Ferrari interview on cyclingnews.com

"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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The guy hasn't heard of watts?

Ferrarri works with the Masters Fattie:

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His method allows him to compare the performance of his athletes to the competition. If you only use
power production, you only have your own athletes values. These guys want to win races, not run
light bulbs.

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The guy hasn't heard of watts?

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"Robert Chung" wrote

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The guy hasn't heard of watts?

His method allows him to compare the performance of his athletes to the competition. If you only
use power production, you only have your own athletes values.

Why would you think that?

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His method allows him to compare the performance of his athletes to the competition. If you only
use power production, you only have your own athletes values. These guys want to win races, not
run light bulbs.

sustainable wattage/kilogram

is a more accurate measure of uphill ability.

A problem with his method is that variables like wind, though small, still affect uphill velocity.

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The guy hasn't heard of watts?

Wattage is good only for measuring performance not as a training regime function.

Hawke

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"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote

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The guy hasn't heard of watts?

Wattage is good only for measuring performance not as a training regime function.

Why would you think that?

I dunno about that. The most value comes from measuring it all the time. If you know how much power
you need to produce for an event, you can ramp up in a predictable and consistent way. In fact, the
only reason to measure it during competition is to develop training intensities.

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The guy hasn't heard of watts?

Wattage is good only for measuring performance not as a training regime function.

Hawke

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The guy hasn't heard of watts?

Well, obviously V.A.M. = W/kg if the slope is steep enough to negate the effects of wind
resistance...I therefore assumed that Ferrari has just continued to use the simple
tests/measurements he started with before powermeters were so widely available. (Clearly it helps to
have ready access to appropriate climbs as Ferrari seemingly does.)

Andy Coggan

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"Robert Chung" wrote

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cyclingnews.cominterviewsOpen ↗

The guy hasn't heard of watts?

Well, obviously V.A.M. = W/kg if the slope is steep enough to negate the effects of wind
resistance...I therefore assumed that Ferrari has just continued to use the simple
tests/measurements he started with before powermeters were so widely available. (Clearly it helps
to have ready

access

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to appropriate climbs as Ferrari seemingly does.)

Out of curiosity, did you take a glance at the (partial) articles on his website?

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"Robert Chung" wrote

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cyclingnews.cominterviewsOpen ↗

The guy hasn't heard of watts?

Well, obviously V.A.M. = W/kg if the slope is steep enough to negate the effects of wind
resistance...I therefore assumed that Ferrari has just continued to use the simple
tests/measurements he started with before powermeters were so widely available. (Clearly it
helps to have ready

access

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to appropriate climbs as Ferrari seemingly does.)

Out of curiosity, did you take a glance at the (partial) articles on his website?

No, I didn't - although a poster on another forum indicated that after taking an online interview,
the website suggested that he sign up for their standard training plan for 800 Euro. After reading
that, I realized that the cyclingnews.com was largely an informercial, i.e., the normally reticent
Dr. Ferrari decided to grant it because he's got something to sell. Not that I blame him, but it
significantly reduced my curiousity about what was on the website.

Andy Coggan

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Out of curiosity, did you take a glance at the (partial) articles on his website?

No, I didn't - although a poster on another forum indicated that after taking an online interview,
the website suggested that he sign up for

their

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standard training plan for 800 Euro. After reading that, I realized that

the

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cyclingnews.com was largely an informercial, i.e., the normally reticent

Dr.

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Ferrari decided to grant it because he's got something to sell. Not that I blame him, but it
significantly reduced my curiousity about what was on

the

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website.

Yeah, after I clicked on the site I came to the same realization. What I found interesting,
however, was the parts of the articles that he was supplying as come-ons to entice the reader into
signing up. Yow.

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"Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Out of curiosity, did you take a glance at the (partial) articles on

his

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website?

No, I didn't - although a poster on another forum indicated that after taking an online
interview, the website suggested that he sign up for

their

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standard training plan for 800 Euro. After reading that, I realized that

the

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cyclingnews.com was largely an informercial, i.e., the normally reticent

Dr.

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Ferrari decided to grant it because he's got something to sell. Not that

I

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blame him, but it significantly reduced my curiousity about what was on

the

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website.

Yeah, after I clicked on the site I came to the same realization. What I found interesting,
however, was the parts of the articles that he was supplying as come-ons to entice the reader into
signing up. Yow.

Yow? Because of the content, or simply because of the approach? Doesn't seem too likely that you're
referring to the former, since most of them only have an introductory paragraph or two...although
there's enough of the "High Pedaling Cadence" article there to show that Dr. Ferrari doesn't know
much about the factors regulating/influencing muscle blood flow. OTOH, the article "Hematocrit in
Athletes - State of the Art" was a pretty good summary of the factors affecting hematocrit, although
it doesn't focus all that much on athletes (and it doesn't reference any of the excellent research
done on the topic by David Martin of the AIS).

Maybe I should launch my own website, and charge people to read review articles I write? ;-)

Andy Coggan

In article <[email hidden]>, Andy Coggan

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Maybe I should launch my own website, and charge people to read review articles I write? ;-)

You'll put CC out of business in no time.

-WG

"Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Yeah, after I clicked on the site I came to the same realization. What I found interesting,
however, was the parts of the articles that he was supplying as come-ons to entice the reader
into signing up. Yow.

Yow? Because of the content, or simply because of the approach? Doesn't

seem

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too likely that you're referring to the former, since most of them only

have

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an introductory paragraph or two...although there's enough of the "High Pedaling Cadence"
article there to show that Dr. Ferrari doesn't know much about the factors
regulating/influencing muscle blood flow. OTOH, the article "Hematocrit in Athletes - State of
the Art" was a pretty good summary of the factors affecting hematocrit, although it doesn't
focus all that much on athletes (and it doesn't reference any of the excellent research done on
the topic by David Martin of the AIS).

I didn't get as far as the hematocrit article. My head was still vibrating after reading the
pedaling cadence and VAM things.

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"Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Yeah, after I clicked on the site I came to the same realization. What

I

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found interesting, however, was the parts of the articles that he was supplying as come-ons to
entice the reader into signing up. Yow.

Yow? Because of the content, or simply because of the approach? Doesn't

seem

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too likely that you're referring to the former, since most of them only

have

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an introductory paragraph or two...although there's enough of the "High Pedaling Cadence"
article there to show that Dr. Ferrari doesn't know

much

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about the factors regulating/influencing muscle blood flow. OTOH, the article "Hematocrit in
Athletes - State of the Art" was a pretty good summary of the factors affecting hematocrit,
although it doesn't focus

all

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that much on athletes (and it doesn't reference any of the excellent research done on the topic
by David Martin of the AIS).

I didn't get as far as the hematocrit article. My head was still vibrating after reading the
pedaling cadence and VAM things.

I got the impression during my quick perusal that you had to pay to be able to read the entire
article - is that not true?

Andy Coggan

"Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I got the impression during my quick perusal that you had to pay to be

able

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to read the entire article - is that not true?

My understanding, too. Which is sort of odd, when you think about it. You might think that if that
were the case you'd want to put your very best foot forward, or your most tantalizing bit of info up
front. That stuff about VAM and cadence turned me off.

I don't think you'd be successful selling your stuff on a website. You don't appear to be enough of
a huckster.

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"Robert Chung" wrote
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> The guy hasn't heard of watts?

Well, obviously V.A.M. = W/kg if the slope is steep enough to negate

the

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effects of wind resistance...I therefore assumed that Ferrari has just continued to use the
simple tests/measurements he started with before powermeters were so widely available.
(Clearly it helps to have ready

access

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to appropriate climbs as Ferrari seemingly does.)

Out of curiosity, did you take a glance at the (partial) articles on his website?

No, I didn't - although a poster on another forum indicated that after taking an online interview,
the website suggested that he sign up for

their

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standard training plan for 800 Euro. After reading that, I realized that

the

Quoted message said:

cyclingnews.com was largely an informercial, i.e., the normally reticent

Dr.

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Ferrari decided to grant it because he's got something to sell. Not that I blame him, but it
significantly reduced my curiousity about what was on

the

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website.

Andy Coggan

but, but, but Andy, aren't you promoting the PowerTap?

Hawke

"Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote

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> Out of curiosity, did you take a glance at the (partial) articles on

his

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> website?

No, I didn't - although a poster on another forum indicated that after taking an online
interview, the website suggested that he sign up for

their

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standard training plan for 800 Euro. After reading that, I realized

that

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the

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cyclingnews.com was largely an informercial, i.e., the normally

reticent

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Dr.

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Ferrari decided to grant it because he's got something to sell. Not

that

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I

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blame him, but it significantly reduced my curiousity about what was

on

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the

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website.

Yeah, after I clicked on the site I came to the same realization. What I found interesting,
however, was the parts of the articles that he was supplying as come-ons to entice the reader
into signing up. Yow.

Yow? Because of the content, or simply because of the approach? Doesn't

seem

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too likely that you're referring to the former, since most of them only

have

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an introductory paragraph or two...although there's enough of the "High Pedaling Cadence"
article there to show that Dr. Ferrari doesn't know much about the factors
regulating/influencing muscle blood flow. OTOH, the article "Hematocrit in Athletes - State of
the Art" was a pretty good summary of the factors affecting hematocrit, although it doesn't
focus all that much on athletes (and it doesn't reference any of the excellent research done on
the topic by David Martin of the AIS).

Maybe I should launch my own website, and charge people to read review articles I write? ;-)

Andy Coggan

Good idea, but don't give up your day job!

Hawke

A hematocrit paper: sportsci.orgAISblood.htmlOpen ↗ Mark Lee