I'm trying to work out if this was my fault or not? I had already taken the lane, the driver hadn't indicated and there was a flow of traffic behind me. I'm sure what he did was wrong.
Wrong on many counts. First, it matters that the student driver was in the wrong. Not stating as much and not pointing as much--especially on the part of the driving instructor--only ingrains bad driving behavior. Second, most drivers do see cyclists and obey the rules, at least in this country and in the UK. If they didn't, there'd be a lot more injured and dead cyclists. sussexvlogger did things correctly. It's pretty bad form to pass somebody and then slow right in front of them. It's a great way to cause an accident. Cyclists need to pay attention, too. Lastly, riders sicking up for themselves does not lead to road rage. Road rage is the result of drivers not being able to control their emotions. Road rage is not the fault of cyclist.Volnix said:So what if it was or not? It happens alot. Most car drivers even if they see a bike coming they assume that there is a good 2 years before they reach them so they go for the turn etc... Its most annoying when they seem like they are going for the turn and you stop, only for them to stop too and signal you to go before them. /img/vbsmilies/smilies/biggrin.gif By the way, this reminds me of something... /img/vbsmilies/smilies/wink.gif  May I ask, how long have you been commuting with the bike? I am asking because some people who just start commuting have an incredible feeling of righteousness, an overwhelming feeling that the non-cyclists are a bunch of destructive zombies and occasionally that might lead into road-rage! /img/vbsmilies/smilies/biggrin.gif This also happens between cyclists. I was cycling back, one day when I run into a woman, in her forties, on the cycling lane. I pass by and some meters later I slow down, probably to check some ehmmm, "readings from my cycling computer"... and there she is... all angry and stuff, starting to tell me that "if I was not planning on keeping the overtaking speed why I went passed her anyway!' She was in a mood for a bad conversation so I just didnt reply and went on. She also had this "Hell yeah I go to demonstrations" look on her face... /img/vbsmilies/smilies/biggrin.gif After a while on commuting its most likely that you will get sick and tired of finding right and wrong on the road and will be just going for the distance you want to cover and not think about it at all, even if you get some wrong stuff happening on the road. Unfortunately accidents also occur after you get used to commuting due to getting too used to it...
You'll note that sussexvlogger did the right thing, both in taking the lane and in avoiding contact with the car. He quite clearly slowed down.jpr95 said:I'd say you were technically in the right. However, some sage advice from my father long ago was, "There is a such thing as being dead right." It looked from the video like that car was obviously coming into your lane leaving you plenty of time to react to that. You don't have to be on guard for cars doing the right things--you have to be on the lookout for cars about to do the wrong things, and act accordingly.
Probably the best practice when cycling, is acting defensively.Originally Posted by dhk2 .
got to be alert and prepared to take defensive action since we're the ones at risk.
Sure it matters if there is an accident and the police comes over to short things out. But how it actually matters in telling one driver (who probably knows that what they are doing is wrong or not) I dont know. Maybe if you are not that bored on telling them you can alert them of the situation so they wont do it again, but... You would probably start spending alot of time just informing the drivers of their driving everytime you go for a commute.Originally Posted by alienator .
Wrong on many counts. First, it matters that the student driver was in the wrong. Not stating as much and not pointing as much--especially on the part of the driving instructor--only ingrains bad driving behavior. Second, most drivers do see cyclists and obey the rules, at least in this country and in the UK. If they didn't, there'd be a lot more injured and dead cyclists. sussexvlogger did things correctly.
It's pretty bad form to pass somebody and then slow right in front of them. It's a great way to cause an accident. Cyclists need to pay attention, too.
Lastly, riders sicking up for themselves does not lead to road rage. Road rage is the result of drivers not being able to control their emotions. Road rage is not the fault of cyclist.
...without killing others, whether their vehicle has more or fewer wheels than yours.Originally Posted by An old Guy .
The goal is to get home safely.
OK guys, help me out with the term "undertaking". Does it mean passing on the left (passenger side) of the vehicle, or on a "dual carriageway", does it mean passing in the left (outside) lane rather than moving to the right hand lane to "overtake"? Also, is the term "passing" used in the UK interchangeably with "overtaking"?Originally Posted by sussexvlogger .
Thank's for your replies, And Bartsie, yes it is illegal to undertake in the UK although it was either myself going on the inside of the vehicle or hit his rear end. /img/vbsmilies/smilies/biggrin.gif
(also note: I stay behind the bus as I knew there was a bus stop coming up on the left)
Thanks for that. I'll be armed with a new English word when I go back to the UK this spring. I did a lot of miles as a car passenger last fall, and was surprised at the amount of traffic, speeds and aggressive driving/tailgating on the A and M roads. The roundabouts are another thing altogether. Tried getting behind the wheel in a controlled, low traffic setting, but found it really difficult to drive on the other side of the car and the road, particularly at intersections. Would want a lot more practice before getting into the crazy traffic flow.Originally Posted by sussexvlogger .
Undertaking = Passing on the left hand side of a vehicle = Illegal
Overtaking = Passing on the right hand side of a vehicle = Legal where safe to do so
[COLOR= rgb(24, 24, 24)]I have been commuting since 2010, but with this bike since November 2012, sorry.. Didn't see that part of the post before [/COLOR]Originally Posted by Volnix .
So what if it was or not? It happens alot. Most car drivers even if they see a bike coming they assume that there is a good 2 years before they reach them so they go for the turn etc... Its most annoying when they seem like they are going for the turn and you stop, only for them to stop too and signal you to go before them. /img/vbsmilies/smilies/biggrin.gif
By the way, this reminds me of something... /img/vbsmilies/smilies/wink.gif May I ask, how long have you been commuting with the bike? I am asking because some people who just start commuting have an incredible feeling of righteousness, an overwhelming feeling that the non-cyclists are a bunch of destructive zombies and occasionally that might lead into road-rage! /img/vbsmilies/smilies/biggrin.gif
This also happens between cyclists. I was cycling back, one day when I run into a woman, in her forties, on the cycling lane. I pass by and some meters later I slow down, probably to check some ehmmm, "readings from my cycling computer"... and there she is... all angry and stuff, starting to tell me that "if I was not planning on keeping the overtaking speed why I went passed her anyway!' She was in a mood for a bad conversation so I just didnt reply and went on. She also had this "Hell yeah I go to demonstrations" look on her face... /img/vbsmilies/smilies/biggrin.gif
After a while on commuting its most likely that you will get sick and tired of finding right and wrong on the road and will be just going for the distance you want to cover and not think about it at all, even if you get some wrong stuff happening on the road. Unfortunately accidents also occur after you get used to commuting due to getting too used to it...
It looks like a road bike with shifter-brake levers... Can you brake fast enough with those? Have you seen these?:Originally Posted by sussexvlogger .
[COLOR= rgb(24, 24, 24)]I have been commuting since 2010, but with this bike since November 2012, sorry.. Didn't see that part of the post before [/COLOR]
Easier to reach and operate? There's nothing to suggest that at all. Braking faster? Again, there's nothing that suggests as much.Volnix said:You can put those on the handle-bar and have some easier to pull brake levers. They are advertized as "cyclocross brake levers". They are probably braking faster then the shifter-brake levers... meaning that they are easier to reach and operate then the shifter-brake levers.
I would agree as much in that different hand positions can result in different braking results under duress. Slow breaking is one thing, breaking hard to save ones life, like anything, requires regular drills and a familiarity with what happens to ones body weight (and therefore one's body in it's relation to the bicycle underneath) as a result of sudden deceleration to potentially get right. Additionally, even regular practice does not garantee that the end result will be the one we desire, but it can dramatically improve the odds for a positive outcome.Originally Posted by alienator .
Easier to reach and operate? There's nothing to suggest that at all. Braking faster? Again, there's nothing that suggests as much.
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