Cycling hard and staying fat...

[Rob Morley]

In article <[email protected]>,
raisethe
[email protected] says...
> A fat
> person who reduces calory intake by say 50% and increases exercise by
> say 1 hour per day may lose plenty of weight in the short and medium
> term but will eventually put it all back on even whilst maintaining
> the lower calory consumption and increased exercise.
>
Evidence?

 

[vernon]

"Rob Morley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> raisethe
> [email protected] says...
>> A fat
>> person who reduces calory intake by say 50% and increases exercise by
>> say 1 hour per day may lose plenty of weight in the short and medium
>> term but will eventually put it all back on even whilst maintaining
>> the lower calory consumption and increased exercise.
>>
> Evidence?

Peer reviewed?

 

[vernon]

"raisethe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 31 Oct, 09:58, Nick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> > For a meaningful test of the effects of exercise on weight loss, those
>> > in the tests would have to do at least 5 hours of activity per day
>> > rather than the paltry 60 minutes indicated in the article.
>>
>> Why?
>
>
> The aim is to test if exercise and weight loss are linked. 60 minutes
> per diem is inadequate.
>
>
>
>>
>> How do you know this?-
>
>
> Personal experience. Do you know different?
>
To mangle a well know phrase:- 'One swallow does not a slimmer make' ;-)

 

[raisethe]

On 1 Nov, 06:48, "vernon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Rob Morley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > raisethe
> > [email protected] says...
> >> A fat
> >> person who reduces calory intake by say 50% and increases exercise by
> >> say 1 hour per day may lose plenty of weight in the short and medium
> >> term but will eventually put it all back on even whilst maintaining
> >> the lower calory consumption and increased exercise.
>
> > Evidence?
>
> Peer reviewed?

None. Only anecdotal.

IME judging by the advice dished out by the medical profession and the
government, and reported results of scientific studies, the various
authorities do not seem to have a clue as to the cause and treatment
of obesity.

 

[Nick]

raisethe wrote:
> On 31 Oct, 09:58, Nick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> For a meaningful test of the effects of exercise on weight loss, those
>>> in the tests would have to do at least 5 hours of activity per day
>>> rather than the paltry 60 minutes indicated in the article.
>> Why?
>
>
> The aim is to test if exercise and weight loss are linked. 60 minutes
> per diem is inadequate.
>

I think the aim was to test if recommending an exercise program to help
weight loss was good advice. Most people are not interested in a 5 hour
a day exercise program and hence the answer to if it helps or not is
relatively moot.


>
>
>> How do you know this?-
>
>
> Personal experience. Do you know different?
>

Unfortunately the history of diets is littered with personal experience
that has later proved to be wrong or against the trend.

My own personal experience is that for the first month 1 hour or so
exercise a day causes me to lose weight after which my weight seems to
stabilise.

 

[raisethe]

On 1 Nov, 10:31, Nick <[email protected]> wrote:
..
>
> I think the aim was to test if recommending an exercise program to help
> weight loss was good advice. Most people are not interested in a 5 hour
> a day exercise program and hence the answer to if it helps or not is
> relatively moot.
>
>
>
>

It would nevertheless be interesting to know the effects of a five
hour pd exrecise programme on long term weight loss. Given that no
cure for obesity has been discovered (short of enforced starvation) it
is certainly necessary to consider all options. In any case, five
hours isn't particularly extreme, many occupations require more than
that.

 

[raisethe]

On 1 Nov, 10:31, Nick > Unfortunately the history of diets is littered
with personal experience
> that has later proved to be wrong or against the trend.

Usually because diets don't work in the long term.



>
> My own personal experience is that for the first month 1 hour or so
> exercise a day causes me to lose weight after which my weight seems to
> stabilise.

Are you obese? If you are, fair enuff. If you're not, your personal
experience is irrelevant.

 

[Artemisia]

[email protected] wrote:
> I've read several posts in the past from contributors complaining/
> reporting that despite cycling tremendous distances they haven't lost
> any weight.
>
> This article offers an interesting take on why this may be.
>
> http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2198879,00.html
>
> I don't know enough about the history of exercise to know whether or
> not this is a biased take on things, but the stuff on the interaction
> of LPL and insulin sounds very interesting.
>

On a related note in today's INDEPENDENT, a genetic modification to mice
that makes them into mickey Lance Armstrongs. I want this NOW. Never
mind about becoming aggressive!

http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3121157.ece

EFR
Ile de France

 

[Peter Clinch]

Artemisia wrote:

> On a related note in today's INDEPENDENT, a genetic modification to mice
> that makes them into mickey Lance Armstrongs. I want this NOW. Never
> mind about becoming aggressive!
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3121157.ece

Or at http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/video/2007/nov/02/supermouse you
can see a vidjo of said mouse in action.

I think I'll stick to taking my time...

Pete.
--
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

 

[John Kane]

On Oct 31, 8:27 am, Nick Kew <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:17:24 +0000
>
> Roger Thorpe <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Since so much of the energy demand for our bodies is to maintain body
> > temperature I have often wondered if wearing less and turning the
> > heating down would help. I would imagine that any increase in fat as
> > insulation would be better distributed than the normal energy storage
> > areas. Is this likely?
>
> Unlikely.
>
> I don't use heating[1], and feel less than comfortable when I go into
> a heated place. And I wear less warm clothing than most people.
> I have a good layer of natural organic insulation which is mostly
> in the paunch. But mostly, I just keep the circulation going.
> The basic principle: I'm warm-blooded, therefore I regulate my
> own body temperature provided I remain healthy.
>
> If anyone wants the tip on how to stay comfortable through the
> English winter without heating, just keep the window open!
> There's nothing worse than slightly stale, stuffy air for
> shutting down the healthy circulation, which both makes you feel
> cold and breaches your natural defences against whatever bugs may
> be around.
>
> [1] Last time I wanted it was that cold snap at the end of Feb.
> 2005, and that's 'cos I had a bout of 'flu that was far and away
> the worst I've had in my life[2]. That's when I discovered the
> heating in my flat didn't work.

Are you in a highrise? If so and you're several floors up your
neighbours below you are heating the flat for you.(Stack effect)
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada


>
> [2] I picked it up at choir: they'd closed the bloody windows.
>
> --
> not me guv

 

[Nick Kew]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:08:12 -0700
John Kane <[email protected]> wrote:

> Are you in a highrise?

Nope.

Highrise has a very bad name in the UK, due to strong historical
association with slum clearance (creating a vertical slum), and
with our perennial mistake of "low cost housing" (meaning that we
have a huge stock of poor quality housing, and anything from the
last 100 years or so is worth avoiding).

So we have very little highrise, and none in rural areas or
smaller towns.

The only time I've lived in a high-rise was when I lived in
Germany, where it has an altogether different history -
including building to a much higher quality. There I did
get the benefit of heat from the neighbours and much better
insulation, which more-or-less cancelled out the fact that
winter away from maritime influences is about 20 degrees
colder than on this island.

--
not me guv

--
Nick Kew

Application Development with Apache - the Apache Modules Book
http://www.apachetutor.org/

 

[raisethe]

On 2 Nov, 10:54, Artemisia <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
> On a related note in today's INDEPENDENT, a genetic modification to mice
> that makes them into mickey Lance Armstrongs. I want this NOW. >


Ah, so thats how he did it.

 

[David Lloyd]

"Artemisia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>> I've read several posts in the past from contributors complaining/
>> reporting that despite cycling tremendous distances they haven't lost
>> any weight.
>>
>> This article offers an interesting take on why this may be.
>>
>> http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2198879,00.html
>>
>> I don't know enough about the history of exercise to know whether or
>> not this is a biased take on things, but the stuff on the interaction
>> of LPL and insulin sounds very interesting.
>>
>
> On a related note in today's INDEPENDENT, a genetic modification to mice
> that makes them into mickey Lance Armstrongs. I want this NOW. Never mind
> about becoming aggressive!
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3121157.ece
>
> EFR
> Ile de France

I hope they've also designed a better mousetrap, so that they can catch the
buggers when they escape

David Lloyd