your choice). Make a


I've got loads and loads of smoking chips. I love using them for
burgers and dogs on the grill, and someday I'll make a good brisket
in the smoker. I've even found
http://www.tono-betos.com/flavorwood.html which is canned smoke
wood, for the ultra-lazy. Works great.

>Of course if your grill is like mine (propane), you'll get some automatic
>"BBQ flavor" from charcoaled remnants of previous cooking down on the
>burners and lava rocks. So you may not need the wood chips.


Brand new lava rocks; the old ceramic briquettes were disintegrated.

>Now your next step is to ditch the frozen pizza and make it from scratch,
>or with store-bought dough and your own toppings.... yuuuuummmmm!


That's a yummy option, but Tony's frozen pizza is definitely one of
my favorite foods, and quick&easy too...except for having a terrible
oven (for a variety of reasons, and a good one is not available).
When I once again have a good oven, Tony's frozen pizza will
probably be a major staple in my diet; it's a pretty cheap meal for
me, and one of my favorites.

I bought a Presto Pizzazz pizza cooker (
http://www.comforthouse.com/comfort/pizza.html ), but it doesn't
cook the crust at all, just the top. I've been considering drilling
holes in the pan. Also, I've considered using the Pizzazz for the
top and the grill for the bottom.

The grill is a largish propane grill, by the "Great Outdoors Grill"
company.

The success I once had was not with Tony's pizza, but rather those
rectangular Ellio's, specifically their "Double Cheese" variety,
which was in a cooler with melting ice for two days. Everything
thawed, and the crust got somewhat soggy; I grilled it on a $15
portable gas grill, very much like this:
http://www.oshmans.com/graphics/product_images/p246345reg.jpg
which is just large enough for the pizza. It was some of the best
pizza I ever had, frozen, take-out, gourmet, whatever.

Maybe I'll just have to try to duplicate that experience. ;)
--
Rick Onanian
 
Rick Onanian wrote:
> Hot buttons here and in r.b.tech: Helmets, greasing crank tapers,
> anything political, anything bicycle-political, bicycle-automobile
> relations, bike lanes/bike paths, pedalling in a circular motion,
> frame materials, bicycling magazines, torque wrenches, loctite on
> spoke nipples, light vs. heavy wheels, hub is suspended from rim vs
> standing on spokes, disc brakes on road bikes, disc brakes causing
> wheel ejection, straight vs. butted spokes, chain lube, chain care,
> campagnolo vs shimano, old tech vs new tech, Critical Mass, front
> brakes on fixed gear bikes, anodized aluminum, cracking rims,
> tubulars vs clinchers, crank length, 53x11 and taller gears, road vs
> mtb clipless pedals, look vs speedplay vs spd, cyclingforums.com
> users as sock puppets, special/odd crank technology, off-road trail
> damage from bikes, soft/hard ride from frame or fork, tire width,
> leather vs plastic saddles, colored tires, and about a million other
> topics.


Hee hee hee hee hee. :-D

I understand that it's a scientifically proven fact that red bikes are
faster.

*sprints away at top speed*

--
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GO LANCE GO!!!
proud to be owned by a yorkie
http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts
 
Claire Petersky wrote:
> Heh. When I first started out in rec.bicycles.*, I had a couple of
> immature replies to a post I made inquiring about sports bras. I felt
> it was time to establish that despite my female nature, I was not
> someone to be messed with. I replied not with flames or indignancy,
> but with humor.
>
> That old thread may be viewed here:
> http://tinyurl.com/6uxee


Hee hee, yup. I have to say though that the immature reply wasn't a
flame. I've got 4 sons, so I'm used to living with all kinds of male
immaturity (though they don't have the nerve to indulge in innuendo when
I'm around!). Immaturity I know well how to deal with.

Ob cycling content: I just watched the TdF peloton herd a small group of
cows... ROFL!!!

--
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GO LANCE GO!!!
proud to be owned by a yorkie
http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts
 
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:47:51 -0000, foldedpath
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Peter Cole" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> Now your next step is to ditch the frozen pizza and make it from

>> Anybody who's into grilling should be into charcoal.
>> Anybody who's
>> into pizza from scratch should make dough from scratch.

>
>Of course. Goes without saying. But the folks here are talking about
>what to do with a frozen, store-bought pizza on the grill.


I'm talking about what to do with a Tony's frozen store-bought
mass-produced chock-full-of-preservatives "pizza"-like food product
on a propane burning outdoor cooking device. You don't have to call
it "pizza" or "grill" if you don't want to, but it's what I'm trying
to figure out how to eat. I admit that it is not authentic pizza,
although if it's got a grate with a fire under it, I call it a
grill. If it's got a grate with the fire elsewhere, it's probably a
smoker (for making authentic bbq). If it hasn't got exposed fire
anywhere, then it's an oven.

BTW, anybody who's into charcoal should be into natural lump
charcoal, not Kingsford briquettes, which are a much worse
approximation of charcoal than Tony's is an approximation of pizza.
Also, natural lighting methods (paper, kindling, or charcoal
chimney), rather than lighting fluid, for the same reason.

There is something alluring about the evil stench of Kingsford
briquettes burning off a highly flammable solvent, but if you're
looking for grilling so elite and authentic, you have to start with
real charcoal and no fluid.

I'd add wood chips for smoke production to ANY of the aforementioned
grill equipment/fuel combinations. Jack Daniels wood chips are the
best, even better than hickory. They're supposedly chopped-up oak
whiskey-aging-barrels, and they sure smell like it.

Maybe if I can get a whole JD barrel, I can cook over a JD wood
fire. Maybe I could convince them to create JD lump charcoal... I
doubt they produce enough barrels for that, though.

I'v seen pictures and recipes of authentic, original pizza, and not
only is it nothing like any pizza you'll find now, it's also not
appetizing. IIRC, it was some awful type of dough with a couple icky
dry toppings; and also IIRC, it was yet another food whose origin
was poor people trying to use inedible or leftover foods... So, to
argue whether it should be homemade from nice all-purpose flour and
tomato sauce and cheese and vegetables and meat vs. made in a
factory, well, neither one is authentic.

My home-made pizza recipe? Well, it's not difficult, nor is it
authentic (obviously), nor is it something many people would like,
nor is it elite, but here it is:

[Many] red plastic sack of pizza dough mix, can't remember if it's
Betty Crocker or Pillsbury or what

[Large jar] Francesco Rinaldi original meatless pasta sauce or
Prego pizza sauce

[Bulk pack] any brand of string cheese

[huge bulk bag] good quality mass-produced shredded mozzarella

Make huge crust from dough. Place string cheese sticks around
perimeter and roll edge of crust over, completely enclosing and
sealing cheese.

Bake on perforated pizza pan for random time at random temperature.

Add too much sauce. Bake on pan randomly again.

Add way too much cheese. Bake until cheese is thoroughly melted,
you're too hungry, or crust begins to burn. Hope cheese is nearly
melted by that time, anyway. I've never burned the crust this way.
Sometimes parts of cheese will overcook before all the cheese has
melted; you may need to add another intermediate bake with half of
the cheese thickness.

Cut into 8 pieces with pizza machete, if you have one. If not, a
really big pizza wheel will work, but it'll be kinda messy.

One slice will be a meal (or two) for most people. I'm good for two
or three slices, usually.

Boboli crusts are good, too, but you can't make THAT pizza on them.

> (I hate posting things like this, because it makes me hungry)


Me too, every time.
--
Rick "Heart-attack pizza" Onanian
 
"Rick Onanian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:47:51 -0000, foldedpath
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >"Peter Cole" <[email protected]> wrote in
> >>> Now your next step is to ditch the frozen pizza and make it from
> >> Anybody who's into grilling should be into charcoal.
> >> Anybody who's
> >> into pizza from scratch should make dough from scratch.

> >
> >Of course. Goes without saying. But the folks here are talking about
> >what to do with a frozen, store-bought pizza on the grill.

>
> I'm talking about what to do with a Tony's frozen store-bought
> mass-produced chock-full-of-preservatives "pizza"-like food product


Since I've got at least 8 pizza shops within a half mile radius (not chain
stores, either), and most are pretty good (competition), it doesn't make sense
for me to home cook it unless I go all the way. Convenience food, like the
silent majority, is really neither. I have never tried bring pizza home on a
bike, though.

> There is something alluring about the evil stench of Kingsford
> briquettes burning off a highly flammable solvent, but if you're
> looking for grilling so elite and authentic, you have to start with
> real charcoal and no fluid.


Chimneys are so easy to make (coffee cans & coat hangers) that I never use
fluid, briquettes are ok if they're not pre-soaked.

> My home-made pizza recipe? Well, it's not difficult, nor is it
> authentic (obviously), nor is it something many people would like,
> nor is it elite, but here it is:


Dude, that's not pizza, it's grilled cheese.

> Rick "Heart-attack pizza" Onanian


Food for thought.
 
Tom Keats <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "HardwareLust" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> To me, nothing is worse than drinking tepid water on a ride!

>
> I think the worst thing about warmed-up water isn't so much
> the temperature, as much as the way it takes on the plastic-y
> taste of the bottle.


I find that if when you fill the bottle you steep a little mint
in the bottle, you can't taste any of the plastic-ness. You don't
steep it long enough to really be 'minty', it just imparts a slight
taste and over-shadows anything nasty.

--
Dane Jackson - z u v e m b i @ u n i x b i g o t s . o r g
>Why do I suddenly see Samuel Jackson as G-d in my head?

L: There's a lot of holy books here. How do I know I'm reading the
right one?
D: Oh, that's easy. Mine is the one that has "Bad Mother Fscker" on it.
-Seen in the Monastery - Matt Roberds & Earl Grey
 
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:35:11 GMT, "HardwareLust" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I
>don't have any scientific proof or anything, but it seems to me that cool or
>cold water works better than warm water.


In terms of reducing core body temp, yes.

>
>To me, nothing is worse than drinking tepid water on a ride!


I can think of two things that are worse:

1) not having water at all. Thirst. Dehydration. Collapse. fun!

2) having unclean water. Intestinal cramps. Diarrhea. Dehydration.
Collapse. fun!

Remember that three-quarters of the world doesn't have *any* clean
water *at all*, hot, cold, or tepid.

-Luigi