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  1. Doug said:

    Oct 3d Sunday Times- Urban cyclists to get a head start on cars

    Jonathan Leake and Dipesh Gadher

    New road layouts favour bikes

    CYCLISTS could be given new rights of way at the expense of
    motorists in a multi-million-pound package of measures that has been
    drawn up by government advisers.
    Urban road layouts would undergo a radical redesign to take space
    away from cars in favour of cyclists, under proposals being studied
    by ministers.

    The plans, which would cost £150m a year, include the introduction
    of cyclist-only traffic lights to give bikes priority at junctions
    turning green earlier than traffic lights for other vehicles and
    advanced "stop" lines to offer cyclists more protection from cars.

    Cycle lanes would be installed wherever space permitted and a round-
    the-clock ban on cars would be enforced in bus lanes, which are also
    used by cyclists.

    Existing schemes to encourage pupils to ride to school would be
    extended to health workers at hospitals, students travelling to
    university and college campuses, and civil servants.

    Millions of pounds could also be set aside to offer training to
    cyclists, particularly teenagers and adults getting on their bikes
    for the first time after many years.

    Full details of the proposals, which have been compiled by the
    National Cycling Strategy Board (NCSB), a government quango set up
    to promote bike use, have been handed to Alistair Darling, the
    transport secretary, and are expected to be published later this
    month. The overall aim is to increase cycling fourfold by 2012.

    Phillip Darnton, chairman of the NCSB and a former chief executive
    of Raleigh, the bicycle maker, said: "In 1996 the then government
    promised a sharp increase in cycling but nothing has happened. Only
    about 1.5% of journeys are by bike. But we have got to get people
    out of their cars."

    Critics believe the government has failed to curb car growth and
    make roads safer for bike users.

    A national target set in 2000 by John Prescott, the deputy prime
    minister, to treble the number of cycle journeys over the decade had
    to be scrapped earlier this year. However, since the congestion
    charge was introduced in London the number of cyclists has increased
    by 23% while the volume of cars has declined by 16%.

    The new proposals could anger motorists who perceive cyclists
    as "Lycra louts" who frequently jump red lights and flout other road
    laws.

    "Some cyclists have a lot to answer for, but they behave like
    outlaws because the law is not catering for them," said
    Darnton. "Most cyclists are young males who are a bit more
    aggressive. If we made roads friendlier we would get more women and
    a wider age range."

    The NCSB's most important recommendation is the creation of a
    national funding scheme, with a single agency appointed to oversee
    the creation of urban cycle networks.

    "There's an attitude gap and a skills gap that's missing, rather
    than just the money," said Steven Norris, the former Tory transport
    minister and a former NCSB chairman.

    He claimed that Britain lagged "way behind" other European
    countries, such as Holland and Switzerland, where cyclists are
    routinely given priority at road junctions and roundabouts.

    A spokesman for the Department for Transport said: "The government
    fully appreciates the value of cycling for improving health and
    reducing congestion and pollution."

    About time too!

    Deliberately cross-posted.

    Brian

  2. "BrianW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    The plans, which would cost £150m a year, include the introduction
    of cyclist-only traffic lights to give bikes priority at junctions
    turning green earlier than traffic lights for other vehicles

    Yay!

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    Cycle lanes would be installed wherever space permitted and a round-
    the-clock ban on cars would be enforced in bus lanes, which are also
    used by cyclists.

    I don't agree with round the clock bus lanes - totally unnecessary in most
    places even in London. As a cyclist who avoids using a car as much as
    possible, and only ever uses it outside peak times, I just don't see the
    need and it annoys me to be moving slower than necessary because half the
    available road width has been taken away for no good reason.

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    Existing schemes to encourage pupils to ride to school would be
    extended to health workers at hospitals, students travelling to
    university and college campuses, and civil servants.

    Millions of pounds could also be set aside to offer training to
    cyclists, particularly teenagers and adults getting on their bikes
    for the first time after many years.

    Training is good, most cycle lanes are bad!

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    "Some cyclists have a lot to answer for, but they behave like
    outlaws because the law is not catering for them," said
    Darnton.

    I like that. But even if the lights went green for cyclists before the rest
    of traffic, most of those that currently go through on red if they can would
    still do it. Whoever doesn't wait for green, still won't.

    Quoted message said:

    Deliberately cross-posted.

    Oh no. Expect another interminable thread as tosspotter's rant and fume 😉

    Rich

  3. Richard Goodman said:

    "BrianW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Cycle lanes would be installed wherever space permitted and a round-
    the-clock ban on cars would be enforced in bus lanes, which are also
    used by cyclists.

    I don't agree with round the clock bus lanes - totally unnecessary in most
    places even in London. As a cyclist who avoids using a car as much as
    possible, and only ever uses it outside peak times, I just don't see the
    need and it annoys me to be moving slower than necessary because half the
    available road width has been taken away for no good reason.

    Outside of peak hours, there's not much impact on the speed of private
    cars; that's the definition of peak hours.

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    Outside of peak hours, there's not much impact on the speed of private
    cars; that's the definition of peak hours.

    Ah, but you don't live in London do you? Off peak hours are times like
    after 9pm at night and weekends, especially Sundays, when there's fewer
    buses around which don't need lanes all to themselves, and when people are
    not trying to get to/from school/work using a bus to do it. That says
    nothing about the volume of private cars trying to get somewhere!

    Rich

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