Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters andsidewalks



Amy Blankenship wrote:
>
> Cats have a dry sense of humor. Not many people understand them...

(moving farther off-topic) If you want to have some fun with your cat, get
a cheap laser pointer. Point it on the floor and move it around like a
mouse. My cat loves to chase it.

The cat is not deceived; While she doesn't understand the physics behind
lasers, she clearly knows this toy is connected with me and will beg me to
get it and play. She just likes to chase stuff.

Of course, you should be careful not to shine the laser in the cat's eyes.

--
Mike Kruger
"You have to be careful if you are reckless." - Richard M. Daley
 
On Apr 22, 10:38 am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Apr 22, 8:52 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 21, 7:25 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > Even someone as fearful as you should be able to deal with the
> > > occasional skinned knee.  So again:  quit whining.
>
> > I still remember that guy that cited statistics like you, only to be
> > killed by a drunk driver.
>
> Yes, and I've had at least four friends killed while riding in motor
> vehicles.  I've had four  close family members seriously injured in
> car crashes, one of whom is mildly crippled for life.
>
> For every bicycling fatality in the US, there are roughly 8 pedestrian
> fatalities, roughly 60 motorist fatalities, and roughly 1000 heart
> fatalities.
>
> Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
> possibilities thereof.  You go out of your way to make cycling sound
> much more dangerous than it is.
>
> Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike.  Who pays your
> salary?  Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?
>
> - Frank Krygowski

Frank, you are not very smart, or you are just playing dumb. I'm
saying IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE because I propose to fix it. That's why
I speak about "the revolution" and coming out of the jungle. You, on
the other hand, want to deny something so obvious that you look either
out of touch with reality or have an agenda in mind, and offer no hope
other than rider training or mental toughness. How about the stupid
drivers and the stupid traffic laws out there? Haven't you noticed the
few cyclists that dare commute to work in America (a pitiful .4% of
the total commuting population) mostly ride on the sidewalks? So *YOU*
are the one defending the status quo, one where GM and Exxon thrive,
one where size matters, and rats run for their lives...

The Art of Urban Cycling: Lessons from the Street

"The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets are
ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry. As if that
weren’t enough, the urban cyclist must carry the weight of history
along on every ride.
After a brief heyday at the turn of the twentieth century, American
cyclists fell out of the social consciousness, becoming an
afterthought when our cities were planned and built. Cyclists today
are left to navigate, like rats in a sewer, through a hard and
unsympathetic world that was not made for them. Yet, with the proper
attitude and a bit of knowledge, urban cyclists can thrive in this
hostile environment."

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Urban-Cyc...7837/ref=pd_sim_b_title_1/104-6001352-1213502

And we need to fix the sewer...
 
On Apr 22, 12:35 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Amy Blankenship" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >>> As an erstwhile guardian of felines, I can
> >>> assert they do eat grass.
>
> >> What happened to your cats?
>
> > They mostly died of old age.  One got run over
> > by a car.  My last one was lost by a co-worker
> > who was supposed to temporarily take care of him
> > when I suddenly had to find new digs.  That was
> > especially heartbreaking, and I've since sworn-off
> > any stewardship of fellow animules.  Buster was
> > a great guy.  I got him from a woman who bred
> > Siameses, but one of her females went a little
> > wayward and subsequently gave birth to a bunch of
> > mixed blessings.  Buster was the first one to leave
> > the litter.
> ...
> > He also hated being condescended-to or belittled, and
> > true to his Siamese genes, he'd go to take out the eyeball
> > of anybody who dis'd him.  So he got a rep for being
> > vicious, but in CatLand a bunch of people got reps for
> > being insufferable jerks.
>
> Cats have a dry sense of humor.  Not many people understand them...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Dogs hate them like drivers hate cyclists.
 
On Apr 22, 8:45 pm, "ZBicyclist" <[email protected]> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
> > On Apr 21, 10:36 pm, "ZBicyclist" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>> So the statement that the lions eat banana could be understood to
> >>> mean that they'll be humbled. When the monkey was cornered by the
> >>> beast, he said, "You can eat my banana!"
>
> >> Which is a really long, labored way for Commandante Banana to admit
> >> he doesn't have a cite for lions eating bananas in the bible.- Hide
> >> quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > You can read into the Bible whatever you want. And since the lion...
>
> > (Isa. 11:6): The wolf shall also dwell with the lamb, and the leopard
> > shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the
> > fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
>
> > "The Peaceable Kingdom paintings portray a delicate balance of
> > difficult and unresolved issues. The lion-ego poses the greatest
> > threat. The wild animals are seemingly domesticated and brought into
> > line with loving kindness."
>
> >http://www2.gol.com/users/quakers/Hicks_Peaceable_Kingdom.htm
>
> > doesn't eat the other animals, he must be indeed a vegetarian.
>
> The Peaceable Kingdom paintings have never been officially recognized as
> part of the Bible.
>
> More's the pity  ;)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The Bible in being so vague is left to many interpretations. Like the
quoted above...

(Isa. 11:6):

The wolf shall also dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie
down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling
together; and a little child shall lead them.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?
 
On Apr 23, 11:17 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Apr 22, 10:38 am, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 22, 8:52 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 21, 7:25 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > > Even someone as fearful as you should be able to deal with the
> > > > occasional skinned knee.  So again:  quit whining.
>
> > > I still remember that guy that cited statistics like you, only to be
> > > killed by a drunk driver.
>
> > Yes, and I've had at least four friends killed while riding in motor
> > vehicles.  I've had four  close family members seriously injured in
> > car crashes, one of whom is mildly crippled for life.
>
> > For every bicycling fatality in the US, there are roughly 8 pedestrian
> > fatalities, roughly 60 motorist fatalities, and roughly 1000 heart
> > fatalities.
>
> > Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
> > possibilities thereof.  You go out of your way to make cycling sound
> > much more dangerous than it is.
>
> > Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike.  Who pays your
> > salary?  Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?
>
> > - Frank Krygowski
>
> Frank, you are not very smart, or you are just playing dumb. I'm
> saying IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE because I propose to fix it. That's why
> I speak about "the revolution" and coming out of the jungle. You, on
> the other hand, want to deny something so obvious that you look either
> out of touch with reality or have an agenda in mind, and offer no hope
> other than rider training or mental toughness. How about the stupid
> drivers and the stupid traffic laws out there? Haven't you noticed the
> few cyclists that dare commute to work in America (a pitiful .4% of
> the total commuting population) mostly ride on the sidewalks? So *YOU*
> are the one defending the status quo, one where GM and Exxon thrive,
> one where size matters, and rats run for their lives...
>
> The Art of Urban Cycling: Lessons from the Street
>
> "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets are
> ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry. As if that
> weren’t enough, the urban cyclist must carry the weight of history
> along on every ride.
> After a brief heyday at the turn of the twentieth century, American
> cyclists fell out of the social consciousness, becoming an
> afterthought when our cities were planned and built. Cyclists today
> are left to navigate, like rats in a sewer, through a hard and
> unsympathetic world that was not made for them. Yet, with the proper
> attitude and a bit of knowledge, urban cyclists can thrive in this
> hostile environment."
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Art-Urban-Cycling-Lessons-Street/dp/0762727837/...
>
> And we need to fix the sewer...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Here's a hint for you. YOU WILL NEVER FIX ANYTHING.

First off; many, many people would argue that things are not broken.

Second off, you can't possibly "win" because you cannot see the other
persons point of view. Therefore there is no compromise. Therefore
no one will listen to you. People hate zealots.

Third off, people who are going to change things don't spend every
waking hour writing in newsgroups. They get off their lazy butts and
do things. They are active for change -- not just running their
mouths.

Fourthly, change required passion. You don't have the ability to
persuade people. You just want to tell everyone how much better you
are than everyone else.

Finally, to get things done requires working with other people. It
requires communication skills. It required negotiation. It required
the devotion of a great deal of time and money. It required low
friends in high places. You seem to have none of them. You will just
remain a lonely, outspoken guy in spandex.

If you want to succeed, go get your meds adjusted.
 
On Apr 23, 3:42 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 23, 11:17 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 22, 10:38 am, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 22, 8:52 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 21, 7:25 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > > > Even someone as fearful as you should be able to deal with the
> > > > > occasional skinned knee.  So again:  quit whining.
>
> > > > I still remember that guy that cited statistics like you, only to be
> > > > killed by a drunk driver.
>
> > > Yes, and I've had at least four friends killed while riding in motor
> > > vehicles.  I've had four  close family members seriously injured in
> > > car crashes, one of whom is mildly crippled for life.
>
> > > For every bicycling fatality in the US, there are roughly 8 pedestrian
> > > fatalities, roughly 60 motorist fatalities, and roughly 1000 heart
> > > fatalities.
>
> > > Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
> > > possibilities thereof.  You go out of your way to make cycling sound
> > > much more dangerous than it is.
>
> > > Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike.  Who pays your
> > > salary?  Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?
>
> > > - Frank Krygowski
>
> > Frank, you are not very smart, or you are just playing dumb. I'm
> > saying IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE because I propose to fix it. That's why
> > I speak about "the revolution" and coming out of the jungle. You, on
> > the other hand, want to deny something so obvious that you look either
> > out of touch with reality or have an agenda in mind, and offer no hope
> > other than rider training or mental toughness. How about the stupid
> > drivers and the stupid traffic laws out there? Haven't you noticed the
> > few cyclists that dare commute to work in America (a pitiful .4% of
> > the total commuting population) mostly ride on the sidewalks? So *YOU*
> > are the one defending the status quo, one where GM and Exxon thrive,
> > one where size matters, and rats run for their lives...
>
> > The Art of Urban Cycling: Lessons from the Street
>
> > "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets are
> > ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry. As if that
> > weren’t enough, the urban cyclist must carry the weight of history
> > along on every ride.
> > After a brief heyday at the turn of the twentieth century, American
> > cyclists fell out of the social consciousness, becoming an
> > afterthought when our cities were planned and built. Cyclists today
> > are left to navigate, like rats in a sewer, through a hard and
> > unsympathetic world that was not made for them. Yet, with the proper
> > attitude and a bit of knowledge, urban cyclists can thrive in this
> > hostile environment."
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/Art-Urban-Cycling-Lessons-Street/dp/0762727837/...
>
> > And we need to fix the sewer...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Here's a hint for you.  YOU WILL NEVER FIX ANYTHING.
>
> First off; many, many people would argue that things are not broken.
>
> Second off, you can't possibly "win" because you cannot see the other
> persons point of view.  Therefore there is no compromise.  Therefore
> no one will listen to you.  People hate zealots.
>
> Third off, people who are going to change things don't spend every
> waking hour writing in newsgroups.  They get off their lazy butts and
> do things.  They are active for change -- not just running their
> mouths.
>
> Fourthly, change required passion.  You don't have the ability to
> persuade people.  You just want to tell everyone how much better you
> are than everyone else.
>
> Finally, to get things done requires working with other people. It
> requires communication skills.  It required negotiation.  It required
> the devotion of a great deal of time and money.  It required low
> friends in high places.  You seem to have none of them.  You will just
> remain a lonely, outspoken guy in spandex.
>
> If you want to succeed, go get your meds adjusted.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm so glad you came out of your depressed life in the boondocks. It's
boring, ain't it?

But you think that because you made it (?), others must survive in the
asphalt jungle where they live, and if they don't like it, move to the
boondocks!

My job though is not that of a politician, who have friend$ in very
have place$, but that of telling you what's wrong to the system and
how to fix it. The examples I give are real: the Swiss, the Danish,
the British who are explaining here how much they have advanced in the
last few years.

Before you used to live in ignorance, but now you choose to remain
ignorant. Good luck with the racoons and SUVs!
 
In article <[email protected]>,
ComandanteBanana <[email protected]> writes:
>> Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
>> possibilities thereof. =A0You go out of your way to make cycling sound
>> much more dangerous than it is.
>>
>> Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike. =A0Who pays your
>> salary? =A0Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?
>>
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> Frank, you are not very smart, or you are just playing dumb. I'm
> saying IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE because I propose to fix it.

It's not a jungle. It's a society.
Boy, are you ever warped.

> That's why
> I speak about "the revolution" and coming out of the jungle. You, on
> the other hand, want to deny something so obvious that you look either
> out of touch with reality or have an agenda in mind, and offer no hope
> other than rider training or mental toughness.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You could use a good dosage of both.

> How about the stupid
> drivers and the stupid traffic laws out there?

A non-stupid person applies his or her acumen in
dealing with stupidity. It's dirt simple & easy.

> Haven't you noticed the
> few cyclists that dare commute to work in America (a pitiful .4% of
> the total commuting population) mostly ride on the sidewalks?

No.

> So *YOU*
> are the one defending the status quo,

No, he's proposing using the status quo's
best parts, without throwing the baby out
with the bath water.

> one where GM and Exxon thrive,
> one where size matters, and rats run for their lives...

I aim at rats with my bike. Especially at night.
Those bastards are hard to run-over. I guess if I
could turn my lights off I'd have better luck.
If rats were GMO'd w/ squirrel genes, maybe we could
kill 'em with impunity.

> The Art of Urban Cycling: Lessons from the Street
>
> "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions ..."

You obviously haven't read (or understood) the whole book.
I recommend you make the attempt. It's a good book,
intended to inform & empower riders, not scare them off,
as you so cheap-shottedly invoke and malascribe it.

In fact, screw you for so doing.

As for revolutions/velorutions, it's already happening
without you. Your services are not required.

Go knit a sweater or sumpthin'.


--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
 
On Apr 24, 4:44 am, [email protected] (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>         ComandanteBanana <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >> Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
> >> possibilities thereof. =A0You go out of your way to make cycling sound
> >> much more dangerous than it is.
>
> >> Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike. =A0Who pays your
> >> salary? =A0Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?
>
> >> - Frank Krygowski
>
> > Frank, you are not very smart, or you are just playing dumb. I'm
> > saying IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE because I propose to fix it.
>
> It's not a jungle.  It's a society.
> Boy, are you ever warped.

It's a society, but arranged like a jungle. "Survival of the
fattest" (SUVs) while the bikes have to survive on sidewalks and back
alleys. (Yesterday I expanded my survival strategy by riding a dirt
road in order to avoid the Darwinistic roads. Funny, the lions that
live there forbid bikes from sidewalks.)

>
> > That's why
> > I speak about "the revolution" and coming out of the jungle. You, on
> > the other hand, want to deny something so obvious that you look either
> > out of touch with reality or have an agenda in mind, and offer no hope
> > other than rider training or mental toughness.
>
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> You could use a good dosage of both.

Well, my mind I may train to get tough, but not my body. I don't think
it'll survive a collision with an SUV.

>
> > How about the stupid
> > drivers and the stupid traffic laws out there?
>
> A non-stupid person applies his or her acumen in
> dealing with stupidity.  It's dirt simple & easy.

"You don't have to be satisfied with America as you find it. You can
change it. I didn't like the way I found America some sixty years ago,
and I've been trying to change it ever since."
- Upton Sinclair ('The Jungle')

>
> > Haven't you noticed the
> > few cyclists that dare commute to work in America (a pitiful .4% of
> > the total commuting population) mostly ride on the sidewalks?
>
> No.

You must live then in the best part of town, where biking is a hobby.
(I do live in the best part, and still got nothing.)

>
> > So *YOU*
> > are the one defending the status quo,
>
> No, he's proposing using the status quo's
> best parts, without throwing the baby out
> with the bath water.

OK, you may call it "survival strategies," but not like the bikes will
ever thrive under these conditions.

>
> > one where GM and Exxon thrive,
> > one where size matters, and rats run for their lives...
>
> I aim at rats with my bike.  Especially at night.
> Those bastards are hard to run-over.  I guess if I
> could turn my lights off I'd have better luck.
> If rats were GMO'd w/ squirrel genes, maybe we could
> kill 'em with impunity.

Rats are survivors. Perhaps we can learn a few lessons from them. They
go out at night, something the cyclists could do when there's less
traffic. I use the same techinique when going out in my canoe...fewer
motorboats. But don't forget the lights.

>
> > The Art of Urban Cycling: Lessons from the Street
>
> > "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions ..."
>
> You obviously haven't read (or understood) the whole book.
> I recommend you make the attempt.  It's a good book,
> intended to inform & empower riders, not scare them off,
> as you so cheap-shottedly invoke and malascribe it.

Well, I will read it, but it makes a good assumption from the
beginning, "It's a jungle out there, but we can help you survive it --
even if you have to play rat."

>
> In fact, screw you for so doing.
>
> As for revolutions/velorutions, it's already happening
> without you.  Your services are not required.

Coming soon...even if it to a Banana Republic in a far away land --
where there would be no vested interests.
 
On Apr 24, 4:44 am, [email protected] (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>         ComandanteBanana <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >> Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
> >> possibilities thereof. =A0You go out of your way to make cycling sound
> >> much more dangerous than it is.
>
> >> Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike. =A0Who pays your
> >> salary? =A0Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?
>
> >> - Frank Krygowski
>
> > Frank, you are not very smart, or you are just playing dumb. I'm
> > saying IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE because I propose to fix it.
>
> It's not a jungle.  It's a society.
> Boy, are you ever warped.

BINGO.

>
> > That's why
> > I speak about "the revolution" and coming out of the jungle. You, on
> > the other hand, want to deny something so obvious that you look either
> > out of touch with reality or have an agenda in mind, and offer no hope
> > other than rider training or mental toughness.
>
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> You could use a good dosage of both.

What he needs is a higher dosage of meds. They seem to be wearing
off.

>
> > How about the stupid
> > drivers and the stupid traffic laws out there?
>
> A non-stupid person applies his or her acumen in
> dealing with stupidity.  It's dirt simple & easy.
>
> > Haven't you noticed the
> > few cyclists that dare commute to work in America (a pitiful .4% of
> > the total commuting population) mostly ride on the sidewalks?
>
> No.
>
> > So *YOU*
> > are the one defending the status quo,
>
> No, he's proposing using the status quo's
> best parts, without throwing the baby out
> with the bath water.
>
> > one where GM and Exxon thrive,
> > one where size matters, and rats run for their lives...
>
> I aim at rats with my bike.  Especially at night.
> Those bastards are hard to run-over.  I guess if I
> could turn my lights off I'd have better luck.
> If rats were GMO'd w/ squirrel genes, maybe we could
> kill 'em with impunity.
>
> > The Art of Urban Cycling: Lessons from the Street
>
> > "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions ..."
>
> You obviously haven't read (or understood) the whole book.
> I recommend you make the attempt.  It's a good book,
> intended to inform & empower riders, not scare them off,
> as you so cheap-shottedly invoke and malascribe it.
>
> In fact, screw you for so doing.
>
> As for revolutions/velorutions, it's already happening
> without you.  Your services are not required.

BINGO.

>
> Go knit a sweater or sumpthin'.
>
> --
> Nothing is safe from me.
> I'm really at:
> tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
 
On Apr 23, 4:56 pm, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Apr 23, 3:42 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 23, 11:17 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 22, 10:38 am, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 22, 8:52 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 21, 7:25 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > > > > Even someone as fearful as you should be able to deal with the
> > > > > > occasional skinned knee.  So again:  quit whining.
>
> > > > > I still remember that guy that cited statistics like you, only to be
> > > > > killed by a drunk driver.
>
> > > > Yes, and I've had at least four friends killed while riding in motor
> > > > vehicles.  I've had four  close family members seriously injuredin
> > > > car crashes, one of whom is mildly crippled for life.
>
> > > > For every bicycling fatality in the US, there are roughly 8 pedestrian
> > > > fatalities, roughly 60 motorist fatalities, and roughly 1000 heart
> > > > fatalities.
>
> > > > Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
> > > > possibilities thereof.  You go out of your way to make cycling sound
> > > > much more dangerous than it is.
>
> > > > Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike.  Who pays your
> > > > salary?  Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?
>
> > > > - Frank Krygowski
>
> > > Frank, you are not very smart, or you are just playing dumb. I'm
> > > saying IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE because I propose to fix it. That's why
> > > I speak about "the revolution" and coming out of the jungle. You, on
> > > the other hand, want to deny something so obvious that you look either
> > > out of touch with reality or have an agenda in mind, and offer no hope
> > > other than rider training or mental toughness. How about the stupid
> > > drivers and the stupid traffic laws out there? Haven't you noticed the
> > > few cyclists that dare commute to work in America (a pitiful .4% of
> > > the total commuting population) mostly ride on the sidewalks? So *YOU*
> > > are the one defending the status quo, one where GM and Exxon thrive,
> > > one where size matters, and rats run for their lives...
>
> > > The Art of Urban Cycling: Lessons from the Street
>
> > > "The bicyclist is under attack from all directions - the streets are
> > > ragged, the air is poison, and the drivers are angry. As if that
> > > weren’t enough, the urban cyclist must carry the weight of history
> > > along on every ride.
> > > After a brief heyday at the turn of the twentieth century, American
> > > cyclists fell out of the social consciousness, becoming an
> > > afterthought when our cities were planned and built. Cyclists today
> > > are left to navigate, like rats in a sewer, through a hard and
> > > unsympathetic world that was not made for them. Yet, with the proper
> > > attitude and a bit of knowledge, urban cyclists can thrive in this
> > > hostile environment."
>
> > >http://www.amazon.com/Art-Urban-Cycling-Lessons-Street/dp/0762727837/....
>
> > > And we need to fix the sewer...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Here's a hint for you.  YOU WILL NEVER FIX ANYTHING.
>
> > First off; many, many people would argue that things are not broken.
>
> > Second off, you can't possibly "win" because you cannot see the other
> > persons point of view.  Therefore there is no compromise.  Therefore
> > no one will listen to you.  People hate zealots.
>
> > Third off, people who are going to change things don't spend every
> > waking hour writing in newsgroups.  They get off their lazy butts and
> > do things.  They are active for change -- not just running their
> > mouths.
>
> > Fourthly, change required passion.  You don't have the ability to
> > persuade people.  You just want to tell everyone how much better you
> > are than everyone else.
>
> > Finally, to get things done requires working with other people. It
> > requires communication skills.  It required negotiation.  It required
> > the devotion of a great deal of time and money.  It required low
> > friends in high places.  You seem to have none of them.  You will just
> > remain a lonely, outspoken guy in spandex.
>
> > If you want to succeed, go get your meds adjusted.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I'm so glad you came out of your depressed life in the boondocks. It's
> boring, ain't it?

What makes you think I have a depressed life? It's a nice place to
live. Remember, YOU are the one always *****ing about where YOU live,
not me. I like it here.

"The weather is here and I wish you were beautiful."

>
> But you think that because you made it (?), others must survive in the
> asphalt jungle where they live, and if they don't like it, move to the
> boondocks!

Sorry, but I don't understand what you're trying to say.

>
> My job though is not that of a politician, who have friend$ in very
> have place$, but that of telling you what's wrong to the system and
> how to fix it. The examples I give are real: the Swiss, the Danish,
> the British who are explaining here how much they have advanced in the
> last few years.

If they are so wonderful, go live there. Please. I'll start the
collection to buy you a one-way ticket.

See, yet more places that are more wonderful than where you are.

Look at all of the wonderful biking places of the world. Switzerland,
Denmark, England, NYC, SF, the rural area I live in. Guess what they
all have in common. Ready? YOU DON'T LIVE THERE. Get the hint?

>
> Before you used to live in ignorance, but now you choose to remain
> ignorant. Good luck with the racoons and SUVs!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The raccoons and the squirrels and the deer and the antelope are all
doing fine up here. Couldn't ask for anything more. Thank you for
your concern.

My motorcycle just got a clean bill of health -- it passed it's
inspection. So I'm looking forward to another season. But I don't
plan on having all of the troubles you had.

You know, a few years ago I took a motorcycle safety course from the
Motorcycle Safety Foundation. It was pretty informative and taught a
lot of good things about keep out of problems before they happened.
Maybe you should look into the bicycle version of that. If one
doesn't exist, maybe you should take the motorcycle version and learn
a thing or two about riding. I have ridden my whole life and still
learned some things at the course (plus got 10% off my car insurance
rates!!!).
 
On Apr 24, 10:42 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> You know, a few years ago I took a motorcycle safety course from the
> Motorcycle Safety Foundation. It was pretty informative and taught a
> lot of good things about keep out of problems before they happened.
> Maybe you should look into the bicycle version of that. If one
> doesn't exist, maybe you should take the motorcycle version and learn
> a thing or two about riding. I have ridden my whole life and still
> learned some things at the course (plus got 10% off my car insurance
> rates!!!).

The bicycle version does exist. See http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/education/index.php

Yes, bicyclists who have ridden for decades, and who think themselves
experts, will still learn enough to make the course worthwhile. And
it's fun, too.

- Frank Krygowski
 
On Apr 23, 11:17 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Apr 22, 10:38 am, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> > For every bicycling fatality in the US, there are roughly 8 pedestrian
> > fatalities, roughly 60 motorist fatalities, and roughly 1000 heart
> > fatalities.
>
> > Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
> > possibilities thereof. You go out of your way to make cycling sound
> > much more dangerous than it is.
>
> > Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike. Who pays your
> > salary? Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?
>
> Frank, you are not very smart, or you are just playing dumb. I'm
> saying IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE because I propose to fix it.

You are doing NOTHING to fix it.

You are ignoring data that shows cycling is quite safe. You are doing
all you can to make cycling sound so dangerous that nobody should ever
do it. You are scaring people away from cycling.

And why? To bring about some dream world where cars are outlawed, and/
or separate bike paths lead everywhere you wish to ride? If that's
your plan, it's deluded. In fact, it's ludicrous.

The more people believe your whining and crying, the fewer people will
cycle. If cycling drops, governments will have _less_ incentive to do
anything to make it more pleasant. (Think: How many equestrian trails
has your state installed parallel to existing roads? And why should
they, when there are so few people using horses for transportation?)

You are NOT among those contributing to a solution. You are firmly in
the camp that contributes toward the problem. Your contribution is
your constant "DANGER!!! DANGER!!!" whining and wailing.

It seems to me that you've got a large group of respondents here
telling you that you are thoroughly foolish. I see nobody saying
otherwise (although, admittedly, there are contributors whose posts I
don't read).

If your whining strategy made sense, you'd be gaining supporters. But
you are not. So quit displaying your foolishness. Quit sounding like
a deluded, paranoid crybaby.

And quit discouraging bicycling. Bicycling is NOT very dangerous. It
does us no good to pretend it is.

- Frank Krygowski
 
On Apr 24, 10:42 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:

> You know, a few years ago I took a motorcycle safety course from the
> Motorcycle Safety Foundation.  It was pretty informative and taught a
> lot of good things about keep out of problems before they happened.
> Maybe you should look into the bicycle version of that.  If one
> doesn't exist, maybe you should take the motorcycle version and learn
> a thing or two about riding.  I have ridden my whole life and still
> learned some things at the course (plus got 10% off my car insurance
> rates!!!).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And what are you doing here giving opinionated advice if you hate
cyclists? Why don't you go and give a bear hug to the bears? Beware of
predators though. I ride among them, and I tell you never to trust the
beast.
 
On Apr 24, 11:18 am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Apr 23, 11:17 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 22, 10:38 am, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > For every bicycling fatality in the US, there are roughly 8 pedestrian
> > > fatalities, roughly 60 motorist fatalities, and roughly 1000 heart
> > > fatalities.
>
> > > Yet you whine ONLY about the rare bike fatalities, or the
> > > possibilities thereof.  You go out of your way to make cycling sound
> > > much more dangerous than it is.
>
> > > Great way to discourage people from ever riding a bike.  Who pays your
> > > salary?  Is it General Motors, or is it Exxon?
>
> > Frank, you are not very smart, or you are just playing dumb. I'm
> > saying IT'S A JUNGLE OUT THERE because I propose to fix it.
>
> You are doing NOTHING to fix it.
>
> You are ignoring data that shows cycling is quite safe.  You are doing
> all you can to make cycling sound so dangerous that nobody should ever
> do it.  You are scaring people away from cycling.
>
> And why?  To bring about some dream world where cars are outlawed, and/
> or separate bike paths lead everywhere you wish to ride?  If that's
> your plan, it's deluded.  In fact, it's ludicrous.

Your agenda is coming through. I haven't said I want to ban cars, just
have a fair share of the road.

Who do you lobby for, bikes or SUVs?

>
> The more people believe your whining and crying, the fewer people will
> cycle.  If cycling drops, governments will have _less_ incentive to do
> anything to make it more pleasant.  (Think: How many equestrian trails
> has your state installed parallel to existing roads?  And why should
> they, when there are so few people using horses for transportation?)
>
> You are NOT among those contributing to a solution.  You are firmly in
> the camp that contributes toward the problem.  Your contribution is
> your constant "DANGER!!! DANGER!!!" whining and wailing.

Yep, "LION, LION!!!" and now let's put the beast in the cage.

"The wild, cruel beast is not behind the bars of the cage. He is in
front of it" -Axel Munthe

>
> It seems to me that you've got a large group of respondents here
> telling you that you are thoroughly foolish.  I see nobody saying
> otherwise (although, admittedly, there are contributors whose posts I
> don't read).
>
> If your whining strategy made sense, you'd be gaining supporters.  But
> you are not.  So quit displaying your foolishness.  Quit sounding like
> a deluded, paranoid crybaby.
>
> And quit discouraging bicycling.  Bicycling is NOT very dangerous.  It
> does us no good to pretend it is.

Take a tour through the American jungle, and you will see the monkeys
riding on the sidewalks. Plenty of them where I live (probably 10 to 1
that rides on the road properly).
 
Hey, I've found that cycling is very much like survival: PRAY FOR THE
BEST, BUT BE READY FOR THE WORST.

Some fools around here claim riding a bike is fine if you have the
mental attitude, with little concern for safety. If you know some
predator are out there (you only need one) may harm you, you better
not share the road with them. Clearly the solution is separation or
speed regulation, but they don't want either one.

It's like going into bear country with a pot of honey...
 
"Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>What makes you think I have a depressed life?

SOUNDS OK do you need it in writing.,


>It's a nice place to
live. Remember, YOU are the one always *****ing about where YOU live,
not me. I like it here.

>"The weather is here and I wish you were beautiful."

>
> But you think that because you made it (?), others must survive in the
> asphalt jungle where they live, and if they don't like it, move to the
> boondocks!

>Sorry, but I don't understand what you're trying to say.

>
> My job though is not that of a politician, who have friend$ in very
> have place$, but that of telling you what's wrong to the system and
> how to fix it. The examples I give are real: the Swiss, the Danish,
> the British who are explaining here how much they have advanced in the
> last few years.

>If they are so wonderful, go live there. Please. I'll start the
collection to buy you a one-way ticket.

>See, yet more places that are more wonderful than where you are.
>
Look at all of the wonderful biking places of the world. Switzerland,
Denmark, England, NYC, SF, the rural area I live in. Guess what they
all have in common. Ready? YOU DON'T LIVE THERE. Get the hint?

>
> Before you used to live in ignorance, but now you choose to remain
> ignorant. Good luck with the racoons and SUVs!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>The raccoons and the squirrels and the deer and the antelope are all
doing fine up here. Couldn't ask for anything more. Thank you for
your concern.

>My motorcycle just got a clean bill of health -- it passed it's
inspection. So I'm looking forward to another season. But I don't
plan on having all of the troubles you had.
>You know, a few years ago I took a motorcycle safety course from the
>Motorcycle Safety Foundation.

you have to start with the factory and their quality control

the inspector visit says only that you will have to from an omen point of
view
really enforce the new powers they gave you like control over hiring,
because
tho they may get sloppy youu know you won't

>It was pretty informative and taught a
>lot of good things about keep out of problems before they happened.

pfft shut up


>Maybe you should look into the bicycle version of that.

this is good


> If one
>doesn't exist, maybe you should take the motorcycle version and learn
>a thing or two about riding.

rat on (animal lab joke)

>I have ridden my whole life and still
learned some things at the course (plus got 10% off my car insurance
rates!!!).

blah blah blah not interesting, if you are happy DUDE go for it


mk5000

" Hmm, in the various Faust versions, Mephistopheles is both tempter and
captive of Faust. Mephistopheles makes a deal with God to allow him to
tempt Faust but in visiting Faust he is trapped by Faust's spell (or
allows himself to be trapped)."-Elsie-
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Amy Blankenship" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> "ComandanteBanana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> On Apr 22, 12:35 pm, "Amy Blankenship"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Cats have a dry sense of humor. Not many people understand them...- Hide
>>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Dogs hate them like drivers hate cyclists.
> -----------
> I guess my dogs didn't get the memo.

Perhaps strangely, cats & bunnies can get along
just fine, too.

My last dog suffered a stroke while chasing a stray
cat and jumping the fence. I took the stray cat in.
The cat and the dog subsequently became best buddies,
although the dog came away with a crooked, Moby ****
face after that.

That cat was the one who'd kill a dozen mice in a
single night and leave them on display in a neat row
at the bottom of the back stairs, all lined-up
head-to-head and tail-to-tail. He took pride in
his work.

He preferred his Purina Cat Chow to be soaked with
a little bit of warm water so he could pretend they
were alive. He'd growl at those bits and fling them
all over the place until he ate them. But he never
left a mess on the floor.

He liked it when I didn't shave for a couple of days,
'cuz rubbing his fur against my copious whiskers somehow
felt good to him. (Felt like Velcro to me.)

He's the one who was run-over by a car. Whomever
killed him should have some bad karma on his ass,
'cuz that driver snuffed a Nice Guy.


--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
 
Pat in Upstate New York wrote:
> [...]
> The raccoons and the squirrels and the deer and the antelope are all
> doing fine up here.[...]

Antelope?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
On Apr 25, 5:19 am, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Pat in Upstate New York wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > The raccoons and the squirrels and the deer and the antelope are all
> > doing fine up here.[...]
>
> Antelope?
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Yep, antelopes for the lions that live in the boondocks.

They ride motorcycle and put their nose where doesn't belong.
 
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