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Denmead Traffic Calming

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  1. Someone here brought up the topic of a traffic calming proposal in
    Denmead, Hampshire that included the spectre of 8 central islands. I'm
    sorry but I forget exactly who.

    Anyway, I was moved to sign the online petition which resulted in an
    interview with the local paper. Never did see the article.

    The decision has been made and can be found here

    http://www.hants.gov.uk/decisions/decisions-docs/040914-exeenv-R0910152304.html

    It seems that the consultation process *did* have some effect:

    "...An objection was received in respect of cycle safety at refuge
    islands. Extensive surveys, further investigations and discussions
    have subsequently taken place, resulting in a revised scheme for
    refuge islands on Hambledon Road, with a reduction from 8 to 3,
    accompanied by surface treatment to highlight the need for motorists
    to leave space for cyclists. The Cyclists' Touring Club has approved
    the new proposals...."

    So whoever it was that raised the objection and ran the cyclists'
    input, well done!

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    "...An objection was received in respect of cycle safety at refuge
    islands. Extensive surveys, further investigations and discussions
    have subsequently taken place, resulting in a revised scheme for
    refuge islands on Hambledon Road, with a reduction from 8 to 3,
    accompanied by surface treatment to highlight the need for motorists
    to leave space for cyclists. The Cyclists' Touring Club has approved
    the new proposals...."

    I wonder if "The Cyclists' Touring Club has approved the new
    proposals...." can be substantiated or is it just spin based on '3 is
    less worse than 8' and anyway at what competency level did the 'CTC'
    'approval' come from. This sort of thing is quite common where council
    officers claim black is white. (And I'm not talking shades of grey
    here!.)

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    PETER FOX Not the same since the deckchair business folded
    [email hidden]
    www.eminent.demon.co.uk/wcc.htm Witham Cycling Campaign
    www.eminent.demon.co.uk/rides East Anglian Pub cycle rides

  3. Not Responding said:

    Someone here brought up the topic of a traffic calming proposal in
    Denmead, Hampshire that included the spectre of 8 central islands. I'm
    sorry but I forget exactly who.

    Anyway, I was moved to sign the online petition which resulted in an
    interview with the local paper. Never did see the article.

    The decision has been made and can be found here

    http://www.hants.gov.uk/decisions/decisions-docs/040914-exeenv-R0910152304.html

    It seems that the consultation process *did* have some effect:

    "...An objection was received in respect of cycle safety at refuge
    islands. Extensive surveys, further investigations and discussions
    have subsequently taken place, resulting in a revised scheme for
    refuge islands on Hambledon Road, with a reduction from 8 to 3,
    accompanied by surface treatment to highlight the need for motorists
    to leave space for cyclists. The Cyclists' Touring Club has approved
    the new proposals...."

    So whoever it was that raised the objection and ran the cyclists'
    input, well done!

    It was me!

    I would like to thank you for the supportive interview and signature,
    and everyone else who signed the petition or helped in other ways
    (Howard gave me some excellent advice, etc.)

    A difference was made, but it was *very* difficult. (Many e-mails,
    letters, reports, web pages, meetings / contact with Hampshire,
    Winchester, Parish councils and councilors, CTC, Sustrans, DfT, the
    local village association, English Regions Cycling Development Team,
    local newspapers, Hampshire Cycling, Right to Ride, my MP, the police
    and others that I can't recall of the top of my head.)

    Hampshire County Council did, after a protracted period of campaign,
    listen and act. I got interest from my county and district councilors,
    but not from my parish council. In fact the parish council went as far
    as publish an inaccurate, incomplete and personal opinion 'rebuttal' in
    a local newsletter!

    To answer Peter's point, yes it was approved by two CTC / RTR
    representatives. - I think 8 to 3 is an improvement, and HCC have
    adopted a new (for them) road marking scheme.

    I intend to wait until they're built, gather experience and publish
    links to photographs and notes here and on a web page.

    Thanks again to everyone that helped.

    Mark.

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