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  1. To all cyclists who supported the Critical Mass ride through the
    Melbourne domain tunnel, thanks a lot. As a competative cyclist I have
    had to put up with increase abuse while training today because of your
    stupidity last night. Unfortunately many motorist think we are one in
    the same and have been giving more abuse today than we normally recieve
    just for sharing the road. Just a coincidence, I dont think so!

    Why don't you look at the constructive lead taken by Bicycle Victoria,
    who promote safe road use for all users. They lobbying Local and State
    governments in the provision of cycle safe roads. They also promote
    rides that introduce thousands of non cyclist to the sport, which in
    turn educates a large group of the population on the benifits of bicycle
    commuting and hence reduces the use of cars.

    You riders want a society with out cars, its not going to happen, get
    over it. What will happen with the publicity that you short sighted
    radicals get, is there will be a wider devide between motorist and us.
    This will just make it more dangerous to ride, discourage people from
    riding and undo all the good BV and simular groups have achieved.

    SH

    --

  2. SH said:

    To all cyclists who supported the Critical Mass ride through the
    Melbourne domain tunnel, thanks a lot. As a competative cyclist I have
    had to put up with increase abuse while training today because of your
    stupidity last night. Unfortunately many motorist think we are one in
    the same and have been giving more abuse today than we normally recieve
    just for sharing the road. Just a coincidence, I dont think so!

    Why don't you look at the constructive lead taken by Bicycle Victoria,
    who promote safe road use for all users. They lobbying Local and State
    governments in the provision of cycle safe roads. They also promote
    rides that introduce thousands of non cyclist to the sport, which in
    turn educates a large group of the population on the benifits of bicycle
    commuting and hence reduces the use of cars.

    You riders want a society with out cars, its not going to happen, get
    over it. What will happen with the publicity that you short sighted
    radicals get, is there will be a wider devide between motorist and us.
    This will just make it more dangerous to ride, discourage people from
    riding and undo all the good BV and simular groups have achieved.

    SH

    --


    While I do understand the stated impetus behind CM, I've never been
    particularly impressed with the methodology. Really annoying people
    seldom serves as a good way to convert them to your point of view. It's
    much more likely to harden their resolve against your point of view.

    We want allies, not enemies.

    Jeff

  3. Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:20:43 -0500, <[email hidden]>,
    Prissy wimp "SH" <[email hidden]> posted verbatim the same
    inaccurate spewage in this message - Date: 2003-06-28 00:34:07 PST

    http://tinyurl.com/4z74b

    Quoted message said:

    To all cyclists who supported the Critical Mass


    \szip

    yawn
    --
    zk

  4. "Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:20:43 -0500, <[email hidden]>,
    Prissy wimp "SH" <[email hidden]> posted verbatim the same
    inaccurate spewage in this message - Date: 2003-06-28 00:34:07 PST

    http://tinyurl.com/4z74b

    Quoted message said:

    To all cyclists who supported the Critical Mass


    \szip

    yawn


    Typical. You do not seem to understand that pissing people off
    turns them against your cause, not towards it.

  5. Mark Jones said:

    Typical. You do not seem to understand that pissing people off turns
    them against your cause, not towards it.

    Yes. Do you have any sense whatsoever of taking your own advice?

  6. "Tim McNamara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark Jones said:

    Typical. You do not seem to understand that pissing people off turns
    them against your cause, not towards it.

    Yes. Do you have any sense whatsoever of taking your own advice?

    Japan did that at Pearl Harbor, USA use that tactic in Iraq, Waco, many
    other places.

    [censored] them off really good and they will form an army and FIGHT YOU.

  7. taim said:

    "Tim McNamara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark Jones said:

    Typical. You do not seem to understand that pissing people off turns
    them against your cause, not towards it.

    Yes. Do you have any sense whatsoever of taking your own advice?

    Japan did that at Pearl Harbor, USA use that tactic in Iraq, Waco,
    many other places.

    [censored] them off really good and they will form an army and FIGHT YOU.

    Waco??? Yeah, those Branch Dividians are a force to be reckoned with.

    Hehehe

    Tom

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    taim said:

    [censored] them off really good and they will form an army and FIGHT YOU.

    I'm thoroughly [censored] by car-centricity, and I think it's
    high time users of other transportation modes (especially
    pedestrians) got a fair kick at the can.

    --
    -- Nothing is safe from me.
    Above address is just a spam midden.
    I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca

  9. "Tim McNamara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark Jones said:

    Typical. You do not seem to understand that pissing people off turns
    them against your cause, not towards it.

    Yes. Do you have any sense whatsoever of taking your own advice?


    What are you referring to?

  10. Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:14:52 -0500, <[email hidden]>,

    taim said:

    [censored] them off really good and they will form an army and FIGHT YOU.

    The worthless miserable fux already do with restrictive legislation
    regulating where they figure we should ride. They proclaim it's for
    our own safety while it's just to remove bicycles from our roads for
    the convenience of drivers.
    They kill around 900 cyclists and many times more pedestrians in North
    America every year. Ninety five percent of cycling deaths worldwide
    are the result of motor vehicles.
    The caged scum and their enablers are poisoning you and your children
    every minute of the day.
    It's already a war and you scud jockeys started it.

    CARS SUCK!
    --
    zk

  11. "tcmedara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:yMK5d.238880$4o.105455@fed1read01...

    Quoted message said:
    taim said:

    "Tim McNamara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mark Jones" <[email hidden]> writes:

    > Typical. You do not seem to understand that pissing people off turns
    > them against your cause, not towards it.

    Yes. Do you have any sense whatsoever of taking your own advice?

    Japan did that at Pearl Harbor, USA use that tactic in Iraq, Waco,
    many other places.

    [censored] them off really good and they will form an army and FIGHT YOU.

    Waco??? Yeah, those Branch Dividians are a force to be reckoned with.

    Hehehe

    Tom


    US gov surrounded them, shined huge bright lights at them and extremely
    loud rock music for days, threaded them, then
    pumped in flammable tear gas, it caught fire, and burned them all out
    including 58 children, photos are on the net.
    ALL the US had to do was sit at burger king and talk with koreash when he
    went there to eat.

    No, we want to make a Statement, we will show them we are
    Important..........

    If it is war with the cars that you want, which is what you try to cause
    when riding, you are going and have been getting your own hatred reflected
    back 10 fold. You got War.

  12. "Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The caged scum and their enablers are poisoning you and your children
    every minute of the day.

    Quoted message said:


    CARS SUCK!

    Well maybe, but, you must agree that if you need a four door
    auto then the Maserati Quattroporte would look nice in your
    driveway.

  13. "Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:14:52 -0500, <[email hidden]>,

    taim said:

    [censored] them off really good and they will form an army and FIGHT YOU.

    The worthless miserable fux already do with restrictive legislation
    regulating where they figure we should ride. They proclaim it's for
    our own safety while it's just to remove bicycles from our roads for
    the convenience of drivers.

    [censored], bicycles get wacked by cars and lose, therefore keep all bicycles
    AWAY from cars.

    Has nothing to do with Car drivers, it is how heavy and uncontrollable the
    cars are. Bicycles are much lighter, and more manuravable, and more
    controllable.

    Quoted message said:

    They kill around 900 cyclists and many times more pedestrians in North
    America every year. Ninety five percent of cycling deaths worldwide
    are the result of motor vehicles.

    AND they are caused by the Bicyclist making unsafe movements, NOT the cars.
    90% of the time the Bicycle is AT FAULT. 890 0f the 900 caused their own
    deaths! look it up! THAT IS WHY Bicycles CANNOT GET INSURANCE.

    Quoted message said:

    The caged scum and their enablers are poisoning you and your children
    every minute of the day.

    You continue to feed on your own poison, anger, which keeps you riding
    unsafely, and blinded to the truth.

    Quoted message said:

    It's already a war and you scud jockeys started it.

    CARS SUCK!

    YOU own a SUV, too

    Quoted message said:

    --
    zk

  14. Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:08:42 -0500, <[email hidden]>,
    Nobody, "Jorma Myers" <[email hidden]> tried hard:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The worthless miserable fux already do with restrictive legislation
    regulating where they figure we should ride. They proclaim it's for
    our own safety while it's just to remove bicycles from our roads for
    the convenience of drivers.

    [censored], bicycles get wacked by cars and lose, therefore keep all bicycles
    AWAY from cars.


    \szip
    Watch for discarded krypto locks landing on your snotty nose.
    --
    zk

  15. "Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:08:42 -0500, <[email hidden]>,
    Nobody, "Jorma Myers" <[email hidden]> tried hard:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The worthless miserable fux already do with restrictive legislation
    regulating where they figure we should ride. They proclaim it's for
    our own safety while it's just to remove bicycles from our roads for
    the convenience of drivers.

    [censored], bicycles get wacked by cars and lose, therefore keep all


    bicycles

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    AWAY from cars.


    \szip
    Watch for discarded krypto locks landing on your snotty nose.
    --
    zk

    Battle Dipshit - listen for the Car horn loud just behind you, it signals
    you may be dead if you don't move, watch for the nudge, the right turn of
    death, sliced tires, road tacks, patches of WD40, full coke cans, pepper
    spray, truck mirrors, and of course, get doored.

  16. Mon, 27 Sep 2004 04:39:10 GMT, <OPM5d.121801$%S.95440@pd7tw2no>,
    The Only "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[email hidden]> suggested:

    Quoted message said:


    "Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The caged scum and their enablers are poisoning you and your children
    every minute of the day.

    Quoted message said:


    CARS SUCK!

    Well maybe, but, you must agree that if you need a four door
    auto then the Maserati Quattroporte would look nice in your
    driveway.


    No kids for me, baby and I don't eat enough eggs to warrant spending
    that much for a chicken coop.. . . or sedan.
    --
    zk

  17. [I have removed rec.bicycles.rides from the discussion.]

    Quoted message said:

    [censored] them off really good and they will form an army and
    FIGHT YOU.

    =v= No, "[censored] them off" doesn't do it. Keeping oil addicts
    (and oil profit addicts) from their fix will, though.

    =v= Demonstrating our greater freedom from oil (or just our
    freedom) does get the police state in a tizzy, though. The
    NYPD last month got all overly-militarized because their job
    suddenly became to protect the military/oil complex's public
    relations spectacle.
    <_Jym_>

  18. [I have removed rec.bicycles.rides from the discussion.]

    Quoted message said:

    90% of the time the Bicycle is AT FAULT. 890 0f the 900
    caused their own deaths! look it up!

    =v= If you'd spend less time away from the CAPS LOCK key and
    look things up, you'd find that you've got it backwards. Take
    a look at the reports on this site:

    http://www.rightofway.org/

    =v= In brief, a review of police reports shows that when an
    eyewitness is present, motorists are the ones usually at fault.
    When there's no eyewitness, the police believe the self-serving
    testimony of the motorist (and don't bother to do any forensics
    that might disprove that testimony).

    =v= The latter happens so often that statistics compiled from
    police reports make it seem that bicyclists (and pedestrians)
    are the ones usually at fault. The more reliable reports show
    otherwise. The Right Of Way reports also do a statistical
    double-check on the demographics of those involved. Read 'em
    and weep.

    =v= I should also mention that the "bicyclists usually at fault"
    argument also hinges on the inclusion of children on bikes who
    get hit by cars. Which is irrelevant to the context of this
    (what could only charitably be referred to as) discourse.

    Quoted message said:

    THAT IS WHY Bicycles CANNOT GET INSURANCE.

    =v= Since you're posting from "[email hidden]" on a thread
    cross-posted between the U.S. and Australia, I'm not sure where
    you believe this to be true. Bicyclists (and bicycles, for that
    matter) certainly *can* get insurance.
    <_Jym_>

  19. [I have removed rec.bicycles.rides from the discussion.]

    Quoted message said:

    90% of the time the Bicycle is AT FAULT. 890 0f the 900
    caused their own deaths! look it up!

    =v= If you'd spend some time away from the CAPS LOCK key and
    look things up, you'd find that you've got it backwards. Take
    a look at the reports on this site:

    http://www.rightofway.org/

    =v= In brief, a review of police reports shows that when an
    eyewitness is present, motorists are the ones usually at fault.
    When there's no eyewitness, the police believe the self-serving
    testimony of the motorist (and don't bother to do any forensics
    that might disprove that testimony).

    =v= The latter happens so often that statistics compiled from
    police reports make it seem that bicyclists (and pedestrians)
    are the ones usually at fault. The more reliable reports show
    otherwise. The Right Of Way reports also do a statistical
    double-check on the demographics of those involved. Read 'em
    and weep.

    =v= I should also mention that the "bicyclists usually at fault"
    argument also hinges on the inclusion of children on bikes who
    get hit by cars. Which is irrelevant to the context of this
    (what could only charitably be referred to as) discourse.

    Quoted message said:

    THAT IS WHY Bicycles CANNOT GET INSURANCE.

    =v= Since you're posting from "[email hidden]" on a thread
    cross-posted between the U.S. and Australia, I'm not sure where
    you believe this to be true. Bicyclists (and bicycles, for that
    matter) certainly *can* get insurance.
    <_Jym_>

  20. Jym Dyer said:

    [I have removed rec.bicycles.rides from the discussion.]

    Quoted message said:

    90% of the time the Bicycle is AT FAULT. 890 0f the 900
    caused their own deaths! look it up!

    =v= If you'd spend some time away from the CAPS LOCK key and
    look things up, you'd find that you've got it backwards. Take
    a look at the reports on this site:

    http://www.rightofway.org/

    There's a good summary and link to the pdf report here:
    http://www.transalt.org/features/goodcyclist.html

    Oh, what the heck, I'll paste in some of the summary:

    The Only Good Cyclist is an analysis of fatal bicycle
    crashes with motor vehicles in New York City. It refutes
    police officials' claim that bicyclists, not drivers, are
    responsible for most cyclist deaths.

    Bicycle fatalities in New York City doubled last year to an
    all-time high of 35. When this news hit the media, Mayor
    Giuliani reacted with a promise to protect cyclists (and
    pedestrians) from dangerous drivers. This promise has proven
    empty.

    Police officials justify their inaction with the unsupported
    claim that "cyclist error" has been the "primary
    contributing factor" in three-fourths of recent fatal
    bicycle crashes with motor vehicles.

    To test this claim, and to better understand how cyclists
    are being struck and killed on our streets, Right Of Way
    obtained and analyzed police accident reports for 71 fatal
    bicycle crashes during 1995-1998 (data for 1999 were not
    available). Here are our key findings.

    1. Traffic-law violations by motorists are the main cause
    of fatal bicyclist accidents in New York City. We were able
    to assign responsibility in 53 of the 71 fatal bicycle
    crashes during 1995-1998 for which we obtained police crash
    reports. We determined that drivers were highly culpable in
    30 cases, partly culpable in 11 cases, and not culpable in
    12 cases. Driver misconduct was thus the principal cause in
    57% (30 out of 53) of the cases and a contributory factor in
    78% (30 plus 11, or 41, out of 53).

    Thus, although police blame cyclist error for three-fourths
    (75%) of cyclist fatalities, in fact, driver error was the
    principal cause in 57% of recent fatal bicycle crashes and
    at least a contributing cause in 78%.
    --
    Steven O'Neill [email hidden]

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