Unprepared people

"psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Just out of curiosity, why would you carry both a frame-mounted pump AND a
CO2 inflator?

Two reasons: On long rides it is possible to get more flats than I have CO2
cartridges. I usually only carry two. Secondly, I like to use the pump to
slightly inflate the tube before replacing it in the tire. It goes in
easier that way. If that seems anal, so be it.

Dave

Roger Zoul said:

|| The oil....probably not necessary. But I HATE squeaks. Drives me
|| nuts when I ride past someone and their drivetrain squeaks,
|| especially on a NICE bike.

So, when you ride past someone with a squeaky drivetrain...what do you do?
Run them down, tell them that it drives you nuts that equipment squeaks, and
then hop off your bike and offer to oil their drivetrain?

Some contraption involving a compressor and a squirt gun comes to mind.

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(Fx199) said:

Quoted message said:

So, when you ride past someone with a squeaky drivetrain...what do you do?
Run them down, tell them that it drives you nuts that equipment squeaks, and
then hop off your bike and offer to oil their drivetrain?

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<snicker> never read about so many anal whiners in my life LOL

Yeah, squeaky drivetrains I can tolerate, but people with whining anus's ...

Zoot Katz said:

Fri, 24 Sep 2004 05:42:12 -0400, <q4S4d.4249$3n.3688@okepread06>,

Luigi de Guzman said:

And as someone else on here has already said, I'd have fixed it for them &
ridden along for a piece.

There's a thought!

Quoted message said:

And maybe gotten some ice cream.

I like the first idea better.

Always have your ice cream, where fate gives you a chance and good company.
This is one of the things I learnt on the bike.

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But then, I'm
young, unattached, and idealistic.

Me too.

Well, we all are, in geological time, right?

*grin*

-Luigi

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Marlene Blanshay said:

I'm in the bad
eyesight category. Fixing flats especially patching, requires some closeup
vision which I simply do not have while wearing my contacts. I live tfor the
day I can afford to get my eyes lasered.

If you get your eyes lasered then you can kiss that precious up close
vision good bye.

Quoted message said:

Hey dipshit, it is possible to use all your CO2 and still get another flat.
But since you probably never ride farther than to the liquor store for
another 40, this probably never occurred to you. What an [censored].

Dave

If I have the pump...why do I need the Co2?? Think hard now.

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<snicker> never read about so many anal whiners in my life LOL

Yeah, squeaky drivetrains I can tolerate, but people with whining anus's ..

what a visual....LOL

Fx199 said:

Quoted message said:

Hey dipshit, it is possible to use all your CO2 and still get
another flat. But since you probably never ride farther than to the
liquor store for another 40, this probably never occurred to you.
What an [censored].

Dave

If I have the pump...why do I need the Co2?? Think hard now.

"Need" is not the issue; hardness is.

Just yesterday I got a flat (HUGE thorn!) near the end of my ride, only ~2
miles or so from home. I pumped up the replacement tube to a barely
adequate psi, and rode the remaining distance without incident.

If I'd gotten the flat /25/ miles from home, I would probably have used a
CO2 cartridge to ensure maximum inflation pressure and hardness for the rest
of the ride. (Although, the tube might have blown as there was a pretty
large gash in the tire casing, which I didn't really see until I got home
and used a floor pump.)

I had no idea that one's flat-repair supplies was such a contentious issue!
🙂

Bill "need to decide whether to boot the tire (hole in tread) or trash it
now" S.

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Subject: Re: Unprepared people
From: "Raoul Duke" [email hidden]
Date: 9/24/2004 7:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Just out of curiosity, why would you carry both a frame-mounted pump AND a
CO2 inflator?

Two reasons: On long rides it is possible to get more flats than I have CO2
cartridges. I usually only carry two. Secondly, I like to use the pump to
slightly inflate the tube before replacing it in the tire. It goes in
easier that way. If that seems anal, so be it.

Dave

Doesn't make sense. Why not just completely fill the tire with the pump. I
don't think Co2 pumps a road tire up completely anyway. You could probably
slight blow the tube up by mouth. I pitched my Co2 stuff and got the pumps that
bolt onto the water bottle cage for my bikes.

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Tom Keats said:

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It's not about the certainty of puinctures, it's about the high
probability of a Long Walk Home if you don't carry a few items :-)

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My last LWH was the result of a busted axle.

For this I have Hope hubs ;-)

I've broken several (variety of brands) and never had to walk home, the Q/R
skewers have always held them together.

In article <PXh5d.110309$MQ5.105046@attbi_s52>,

Peter Cole said:

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Tom Keats said:

> It's not about the certainty of puinctures, it's about the high
> probability of a Long Walk Home if you don't carry a few items :-)

Quoted message said:

My last LWH was the result of a busted axle.

For this I have Hope hubs ;-)

I've broken several (variety of brands) and never had to walk home, the Q/R
skewers have always held them together.

Mine was/is an old-school nutted axle.

cheers,
Tom

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Unprepared people
From: "Bill Sornson" [email hidden]
Date: 9/25/2004 11:50 AM US Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Fx199 said:

Quoted message said:

Hey dipshit, it is possible to use all your CO2 and still get
another flat. But since you probably never ride farther than to the
liquor store for another 40, this probably never occurred to you.
What an [censored].

Dave

If I have the pump...why do I need the Co2?? Think hard now.

"Need" is not the issue; hardness is.

Just yesterday I got a flat (HUGE thorn!) near the end of my ride, only ~2
miles or so from home. I pumped up the replacement tube to a barely
adequate psi, and rode the remaining distance without incident.

If I'd gotten the flat /25/ miles from home, I would probably have used a
CO2 cartridge to ensure maximum inflation pressure and hardness for the rest
of the ride. (Although, the tube might have blown as there was a pretty
large gash in the tire casing, which I didn't really see until I got home
and used a floor pump.)

I had no idea that one's flat-repair supplies was such a contentious issue!
🙂

Bill "need to decide whether to boot the tire (hole in tread) or trash it
now" S.

Just trying to understand why you need both. Are you saying the Co2 works
BETTER than the pump? I though Co2 inflators could only get a tire so full?

Fx199 said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Unprepared people
From: "Bill Sornson" [email hidden]
Date: 9/25/2004 11:50 AM US Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Fx199 said:

> Hey dipshit, it is possible to use all your CO2 and still get
> another flat. But since you probably never ride farther than to the
> liquor store for another 40, this probably never occurred to you.
> What an [censored].
>
> Dave

If I have the pump...why do I need the Co2?? Think hard now.

"Need" is not the issue; hardness is.

Just yesterday I got a flat (HUGE thorn!) near the end of my ride,
only ~2 miles or so from home. I pumped up the replacement tube to
a barely adequate psi, and rode the remaining distance without
incident.

If I'd gotten the flat /25/ miles from home, I would probably have
used a CO2 cartridge to ensure maximum inflation pressure and
hardness for the rest of the ride. (Although, the tube might have
blown as there was a pretty large gash in the tire casing, which I
didn't really see until I got home and used a floor pump.)

I had no idea that one's flat-repair supplies was such a contentious
issue! 🙂

Bill "need to decide whether to boot the tire (hole in tread) or
trash it now" S.

Just trying to understand why you need both. Are you saying the Co2
works BETTER than the pump? I though Co2 inflators could only get a
tire so full?

There you go with "need" again. CO2 is fast and easy -- making it ideal for
races (which I hardly ever do any more) -- and in my experience gets a tire
much harder than all but the best pumps. It's kind of a "luxury item",
IMO -- sort of an indulgence -- not "necessary" by any means.

I don't carry both on MTB rides, but usually do on road rides. (Could lose
the pump on a group ride, I suppose, but it's not THAT heavy.)

Bill "tossed that Techno, BTW; Rubino back on back" S.

Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:13:27 -0400, <T8f5d.6140$3n.4464@okepread06>,

Luigi de Guzman said:

Always have your ice cream, where fate gives you a chance and good company.
This is one of the things I learnt on the bike.

That would be, for me, the Union Street Bakery. Except they're not
noted for the ice cream. It just happens to be along a well travelled
bike route on a quiet street. They've a few tables almost on the
sidewalk. It's situated in a neighbourhood that has a strong sense of
itself as a community, partly because of the bakery (and general food
store) being a natural gathering spot. It's hard to ride by if you see
one of your friends sitting there. I ride 35 minutes over there to buy
the corn bread and lay in a stock of those delicious little Portuguese
olives. Ninety five percent of the time I'll stop for a coffee and end
up meeting somebody I know or another biker I've not previously met.
Mario's Casa Gelati is just a few blocks further but its customers
generally arrive by car.
--
zk

Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:13:14 -0700, <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] (Tom Keats) wrote, in part:

Quoted message said:

But hubs ain't axles. I don't know if any axle is 100%
bulletproof. IIRC some long distance tourers who venture
into sparsely populated areas favour Phil Wood tandem hubs.

I've always felt it necessary to carry a spare rear axle on tours.
It's proved an effective talisman against breaking axles.
--
zk

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:13:14 -0700, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)

wrote in message : said:

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My last LWH was the result of a busted axle.

For this I have Hope hubs ;-)

Quoted message said:

I googled on 'em. Very pretty indeed. I also found the
Hope disc brakes intriguing.

And massively better than Magura Julies, I can tell you from personal
experience. I have Hope Mono Minis on my recumbent, and they are the
dog's nuts.

Quoted message said:

But hubs ain't axles. I don't know if any axle is 100%
bulletproof. IIRC some long distance tourers who venture
into sparsely populated areas favour Phil Wood tandem hubs.

Maybe. Actually any cassette-type hub is less likely to suffer axle
failure than a freewheel-type hub, and the Hope (with cartridge
bearings) seems to be better than the Shimano types with loose balls.
But it is also much more expensive, which is usually (not always, of
course) a sign of better quality.

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My old 6-spd freewheel'd MTB isn't worthy of such upscale
components. It might not even be worthy of a steel
seatpost that could also serve as a wrench-handle extension
for removing the freewheel.

Heh! I think we all have one bike like that :-)

Guy
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Badger_South [email hidden]

wrote in part:

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I'm riding on 700x35 kevlar tires which are a lot less
likely to flat than a skinny road bike.

Why do you think 700 x 35s are any less likely to flat than 700 x 23s? 23s may
be more susceptible to pinch flats if they are underinflated but beyond that
I've never noticed any difference between the two in flat frequency during
normal road use. Maybe I've just been lucky.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

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Luigi de Guzman [email hidden]

wrote in part:

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Zoot Katz wrote:

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But then, I'm
young, unattached, and idealistic.

Me too.

Well, we all are, in geological time, right?

He shoots..... he scores! The crowd goes wild!
Thanks for the chuckle.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Unprepared people
From: "Bill Sornson" [email hidden]
Date: 9/25/2004 3:35 PM US Eastern

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

works BETTER than the pump? I though Co2 inflators could only get a
tire so full?

There you go with "need" again. CO2 is fast and easy -- making it ideal for
races (which I hardly ever do any more) -- and in my experience gets a tire
much harder than all but the best pumps. It's kind of a "luxury item",
IMO -- sort of an indulgence -- not "necessary" by any means.

I don't carry both on MTB rides, but usually do on road rides. (Could lose
the pump on a group ride, I suppose, but it's not THAT heavy.)

Bill "tossed that Techno, BTW; Rubino back on back" S.

OK, thanks. Luckily I haven't had a flat for about 2 years now. Was carrying a
Co2 system, but was concerned that by the time I needed it, it might have
leaked, decided to get a small blackburn pump that clips beside the bottle cage
and have less stuff rattling around in my stash pouch/saddle bag. I was under
the impression a Co2 couldn't fully inflate a road tire (shrug)

"Fx199" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey dipshit, it is possible to use all your CO2 and still get another

flat.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But since you probably never ride farther than to the liquor store for
another 40, this probably never occurred to you. What an [censored].

Dave

If I have the pump...why do I need the Co2?? Think hard now.

Because pumping a tire up to 120 psi with a frame mounted pump is a pain in
the ass but only takes a couple of seconds with CO2.

Dave