Doping Admission By Lance To His Cancer Physician??



B

B. Lafferty

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From ProCycling today:
http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=5390
The fruit of three years of extensive research, the book retraces Armstrong'
s childhood, his cycling career both before and after his treatment for
testicular cancer in 1996, and the background to his record-breaking Tour de
France exploits. Where it differs from a simple biography is in what Walsh
himself admits is "circumstantial evidence" for Armstrong using performance
enhancing drugs. This includes alleged proof of extravagant variations in
Armstrong's haematocrit, of organised EPO use in the Motorola team in the
mid-1990s, and Armstrong's admission of drug use in front of a doctor who
treated him for cancer in Indiana, USA, in 1996.

It will be interesting to see how this is substantiated in the book.
 
"B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> From ProCycling today:
> http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=5390
> The fruit of three years of extensive research, the book retraces

Armstrong'
> s childhood, his cycling career both before and after his treatment for
> testicular cancer in 1996, and the background to his record-breaking Tour

de
> France exploits. Where it differs from a simple biography is in what Walsh
> himself admits is "circumstantial evidence" for Armstrong using

performance
> enhancing drugs. This includes alleged proof of extravagant variations in
> Armstrong's haematocrit, of organised EPO use in the Motorola team in the
> mid-1990s, and Armstrong's admission of drug use in front of a doctor who
> treated him for cancer in Indiana, USA, in 1996.
>
> It will be interesting to see how this is substantiated in the book.



and I would seriously doubt that the oncologist, I believe Dr. Nichols?,
would divulge that kind of information to anyone, nor are his Med Records
items of public record.
Dave
 
"Dave H" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > From ProCycling today:
> > http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=5390
> > The fruit of three years of extensive research, the book retraces

> Armstrong'
> > s childhood, his cycling career both before and after his treatment for
> > testicular cancer in 1996, and the background to his record-breaking

Tour
> de
> > France exploits. Where it differs from a simple biography is in what

Walsh
> > himself admits is "circumstantial evidence" for Armstrong using

> performance
> > enhancing drugs. This includes alleged proof of extravagant variations

in
> > Armstrong's haematocrit, of organised EPO use in the Motorola team in

the
> > mid-1990s, and Armstrong's admission of drug use in front of a doctor

who
> > treated him for cancer in Indiana, USA, in 1996.
> >
> > It will be interesting to see how this is substantiated in the book.

>
>
> and I would seriously doubt that the oncologist, I believe Dr. Nichols?,
> would divulge that kind of information to anyone, nor are his Med Records
> items of public record.
> Dave


We'll just have to read the book. It does raise questions as to the
patient/doctor privelege and what it covers in this instance. .
 
"B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave H" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > From ProCycling today:
> > > http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=5390
> > > The fruit of three years of extensive research, the book retraces

> > Armstrong'
> > > s childhood, his cycling career both before and after his treatment

for
> > > testicular cancer in 1996, and the background to his record-breaking

> Tour
> > de
> > > France exploits. Where it differs from a simple biography is in what

> Walsh
> > > himself admits is "circumstantial evidence" for Armstrong using

> > performance
> > > enhancing drugs. This includes alleged proof of extravagant variations

> in
> > > Armstrong's haematocrit, of organised EPO use in the Motorola team in

> the
> > > mid-1990s, and Armstrong's admission of drug use in front of a doctor

> who
> > > treated him for cancer in Indiana, USA, in 1996.
> > >
> > > It will be interesting to see how this is substantiated in the book.

> >
> >
> > and I would seriously doubt that the oncologist, I believe Dr. Nichols?,
> > would divulge that kind of information to anyone, nor are his Med

Records
> > items of public record.
> > Dave

>
> We'll just have to read the book. It does raise questions as to the
> patient/doctor privelege and what it covers in this instance. .



I could see them being "leaked" somehow, It isn't to difficult, in fact not
at all, for a hospital employee to gain access to past medical records
unless they have been securely sealed for some reason.

Dave
 
"Dave H" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Dave H" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > From ProCycling today:
> > > > http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=5390
> > > > The fruit of three years of extensive research, the book retraces
> > > Armstrong'
> > > > s childhood, his cycling career both before and after his treatment

> for
> > > > testicular cancer in 1996, and the background to his record-breaking

> > Tour
> > > de
> > > > France exploits. Where it differs from a simple biography is in what

> > Walsh
> > > > himself admits is "circumstantial evidence" for Armstrong using
> > > performance
> > > > enhancing drugs. This includes alleged proof of extravagant

variations
> > in
> > > > Armstrong's haematocrit, of organised EPO use in the Motorola team

in
> > the
> > > > mid-1990s, and Armstrong's admission of drug use in front of a

doctor
> > who
> > > > treated him for cancer in Indiana, USA, in 1996.
> > > >
> > > > It will be interesting to see how this is substantiated in the book.
> > >
> > >
> > > and I would seriously doubt that the oncologist, I believe Dr.

Nichols?,
> > > would divulge that kind of information to anyone, nor are his Med

> Records
> > > items of public record.
> > > Dave

> >
> > We'll just have to read the book. It does raise questions as to the
> > patient/doctor privelege and what it covers in this instance. .

>
>
> I could see them being "leaked" somehow, It isn't to difficult, in fact

not
> at all, for a hospital employee to gain access to past medical records
> unless they have been securely sealed for some reason.


But if the accusation is that Lance was doping before he had cancer, wasn't
he far less successful before he had cancer?
 
"Gooserider" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Dave H" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Dave H" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > From ProCycling today:
> > > > > http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=5390
> > > > > The fruit of three years of extensive research, the book retraces
> > > > Armstrong'
> > > > > s childhood, his cycling career both before and after his

treatment
> > for
> > > > > testicular cancer in 1996, and the background to his

record-breaking
> > > Tour
> > > > de
> > > > > France exploits. Where it differs from a simple biography is in

what
> > > Walsh
> > > > > himself admits is "circumstantial evidence" for Armstrong using
> > > > performance
> > > > > enhancing drugs. This includes alleged proof of extravagant

> variations
> > > in
> > > > > Armstrong's haematocrit, of organised EPO use in the Motorola team

> in
> > > the
> > > > > mid-1990s, and Armstrong's admission of drug use in front of a

> doctor
> > > who
> > > > > treated him for cancer in Indiana, USA, in 1996.
> > > > >
> > > > > It will be interesting to see how this is substantiated in the

book.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > and I would seriously doubt that the oncologist, I believe Dr.

> Nichols?,
> > > > would divulge that kind of information to anyone, nor are his Med

> > Records
> > > > items of public record.
> > > > Dave
> > >
> > > We'll just have to read the book. It does raise questions as to the
> > > patient/doctor privelege and what it covers in this instance. .

> >
> >
> > I could see them being "leaked" somehow, It isn't to difficult, in fact

> not
> > at all, for a hospital employee to gain access to past medical records
> > unless they have been securely sealed for some reason.

>
> But if the accusation is that Lance was doping before he had cancer,

wasn't
> he far less successful before he had cancer?


He certainly was less successful, but there are a number of factors that
would contribute to that.
 
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:23:50 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>We'll just have to read the book. It does raise questions as to the
>patient/doctor privelege and what it covers in this instance. .


If you're a (former) trial lawyer how come you can't spell privilege?

Sorry for the "spelling" troll - but it's ludicrous when an elitist
blowhard - especially one who flaunts tri-lingual fluency - ***** up
using his native tongue.
 
"B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave H" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > From ProCycling today:
> > > http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=5390
> > > The fruit of three years of extensive research, the book retraces

> > Armstrong'
> > > s childhood, his cycling career both before and after his treatment

for
> > > testicular cancer in 1996, and the background to his record-breaking

> Tour
> > de
> > > France exploits. Where it differs from a simple biography is in what

> Walsh
> > > himself admits is "circumstantial evidence" for Armstrong using

> > performance
> > > enhancing drugs. This includes alleged proof of extravagant variations

> in
> > > Armstrong's haematocrit, of organised EPO use in the Motorola team in

> the
> > > mid-1990s, and Armstrong's admission of drug use in front of a doctor

> who
> > > treated him for cancer in Indiana, USA, in 1996.
> > >
> > > It will be interesting to see how this is substantiated in the book.

> >
> >
> > and I would seriously doubt that the oncologist, I believe Dr. Nichols?,
> > would divulge that kind of information to anyone, nor are his Med

Records
> > items of public record.
> > Dave

>
> We'll just have to read the book. It does raise questions as to the
> patient/doctor privelege and what it covers in this instance. .


yeah, and I'll also waste my money on a Globe the next time I'm waiting to
pay for my groceries.

Dave
 
"Gooserider" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de :
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>
> But if the accusation is that Lance was doping before he had cancer,

wasn't
> he far less successful before he had cancer?
>

Maybe that's what LA means : took the drugs, but they didn't enhance
performance, hence he never took performance enhancing drugs ???
--
Bonne route,

Sandy
Paris FR
 
"Pistof" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > We'll just have to read the book. It does raise questions as to the
> > patient/doctor privelege and what it covers in this instance. .

>
> yeah, and I'll also waste my money on a Globe the next time I'm waiting to
> pay for my groceries.
>
> Dave


Read what O'Grady has to say about your position:

Friday's foaming rant: Shooting the messenger
By Patrick O'Grady
VeloNews editor at large
This report filed June 18, 2004

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations,
or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and
evidence.

John Adams
Argument in Defense of the [British] Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials
[December 1770]

Okay, how many of you out there have read "LA Confidential - The Secrets of
Lance Armstrong?" Raise your hands. Nobody? Not a single, solitary one of
you?

Then shut the hell up about it already.

Didn't a teacher ever smack you down for trying to bluff your way through a
question about a book you hadn't read? Never heard the old saw about
opinions and a-holes - how everybody has one and thinks it's the other guy's
that stinks? And they say the Irish never let facts sway them in the face of
higher truth; I've yet to see a bog-trotter who could trump an American
sports fan when it comes to matters of faith.

Author David Walsh is Irish, but he appears to have an interest in facts
nonetheless. Honored thrice as Sportswriter of the Year during the British
Press Awards, most recently just three months ago, Walsh has covered the
Tour de France 18 times and written a number of other books, including the
biography of another heralded Mick, the inimitable Sean Kelly.

His co-author, Pierre Ballester, is a former cycling writer for the French
sports daily L'Equipe and the ghost writer behind "Breaking The Chain" by
***** Voet, the tale of the Festina affair that nearly upended the 1998 Tour
de France.

In short, these guys have some chops, a little time on the job. They get a
little closer to the action than you or I do. And when you deride them as
fabricators, scandal-mongers and money-sucking scum, without so much as a
glance at their work, you are doing what you accuse them and the rest of the
press of doing - making it all up, without a shred of evidence to support
your point of view.

This eagerness to shoot the messenger is hardly of recent vintage. "Nobody
likes the man who brings bad news," as Sophocles noted, and a couple
thousand years after he said it journalists as a class enjoy the respect and
admiration normally accorded child molesters, necrophiliacs and IRS
auditors, thanks to fabricators like Jayson Blair, Stephen Glass and Janet
Cooke, and to the hordes of sluggardly, talentless hacks infesting many a
newsroom nationwide.

Still, there are a few reportorial diamonds to be found among the lumps of
coal, and you'd know very little about your world, the good or the bad,
without them. I'm not talking about the Woodwards and Bernsteins here,
either; I'm talking about the guys who cover the cops, courts, school boards
and city councils, working long shifts for short wages. Newswriting, like
bicycle racing, is mostly hard, thankless work, and only a very few get rich
and famous doing it.

Like you, I haven't read "LA Confidential." My French depends upon
Babelfish, a pocket-edition Webster's and a hazy recollection of what few
phrases I picked up as a tyke in Ottawa. But from what I've read about the
book, Walsh and Ballester don't claim to be in possession of the truth,
merely of a few facts. They propose that you examine what they believe to be
the facts and make up your own minds as to whether they add up to a smoking
gun. A partnership is implied. When you clap your hands to your ears, shut
your eyes and shout, "LA LA LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEEEEARRRR YOOOOUUUUU," you
are declining to shoulder your fair share of the burden of staying informed.

I've never met Walsh or Ballester, nor do I have their experience covering
elite European racing. As for Lance, I've spoken with him exactly twice,
once before his diagnosis and once afterward. What I know about him, and
them, is what I've been told by journalists - some of them real ink-stained
wretches, others no more than fans with laptops. If it ever comes out in
English, "LA Confidential" will provide yet another perspective on the
five-time Tour winner, as will the authors' legal combat with their outraged
subject. Whether we will ever learn "the truth" is anybody's guess.

Frankly, whether Lance has engaged in questionable practices is not (or
should not be) on a par with the "third-rate burglary" that brought down an
American president, or the specious arguments for warfare that may bring
down another. Lance is a wealthy, talented athlete, an entertainer, a guy
who gets paid to do what he does because we all like to watch. Nevertheless,
if you count yourself a serious student of the sport, you should have the
intellectual curiosity to take a good, hard look at him, warts and all.

The media being what they are, there will always be plenty of eager hands to
polish the halos of the gods. It takes a firmer hand to point out any grimy
tracks their feet of clay may leave on the world's stage.



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Doug Taylor <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:23:50 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >We'll just have to read the book. It does raise questions as to the
> >patient/doctor privelege and what it covers in this instance. .

>
> If you're a (former) trial lawyer how come you can't spell privilege?
>
> Sorry for the "spelling" troll - but it's ludicrous when an elitist
> blowhard - especially one who flaunts tri-lingual fluency - ***** up
> using his native tongue.


YOUR USE OF BAD WORD IS MORE LUDICROUS!!!
 
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"Doug Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:23:50 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >We'll just have to read the book. It does raise questions as to the
> >patient/doctor privelege and what it covers in this instance. .

>
> If you're a (former) trial lawyer how come you can't spell privilege?


The first point is that when someone posts an article with one character
incorrect, you should assume it is a typographical error and not a spelling
error.

> Sorry for the "spelling" troll -


What is a "spelling troll"? So few people seem to understand the
language...what is up with you? I think you meant "flame". Please study the
language to much higher proficiency before you flame others for errors that
could easily be attributed to typing.

>but it's ludicrous when an elitist
> blowhard - especially one who flaunts tri-lingual fluency - ***** up
> using his native tongue.


Yes it is, but where do you demonstrate fluency in any language (forget
about 3 for now)?
 
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:11:38 -0700, "Chris"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>What is a "spelling troll"? So few people seem to understand the
>language...what is up with you? I think you meant "flame". Please study the
>language to much higher proficiency before you flame others for errors that
>could easily be attributed to typing.


It was a flame at laff-at-me and a troll for your response.

As for laff-at-me, what kind of lawyer misspells lawyer terms of art?
If you're going to showboat your erudition and pontificate in three
languages, use the ****ing spell checker.
 
"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> 3
> "Doug Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:eek:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:23:50 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >We'll just have to read the book. It does raise questions as to the
> > >patient/doctor privelege and what it covers in this instance. .

> >
> > If you're a (former) trial lawyer how come you can't spell privilege?

>
> The first point is that when someone posts an article with one character
> incorrect, you should assume it is a typographical error and not a spelling
> error.


not necessarily. You would expect a typo to be the likely culprit if
the typist inserted a letter that came from a key to the left or right
of the preceding letter or the letter that is supposed to be there.
Another case could be if they inadvertantly left out a letter in their
typing frenzy. In the word "privilege" the "e" key is nowhere near
the preceding "v" key, nor near the "i" key. Thus, it is highly
unlikely to be a type and most likely a spelling error.

>
> > Sorry for the "spelling" troll -

>
> What is a "spelling troll"? So few people seem to understand the
> language...what is up with you? I think you meant "flame".


Please study the
> language to much higher proficiency before you flame others for errors that
> could easily be attributed to typing.


no, it can't, in this case.

>
> >but it's ludicrous when an elitist
> > blowhard - especially one who flaunts tri-lingual fluency - ***** up
> > using his native tongue.

>
> Yes it is, but where do you demonstrate fluency in any language (forget
> about 3 for now)?


Why so eager to jump to Lafferty's defense? The poster you criticize
was half-right and half-wrong. As were you. Actually, the previous
poster was more than half-right, as his description of Lafferty as an
elitist blowhard fits pretty well, from what I've read of Lafferty's
posts.
 
no_pro wrote:

> not necessarily. You would expect a typo to be the likely culprit if
> the typist inserted a letter that came from a key to the left or right
> of the preceding letter or the letter that is supposed to be there.
> Another case could be if they inadvertantly left out a letter in their
> typing frenzy. In the word "privilege" the "e" key is nowhere near
> the preceding "v" key, nor near the "i" key. Thus, it is highly


> unlikely to be a type and most likely a spelling error.


Petard. Your own. Hoist by.
 
Stewart Fleming <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> no_pro wrote:
>
> > not necessarily. You would expect a typo to be the likely culprit if
> > the typist inserted a letter that came from a key to the left or right
> > of the preceding letter or the letter that is supposed to be there.
> > Another case could be if they inadvertantly left out a letter in their
> > typing frenzy. In the word "privilege" the "e" key is nowhere near
> > the preceding "v" key, nor near the "i" key. Thus, it is highly

>
> > unlikely to be a type and most likely a spelling error.

>
> Petard. Your own. Hoist by.


Doh!