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  1. Just got a look at this book at B&N and for the beginner and intermediate
    rider I highly recommend. Very useful info, clear and well-documented, with
    current research. Heck you can benefit even if you're in your 30s or 40s
    and are ready for some technical information to help you.

    One particularly infomative section gave me some answers on adaptation to
    exercise, in which he discusses how increasing intensity causes a temporary
    dip in performance followed by hypercompensation; for peaking he recommends
    dropping frequency but keeping the intensity high, and soforth.

    There's a little too much of the 'training tables' but lots of good info
    suitable for the layperson, IMO, and some nice training tips for those
    contemplating their first Century.

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0880117370/qid=1094001560/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/103-2478582-0215041?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    or

    http://tinyurl.com/4gltu

    -B

  2. Badger_South said:

    Just got a look at this book at B&N and for the beginner and intermediate
    rider I highly recommend. Very useful info, clear and well-documented, with
    current research. Heck you can benefit even if you're in your 30s or 40s
    and are ready for some technical information to help you.

    One particularly infomative section gave me some answers on adaptation to
    exercise, in which he discusses how increasing intensity causes a temporary
    dip in performance followed by hypercompensation; for peaking he recommends
    dropping frequency but keeping the intensity high, and soforth.

    There's a little too much of the 'training tables' but lots of good info
    suitable for the layperson, IMO, and some nice training tips for those
    contemplating their first Century.

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0880117370/qid=1094001560/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/103-2478582-0215041?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    or

    http://tinyurl.com/4gltu

    Cool -- I'm definitely going to look for that next time I'm at B&N.

    BTW, Amazon recommends The Complete Book of Long-Distance Cycling by
    Edmund R. Burke to go with it -- I've seen the title before and was
    curious about it. Have you seen this book or know anything about it?

    -km

    --
    the black rose
    proud to be owned by a yorkie
    http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

  3. "the black rose" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    BTW, Amazon recommends The Complete Book of Long-Distance Cycling by
    Edmund R. Burke to go with it -- I've seen the title before and was
    curious about it. Have you seen this book or know anything about it?

    I read Burke's book on heart rate training. It was ironic and shocking to hear
    that he died from a heart attack (while riding) a couple of years ago. It
    increased my skepticism of "expert" advice.

    From:
    http://www.reddirtpedalers.com/WheelIssues/DisplayReprint.asp?id=147

    "How could a relatively young and apparently fit person suddenly collapse and
    die during a ride? Should the rest of us in his age range be worried, too? We
    think that Ed, who wrote extensively about training and fitness, would want
    you to have some answers.

    Here’s what we know:

    --Ed was physically inactive for at least 20 years after racing in college.

    --In 1997 he decided to get back on the bike. Overweight and nearing age 50,
    he admitted concern about his family’s history of heart disease and his own
    high cholesterol and blood pressure. "

  4. "Badger_South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Just got a look at this book at B&N and for the beginner and intermediate
    rider I highly recommend. Very useful info, clear and well-documented, with
    current research. Heck you can benefit even if you're in your 30s or 40s
    and are ready for some technical information to help you.

    I got it as a gift, I was pretty unimpressed with it.

  5. "Badger_South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Just got a look at this book at B&N and for the beginner and intermediate
    rider I highly recommend. Very useful info, clear and well-documented, with
    current research. Heck you can benefit even if you're in your 30s or 40s
    and are ready for some technical information to help you.

    I got it as a gift, I was pretty unimpressed with it.

  6. Peter Cole wrote:
    :: "the black rose" <[email hidden]> wrote
    :::
    ::: BTW, Amazon recommends The Complete Book of Long-Distance Cycling by
    ::: Edmund R. Burke to go with it -- I've seen the title before and was
    ::: curious about it. Have you seen this book or know anything about
    ::: it?
    ::
    :: I read Burke's book on heart rate training. It was ironic and
    :: shocking to hear that he died from a heart attack (while riding) a
    :: couple of years ago. It increased my skepticism of "expert" advice.
    ::
    :: From:
    :: http://www.reddirtpedalers.com/WheelIssues/DisplayReprint.asp?id=147
    ::
    :: "How could a relatively young and apparently fit person suddenly
    :: collapse and die during a ride? Should the rest of us in his age
    :: range be worried, too? We think that Ed, who wrote extensively about
    :: training and fitness, would want you to have some answers.
    ::
    :: Here’s what we know:
    ::
    :: --Ed was physically inactive for at least 20 years after racing in
    :: college.
    ::
    :: --In 1997 he decided to get back on the bike. Overweight and nearing
    :: age 50, he admitted concern about his family’s history of heart
    :: disease and his own high cholesterol and blood pressure. "

    This says nothing about his knowledge of bicycling, training, and fitness.
    It does suggest that perhaps he got busy with his career and that his family
    had a history of heart problems.

    Your post increased my skepticism of "nonexpert" advice.

  7. Peter Cole said:

    "Badger_South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Just got a look at this book at B&N and for the beginner and intermediate
    rider I highly recommend. Very useful info, clear and well-documented, with
    current research. Heck you can benefit even if you're in your 30s or 40s
    and are ready for some technical information to help you.

    I got it as a gift, I was pretty unimpressed with it.

    Note I said beginner above. It's certainly too basic for you advanced
    types.

    -B

  8. "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Peter Cole wrote:
    :: "the black rose" <[email hidden]> wrote
    :::
    ::: BTW, Amazon recommends The Complete Book of Long-Distance Cycling by
    ::: Edmund R. Burke to go with it -- I've seen the title before and was
    ::: curious about it. Have you seen this book or know anything about
    ::: it?
    ::
    :: I read Burke's book on heart rate training. It was ironic and
    :: shocking to hear that he died from a heart attack (while riding) a
    :: couple of years ago. It increased my skepticism of "expert" advice.
    ::
    :: From:
    :: http://www.reddirtpedalers.com/WheelIssues/DisplayReprint.asp?id=147
    ::
    :: "How could a relatively young and apparently fit person suddenly
    :: collapse and die during a ride? Should the rest of us in his age
    :: range be worried, too? We think that Ed, who wrote extensively about
    :: training and fitness, would want you to have some answers.
    ::
    :: Here’s what we know:
    ::
    :: --Ed was physically inactive for at least 20 years after racing in
    :: college.
    ::
    :: --In 1997 he decided to get back on the bike. Overweight and nearing
    :: age 50, he admitted concern about his family’s history of heart
    :: disease and his own high cholesterol and blood pressure. "

    This says nothing about his knowledge of bicycling, training, and fitness.
    It does suggest that perhaps he got busy with his career and that his family
    had a history of heart problems.

    My point is that he was a self-proclaimed expert on fitness, particularly
    cardio-vascular fitness. Apparently, despite known genetic factors and a
    sketchy history of personal fitness, he did not have himself tested. He also
    ignored symptoms that should have been obvious to someone with heart
    awareness.

    Quoted message said:

    Your post increased my skepticism of "nonexpert" advice.

    I don't think I was giving any advice, but I'll give some now: don't overlook
    the commonly published general medical guidelines for health and fitness.
    Exercise has a known powerful protective effect against c-v disease, but, by
    itself, it won't prevent this kind of tragedy. Too many cyclists I know think
    that because they exercise regularly and strenuously they can ignore things
    like body weight, diet, hypertension, and serum cholesterol. Survival issues
    aside (and that's a pretty big aside), clogged blood vessels limit the bodies
    performance in many ways, even before they get to the point where they're
    killing heart tissue. My criticism of such experts is that they view things
    too narrowly, there's much more going on than what a HRM will tell you.
    Fitness and health requires a much more holistic approach than you find in
    these books. I think the emphasis should be on health first, cycling
    performance second. These books end to encourage the reversal of those
    priorities. That may be OK if you're a young person only interested in racing,
    but not otherwise.

  9. "the black rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Badger_South said:

    Just got a look at this book at B&N and for the beginner and


    intermediate

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    rider I highly recommend. Very useful info, clear and well-documented,


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    current research. Heck you can benefit even if you're in your 30s or 40s
    and are ready for some technical information to help you.

    One particularly infomative section gave me some answers on adaptation


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    exercise, in which he discusses how increasing intensity causes a


    temporary

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    dip in performance followed by hypercompensation; for peaking he


    recommends

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    dropping frequency but keeping the intensity high, and soforth.

    There's a little too much of the 'training tables' but lots of good info
    suitable for the layperson, IMO, and some nice training tips for those
    contemplating their first Century.


    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0880117370/qid=1094001560/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/103-2478582-0215041?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    or

    http://tinyurl.com/4gltu

    Cool -- I'm definitely going to look for that next time I'm at B&N.

    BTW, Amazon recommends The Complete Book of Long-Distance Cycling by
    Edmund R. Burke to go with it -- I've seen the title before and was
    curious about it. Have you seen this book or know anything about it?

    That is a very, very good book, especially for beginners. It's easy to
    read, not overly technical (which Friel can sometimes be), and provides a
    lot of good, well-written advice. If I could only recommend one book for a
    beginning recreational roadie, that book would be it.

    --
    ~_-*
    ....G/ \G
    http://www.CycliStats.com
    CycliStats - Software for Cyclists

    Quoted message said:


    -km

    --
    the black rose
    proud to be owned by a yorkie
    http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

  10. Peter Cole wrote:
    || "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    || news:[email hidden]...
    ||| Peter Cole wrote:
    ||||| "the black rose" <[email hidden]> wrote
    ||||||
    |||||| BTW, Amazon recommends The Complete Book of Long-Distance
    |||||| Cycling by Edmund R. Burke to go with it -- I've seen the title
    |||||| before and was curious about it. Have you seen this book or
    |||||| know anything about
    |||||| it?
    |||||
    ||||| I read Burke's book on heart rate training. It was ironic and
    ||||| shocking to hear that he died from a heart attack (while riding) a
    ||||| couple of years ago. It increased my skepticism of "expert"
    ||||| advice.
    |||||
    ||||| From:
    ||||| http://www.reddirtpedalers.com/WheelIssues/DisplayReprint.asp?id=147
    |||||
    ||||| "How could a relatively young and apparently fit person suddenly
    ||||| collapse and die during a ride? Should the rest of us in his age
    ||||| range be worried, too? We think that Ed, who wrote extensively
    ||||| about training and fitness, would want you to have some answers.
    |||||
    ||||| Here’s what we know:
    |||||
    ||||| --Ed was physically inactive for at least 20 years after racing in
    ||||| college.
    |||||
    ||||| --In 1997 he decided to get back on the bike. Overweight and
    ||||| nearing
    ||||| age 50, he admitted concern about his family’s history of heart
    ||||| disease and his own high cholesterol and blood pressure. "
    |||
    ||| This says nothing about his knowledge of bicycling, training, and
    ||| fitness. It does suggest that perhaps he got busy with his career
    ||| and that his family had a history of heart problems.
    ||
    || My point is that he was a self-proclaimed expert on fitness,
    || particularly cardio-vascular fitness.

    From reading that page you linked, I'd say that others thought him an
    expert, and he does/did have a degree in something related to health/fitness
    as I recall. So I'd say he's more than self-proclaimed. I think your
    characterization is unfair.

    ||Apparently, despite known
    || genetic factors and a sketchy history of personal fitness, he did
    || not have himself tested. He also ignored symptoms that should have
    || been obvious to someone with heart awareness.

    I agree. However, people are imperfect and even an expert may not do what
    he/his knows ought to be done. Fear of the unknown is one simple reason for
    this. He probably meant to do it, but instead kept putting it off until it
    was too late. That's human imperfection and it doesn't negate the other
    contributions he may have made during his lifetime. While I'm not in a
    position to judge his body of work, I think others who are in a better
    position to do so thought highly of his contributions.

    ||
    ||| Your post increased my skepticism of "nonexpert" advice.
    ||
    || I don't think I was giving any advice, but I'll give some now: don't
    || overlook the commonly published general medical guidelines for
    || health and fitness. Exercise has a known powerful protective effect
    || against c-v disease, but, by itself, it won't prevent this kind of
    || tragedy. Too many cyclists I know think that because they exercise
    || regularly and strenuously they can ignore things like body weight,
    || diet, hypertension, and serum cholesterol. Survival issues aside
    || (and that's a pretty big aside), clogged blood vessels limit the
    || bodies performance in many ways, even before they get to the point
    || where they're killing heart tissue. My criticism of such experts is
    || that they view things too narrowly, there's much more going on than
    || what a HRM will tell you. Fitness and health requires a much more
    || holistic approach than you find in these books. I think the emphasis
    || should be on health first, cycling performance second. These books
    || end to encourage the reversal of those priorities. That may be OK if
    || you're a young person only interested in racing, but not otherwise.

    Well, I get your point and it is a good one in general. However, the man
    was writing about cycling performance, so that forces him to narrow his
    point of view. It very likely would have been out of his area of expertise
    to write about worrying about clogged blood vessels, killing heart tissue,
    and etc. There are other sources of information on those topics and this
    author would definitely have been outside (based what little i know of this
    background, mind you) his expertise to write about those matters. As I see
    things, his books were definitely not about health, and they are not even
    about fitness in general, but they are about cycling fitness and related
    matters. IMO, in that area his contributions are worthy.

  11. "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    As I see
    things, his books were definitely not about health, and they are not even
    about fitness in general, but they are about cycling fitness and related
    matters. IMO, in that area his contributions are worthy.

    That is my point, that it is dubious to separate fitness and "cycling
    fitness".

  12. Peter Cole wrote:
    || "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote
    ||| As I see
    ||| things, his books were definitely not about health, and they are
    ||| not even about fitness in general, but they are about cycling
    ||| fitness and related matters. IMO, in that area his contributions
    ||| are worthy.
    ||
    || That is my point, that it is dubious to separate fitness and "cycling
    || fitness".

    I disagree. Fitness is defined based on one's ability to perform a task.
    Being 'bicycle fit' is not the same thing as being fit to run a long
    distance race or to sprint, or to swim, or to whatever.

  13. I was in my mid 30's when I started bicycling for exercise. My long time cycling friend gave me this advice:

    Ride the bike, and, if your legs start to burn, shift to a lower gear; if your lungs start to burn shift to a higher gear.

    Then after Greg LeMond won the Tour de France, I adopted his doctrine: turn the cranks at 90 rpm or faster.

    These two core pieces of advice still work for me today...

    So, what's this got to do with a book recommendation? Nothing.

    Badger_South said:

    Just got a look at this book at B&N and for the beginner and intermediate
    rider I highly recommend. Very useful info, clear and well-documented, with
    current research. Heck you can benefit even if you're in your 30s or 40s
    and are ready for some technical information to help you.

    One particularly infomative section gave me some answers on adaptation to
    exercise, in which he discusses how increasing intensity causes a temporary
    dip in performance followed by hypercompensation; for peaking he recommends
    dropping frequency but keeping the intensity high, and soforth.

    There's a little too much of the 'training tables' but lots of good info
    suitable for the layperson, IMO, and some nice training tips for those
    contemplating their first Century.

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0880117370/qid=1094001560/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/103-2478582-0215041?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    or

    http://tinyurl.com/4gltu

    -B

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