do you see any tension here?

"gym gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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No, why, do you?

gym gravity <[email hidden]> wrote in news:2qp4h3F12fhhqU1@uni-
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No, no pressure. This photo is during Stage 11. Landis has Valverde,
Mancebo, Nozal and Heras nipping at his heels in the GC. Stage 12 is a
monster mountain stage. With any one of those four outstanding climbers
capable of blowing the race open on Stage 12, no, I wouldn't expect any
tension or worry to be visible at all on Bruyneel's face. Nope. No pressure
at all.

Maybe Johan is constipated. He does have to sit in that car all day.

CH

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Tom Kunich said:

"gym gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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No, why, do you?

I was thinking things like, "Floyd, my man, you're hanging onto that
jersey by a thread. I know you're tired from the Tour, do you really
have it in you to win? Or even win a stage? Seeing as how you're
leaving us next year, I think we'll stick with the plan to go for stage
wins. You're on your own on stage 12, you've been dropped the past few
days and I can't afford to do the Blue Train if I don't think you'll be
able to work it."

Or, "Johan, what the [censored] are you doing, we'll need Zabriskie for hard
tempo on stage 12? At this rate, he's going to need help climbing the
podium today, let alone tear the legs off all the competition two days
from now."

chris said:

Maybe Johan is constipated. He does have to sit in that car all day.

I was thinking more like "Hey Johan, have you been sneaking my
super-concentrated lemon sports drink again?"

JLS
--
James "What's Flemish for 'sourpuss?'" Scott
www.jls.cx

gym gravity <[email hidden]> wrote :

Quoted message said:

I was thinking things like, "Floyd, my man, you're hanging onto that
jersey by a thread. I know you're tired from the Tour, do you really
have it in you to win? Or even win a stage? Seeing as how you're
leaving us next year, I think we'll stick with the plan to go for stage
wins. You're on your own on stage 12, you've been dropped the past few
days and I can't afford to do the Blue Train if I don't think you'll be
able to work it."

Or, "Johan, what the [censored] are you doing, we'll need Zabriskie for hard
tempo on stage 12? At this rate, he's going to need help climbing the
podium today, let alone tear the legs off all the competition two days
from now."

The rest of the team didn't have to put their noses in the wind to
make tempo for even a second, even though they have the jersey. Other
teams had to ride on the front. And Zabriskie got an extra day to
recover since it is a rest day. He'll probably still be worked, but
they'll manage.

Also, turning down chances at stage wins is rarely a good idea.

James Scott said:

James "What's Flemish for 'sourpuss?'" Scott

Flemish Is Not A Language. Johan speaks Dutch. And 'zuurpruim'.

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Flemish Is Not A Language. Johan speaks Dutch.

My mistake.

Quoted message said:

And 'zuurpruim'.

Dank je.

JLS
--
James "Now how about 'updog?'" Scott
www.jls.cx

Benjamin Weiner said:

The rest of the team didn't have to put their noses in the wind to
make tempo for even a second, even though they have the jersey. Other
teams had to ride on the front. And Zabriskie got an extra day to
recover since it is a rest day. He'll probably still be worked, but
they'll manage.

Also, turning down chances at stage wins is rarely a good idea.

I know, I know, I know. But did you see this (CN):

Vuelta friction: Hamilton and USPS at odds
By Tim Maloney, European Editor

There were reportedly some weird vibes going on between Phonak's Tyler
Hamilton and his former teammates of USPS-Berry Floor on Monday's Stage
10 to Xorret de Catí. While Roberto Heras and Alejandro Valverde gained
some time on Vuelta a España front runner Floyd Landis on the Cat. 1
Alto Xorret de Catí, the determined American maintained his golden tunic
of leadership by just nine seconds over Valverde. But on that steep,
final ascent, Hamilton began yelling at USPS rider Triki Beltran to ride
harder, which astonished the Spanish rider, who trying to maintain his
tempo on the difficult climb.

When Hamilton descended Alto Xorret de Catí post-stage, he stopped to
chat to USPS director Dirk Demol, who was surprised to hear the Phonak
leader saying that he thought that the Postal squad should have ridden
harder to support Floyd on Stage 10. Reached on rest day number one in
Agua Dulce, team director Johan Bruyneel told Cyclingnews, "Dirk told me
after the stage what Tyler said to him and I was very surprised. I'm
really not happy with these comments from Tyler because we all know that
our team has been supporting Floyd one hundred percent at the Vuelta a
España. Everybody, without exception. Tyler is out of line...sure he can
have his opinion on anything, but he should keep it to himself."

Bruyneel explained further that, "Floyd has told me and Dirk and the
team how he's been really satisfied about the support we've given him at
the Vuelta; from the Team Time Trial and every other stage, especially
after Stage 10 on Monday. We've been defending the race win with
everything we have. We want to win the Vuelta and it's disappointing to
me that a rider of Tyler's stature expresses himself this way... perhaps
he should make sure his team is OK first."

Benjamin Weiner said:

The rest of the team didn't have to put their noses in the wind to
make tempo for even a second, even though they have the jersey. Other
teams had to ride on the front. And Zabriskie got an extra day to
recover since it is a rest day. He'll probably still be worked, but
they'll manage.

Also, turning down chances at stage wins is rarely a good idea.

I know, I know, I know. But did you see this (CN):

Vuelta friction: Hamilton and USPS at odds
By Tim Maloney, European Editor

There were reportedly some weird vibes going on between Phonak's Tyler
Hamilton and his former teammates of USPS-Berry Floor on Monday's Stage
10 to Xorret de Catí. While Roberto Heras and Alejandro Valverde gained
some time on Vuelta a España front runner Floyd Landis on the Cat. 1
Alto Xorret de Catí, the determined American maintained his golden tunic
of leadership by just nine seconds over Valverde. But on that steep,
final ascent, Hamilton began yelling at USPS rider Triki Beltran to ride
harder, which astonished the Spanish rider, who trying to maintain his
tempo on the difficult climb.

When Hamilton descended Alto Xorret de Catí post-stage, he stopped to
chat to USPS director Dirk Demol, who was surprised to hear the Phonak
leader saying that he thought that the Postal squad should have ridden
harder to support Floyd on Stage 10. Reached on rest day number one in
Agua Dulce, team director Johan Bruyneel told Cyclingnews, "Dirk told me
after the stage what Tyler said to him and I was very surprised. I'm
really not happy with these comments from Tyler because we all know that
our team has been supporting Floyd one hundred percent at the Vuelta a
España. Everybody, without exception. Tyler is out of line...sure he can
have his opinion on anything, but he should keep it to himself."

Bruyneel explained further that, "Floyd has told me and Dirk and the
team how he's been really satisfied about the support we've given him at
the Vuelta; from the Team Time Trial and every other stage, especially
after Stage 10 on Monday. We've been defending the race win with
everything we have. We want to win the Vuelta and it's disappointing to
me that a rider of Tyler's stature expresses himself this way... perhaps
he should make sure his team is OK first."

Benjamin Weiner said:

The rest of the team didn't have to put their noses in the wind to
make tempo for even a second, even though they have the jersey. Other
teams had to ride on the front. And Zabriskie got an extra day to
recover since it is a rest day. He'll probably still be worked, but
they'll manage.

Also, turning down chances at stage wins is rarely a good idea.

I know, I know, I know. But did you see this (CN):

Vuelta friction: Hamilton and USPS at odds
By Tim Maloney, European Editor

There were reportedly some weird vibes going on between Phonak's Tyler
Hamilton and his former teammates of USPS-Berry Floor on Monday's Stage
10 to Xorret de Catí. While Roberto Heras and Alejandro Valverde gained
some time on Vuelta a España front runner Floyd Landis on the Cat. 1
Alto Xorret de Catí, the determined American maintained his golden tunic
of leadership by just nine seconds over Valverde. But on that steep,
final ascent, Hamilton began yelling at USPS rider Triki Beltran to ride
harder, which astonished the Spanish rider, who trying to maintain his
tempo on the difficult climb.

When Hamilton descended Alto Xorret de Catí post-stage, he stopped to
chat to USPS director Dirk Demol, who was surprised to hear the Phonak
leader saying that he thought that the Postal squad should have ridden
harder to support Floyd on Stage 10. Reached on rest day number one in
Agua Dulce, team director Johan Bruyneel told Cyclingnews, "Dirk told me
after the stage what Tyler said to him and I was very surprised. I'm
really not happy with these comments from Tyler because we all know that
our team has been supporting Floyd one hundred percent at the Vuelta a
España. Everybody, without exception. Tyler is out of line...sure he can
have his opinion on anything, but he should keep it to himself."

Bruyneel explained further that, "Floyd has told me and Dirk and the
team how he's been really satisfied about the support we've given him at
the Vuelta; from the Team Time Trial and every other stage, especially
after Stage 10 on Monday. We've been defending the race win with
everything we have. We want to win the Vuelta and it's disappointing to
me that a rider of Tyler's stature expresses himself this way... perhaps
he should make sure his team is OK first."

Benjamin Weiner said:

The rest of the team didn't have to put their noses in the wind to
make tempo for even a second, even though they have the jersey. Other
teams had to ride on the front. And Zabriskie got an extra day to
recover since it is a rest day. He'll probably still be worked, but
they'll manage.

Also, turning down chances at stage wins is rarely a good idea.

I know, I know, I know. But did you see this (CN):

Vuelta friction: Hamilton and USPS at odds
By Tim Maloney, European Editor

There were reportedly some weird vibes going on between Phonak's Tyler
Hamilton and his former teammates of USPS-Berry Floor on Monday's Stage
10 to Xorret de Catí. While Roberto Heras and Alejandro Valverde gained
some time on Vuelta a España front runner Floyd Landis on the Cat. 1
Alto Xorret de Catí, the determined American maintained his golden tunic
of leadership by just nine seconds over Valverde. But on that steep,
final ascent, Hamilton began yelling at USPS rider Triki Beltran to ride
harder, which astonished the Spanish rider, who trying to maintain his
tempo on the difficult climb.

When Hamilton descended Alto Xorret de Catí post-stage, he stopped to
chat to USPS director Dirk Demol, who was surprised to hear the Phonak
leader saying that he thought that the Postal squad should have ridden
harder to support Floyd on Stage 10. Reached on rest day number one in
Agua Dulce, team director Johan Bruyneel told Cyclingnews, "Dirk told me
after the stage what Tyler said to him and I was very surprised. I'm
really not happy with these comments from Tyler because we all know that
our team has been supporting Floyd one hundred percent at the Vuelta a
España. Everybody, without exception. Tyler is out of line...sure he can
have his opinion on anything, but he should keep it to himself."

Bruyneel explained further that, "Floyd has told me and Dirk and the
team how he's been really satisfied about the support we've given him at
the Vuelta; from the Team Time Trial and every other stage, especially
after Stage 10 on Monday. We've been defending the race win with
everything we have. We want to win the Vuelta and it's disappointing to
me that a rider of Tyler's stature expresses himself this way... perhaps
he should make sure his team is OK first."

"gym gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote in message>

Quoted message said:

I know, I know, I know. But did you see this (CN):

Vuelta friction: Hamilton and USPS at odds
By Tim Maloney, European Editor

<< snipped >>

Reached on rest day number one in Agua Dulce, team director Johan Bruyneel
told Cyclingnews, " ... Tyler is out of line...sure he can have his opinion
on anything, but he should keep it to himself."

Isn't that Bruyneel's opinion?

Too bad he doesn't practice what he preaches.

Carl Sundquist said:

team director Johan Bruyneel
told Cyclingnews, " ... Tyler is out of line...sure he can have his

opinion

Quoted message said:

on anything, but he should keep it to himself."

Quoted message said:

Isn't that Bruyneel's opinion?

Quoted message said:

Too bad he doesn't practice what he preaches.

Beyond that, isn't Bruyneel the one who made the exchange public? I
might be missing something, but seems like Hamilton only voiced his
opinion to those in the USPS car, not to the press.

Or is that not so?

Jim Feeley

Carl Sundquist said:

team director Johan Bruyneel
told Cyclingnews, " ... Tyler is out of line...sure he can have his

opinion

Quoted message said:

on anything, but he should keep it to himself."

Quoted message said:

Isn't that Bruyneel's opinion?

Quoted message said:

Too bad he doesn't practice what he preaches.

Beyond that, isn't Bruyneel the one who made the exchange public? I
might be missing something, but seems like Hamilton only voiced his
opinion to those in the USPS car, not to the press.

Or is that not so?

Jim Feeley

"Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

"gym gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote in message>

Quoted message said:

I know, I know, I know. But did you see this (CN):

Vuelta friction: Hamilton and USPS at odds
By Tim Maloney, European Editor

<< snipped >>

Reached on rest day number one in Agua Dulce, team director Johan Bruyneel
told Cyclingnews, " ... Tyler is out of line...sure he can have his opinion
on anything, but he should keep it to himself."

Isn't that Bruyneel's opinion?

Too bad he doesn't practice what he preaches.

My take is that Bruyneel doesn't want to hear about how Hamilton thinks
USPS whould be riding, nor does he wan't him telling Beltran how to ride.
I've got to agree on this one...

"brian roth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

My take is that Bruyneel doesn't want to hear about how Hamilton thinks
USPS whould be riding, nor does he wan't him telling Beltran how to ride.
I've got to agree on this one...

I guess Tyler isn't a 'Patron' like Lance.

I don't know what specifically Tyler said or did that precipitated the
comments from Bruyneel, but I'm surprised that Bruyneel felt the need to
make the public statement he did rather than quietly pull Tyler to the side
and express his thoughts that way. Tyler doesn't come across as the 'in your
face' type that would ignore such a request.

I think Bruyneel is pretty adept at getting at speaking with the press, so
you have to wonder what else happened that compelled Bruyneel to comment on
it the way he did.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Carl Sundquist said:

"brian roth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

My take is that Bruyneel doesn't want to hear about how Hamilton thinks
USPS whould be riding, nor does he wan't him telling Beltran how to ride.
I've got to agree on this one...

I guess Tyler isn't a 'Patron' like Lance.

I don't know what specifically Tyler said or did that precipitated the
comments from Bruyneel, but I'm surprised that Bruyneel felt the need to
make the public statement he did rather than quietly pull Tyler to the side
and express his thoughts that way. Tyler doesn't come across as the 'in your
face' type that would ignore such a request.

I think Bruyneel is pretty adept at getting at speaking with the press, so
you have to wonder what else happened that compelled Bruyneel to comment on
it the way he did.

It could be that he's not as cool with losing Landis and Pena to Phonak
as he let on.

--
tanx,
Howard

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
Albert Einstein

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On 16 Sep 2004 13:12:00 -0700, [email hidden] (brian roth)

Quoted message said:

My take is that Bruyneel doesn't want to hear about how Hamilton thinks
USPS whould be riding, nor does he wan't him telling Beltran how to ride.
I've got to agree on this one...

My take falls on two sides. One side is that someone asked him a
question and he answered it with his opinion and nothing more. Maybe
without the question, he doesn't see a need to make a comment one way
or the other. OTOH, if this is the worst he has to deal with for the
rest of the Vuelta, he's a lucky SD.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...