Bobby Julich and supplements

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About 14 years ago, when I was a 17 year old Junior I went to an Olympic
training center camp. On the bulletin board was a flier for a
supplement program to make you a world class cyclist. I called the
number and spent about 20 minutes talking to someone on the other end of
the line who told me about how great the supplement program was. The
program was VERY expensive and to me it sure sounded like drugs since
the guy said that the first step would be to get a blood test from my
doctor. Just before I ended the call, the guy mentioned that he was
Bobby Julich's dad. I always thought the call was really strange and to
this day don't know if it was drugs or just really expensive normal
supplements.

For all I know, it might have been clean stuff but the phone call left a
bad taste in my mouth. The issue with Tyler and all the recent drug
cases make me think back to this call. Does anyone on the list have any
memory of a supplement business run by Bobby Julich's dad?

I doubt that. From people who have worked with Bobby, he is not a guy who
would even use completely legal supplements.

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Also, I have never taken any supplements other then multivitimens. Does
anyone know if top cyclists benefit from legal supplements or do these
just make your wallet lighter?

"Supplements" is a very wide category. Most are not worthwhile.

-WG

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For all I know, it might have been clean stuff but the phone call left a
bad taste in my mouth. The issue with Tyler and all the recent drug
cases make me think back to this call. Does anyone on the list have any
memory of a supplement business run by Bobby Julich's dad?

I doubt that. From people who have worked with Bobby, he is not a guy who
would even use completely legal supplements.

If Memory serves, Bobby was a VERY big vegetarian/supplimental vitamin guy.
I wouldn't doubt that this wa Bobby's Dad and I also wouldn't doubt that
we're talking vitamins. The good stuff ain't cheap. I used to buy some from
a company that was pretty expensive but they reformulated them and you could
feel that they didn't work anymore. Recently I started taking the vitamins
from E-caps and THEY WORK and aren't too expensive. Last Saturday I did my
fastest ride over 40 miles. I pushed into a headwind for 25 miles which took
two hours and then did the next 45 miles mostly cross wind in another 2
hours. I'm a believer.

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Also, I have never taken any supplements other then multivitimens. Does
anyone know if top cyclists benefit from legal supplements or do these
just make your wallet lighter?

"Supplements" is a very wide category. Most are not worthwhile.

That may be true but then Pro cyclists use injectable vitamins. I can't
imagine that they'd stick needles into themselves if it wasn't adding
something.

Tom Kunich said:

If Memory serves, Bobby was a VERY big vegetarian/supplimental vitamin guy.
I wouldn't doubt that this wa Bobby's Dad and I also wouldn't doubt that
we're talking vitamins. The good stuff ain't cheap. I used to buy some from
a company that was pretty expensive but they reformulated them and you could
feel that they didn't work anymore. Recently I started taking the vitamins
from E-caps and THEY WORK and aren't too expensive. Last Saturday I did my
fastest ride over 40 miles. I pushed into a headwind for 25 miles which took
two hours and then did the next 45 miles mostly cross wind in another 2
hours. I'm a believer.

That's pretty cool. Lag time? (time from start of regime until this test).

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Also, I have never taken any supplements other then multivitimens. Does
anyone know if top cyclists benefit from legal supplements or do these
just make your wallet lighter?

"Supplements" is a very wide category. Most are not worthwhile.

That may be true but then Pro cyclists use injectable vitamins. I can't
imagine that they'd stick needles into themselves if it wasn't adding
something.

That reminds me of a study I participated in for the Med Ctr. I
self-injected (abdominally) growth hormone -releaser- substance to see if
certain athletic performances improved, along with body re-composition
testing. I'd bet this stuff would really give one a boost if they were
heavy into training, and wouldn't be detectable as a PED. I don't have the
exact chemical make up - it may have been as prosaic as Ornithine and
Arginine.

-B

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Also, I have never taken any supplements other then multivitimens.

Does

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anyone know if top cyclists benefit from legal supplements or do these
just make your wallet lighter?

"Supplements" is a very wide category. Most are not worthwhile.

That may be true but then Pro cyclists use injectable vitamins. I can't
imagine that they'd stick needles into themselves if it wasn't adding
something.

Consider the dozens of supplements. How many do anything good? A half dozen,
maybe?

-WG

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About 14 years ago, when I was a 17 year old Junior I went to an Olympic
training center camp. On the bulletin board was a flier for a
supplement program to make you a world class cyclist. I called the
number and spent about 20 minutes talking to someone on the other end of
the line who told me about how great the supplement program was.

the guy mentioned that he was

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Bobby Julich's dad. I always thought the call was really strange

that is weird.
did he try to talk you into selling them? it was probably amway. did
he mention "things you use everday!"
I don't think any drug dealer would have the balls to post a flier at
the junior olympic training center advertising dope, but it was 1990
right? when the greg strock stuff was going on.
I would assume it was legit, and he was just trying to sell you
yohimbe bark and vitamin b-15 snake oil serum.
Did anyone see the episode of South Park with the down syndrome
steroid dealer at the special olympics? very offensive, but at the
same time a very sad commentary on doping.

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About 14 years ago, when I was a 17 year old Junior I went to an Olympic
training center camp. On the bulletin board was a flier for a
supplement program to make you a world class cyclist. I called the
number and spent about 20 minutes talking to someone on the other end of
the line who told me about how great the supplement program was. The
program was VERY expensive and to me it sure sounded like drugs since
the guy said that the first step would be to get a blood test from my
doctor. Just before I ended the call, the guy mentioned that he was
Bobby Julich's dad. I always thought the call was really strange and to
this day don't know if it was drugs or just really expensive normal
supplements.

For all I know, it might have been clean stuff but the phone call left a
bad taste in my mouth. The issue with Tyler and all the recent drug
cases make me think back to this call. Does anyone on the list have any
memory of a supplement business run by Bobby Julich's dad?

I doubt that. From people who have worked with Bobby, he is not a guy who
would even use completely legal supplements.

Yea...he wouldn't waste his money on completely legal supplements
unless he was/is getting them for free. Anything beyond moderate
vitamin/mineral supplements, unless a quantified deficiency under such
a regimine is documented, is not worth the cost of their labels.

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Also, I have never taken any supplements other then multivitimens. Does
anyone know if top cyclists benefit from legal supplements or do these
just make your wallet lighter?

"Supplements" is a very wide category. Most are not worthwhile.

-WG

null said:

About 14 years ago, when I was a 17 year old Junior I went to an Olympic
training center camp. On the bulletin board was a flier for a
supplement program to make you a world class cyclist. I called the
number and spent about 20 minutes talking to someone on the other end of
the line who told me about how great the supplement program was. The
program was VERY expensive and to me it sure sounded like drugs since
the guy said that the first step would be to get a blood test from my
doctor. Just before I ended the call, the guy mentioned that he was
Bobby Julich's dad. I always thought the call was really strange and to
this day don't know if it was drugs or just really expensive normal
supplements.

For all I know, it might have been clean stuff but the phone call left a
bad taste in my mouth. The issue with Tyler and all the recent drug
cases make me think back to this call. Does anyone on the list have any
memory of a supplement business run by Bobby Julich's dad?

Also, I have never taken any supplements other then multivitimens. Does
anyone know if top cyclists benefit from legal supplements or do these
just make your wallet lighter?

Sounds like your typical enterprising, hardworking, polished,
accomplished, and completely phony salesman.

-Jeff.

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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If Memory serves, Bobby was a VERY big vegetarian/supplimental vitamin

guy.

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I wouldn't doubt that this wa Bobby's Dad and I also wouldn't doubt that
we're talking vitamins. The good stuff ain't cheap.

sounds like you're the perfect customer for the snake oil salesman. When I
think of a vitamin I'm reading the contents of a one-a-day tablet bottle.
Your "good stuff" ain't coming in the same bottle.

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I used to buy some from
a company that was pretty expensive but they reformulated them and you

could

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feel that they didn't work anymore.

welcome to the slippery slope of doping

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Recently I started taking the vitamins
from E-caps and THEY WORK and aren't too expensive. Last Saturday I did my
fastest ride over 40 miles. I pushed into a headwind for 25 miles which

took

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two hours and then did the next 45 miles mostly cross wind in another 2
hours. I'm a believer.

I'm a believer too, that you're a RUBE albeit a mindless consuming one.

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Did anyone see the episode of South Park with the down syndrome
steroid dealer at the special olympics? very offensive, but at the
same time a very sad commentary on doping.

Four Leg's finest performance!

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About 14 years ago, when I was a 17 year old Junior I went to an Olympic
training center camp. On the bulletin board was a flier for a
supplement program to make you a world class cyclist. I called the
number and spent about 20 minutes talking to someone on the other end of
the line who told me about how great the supplement program was. The
program was VERY expensive and to me it sure sounded like drugs since
the guy said that the first step would be to get a blood test from my
doctor. Just before I ended the call, the guy mentioned that he was
Bobby Julich's dad. I always thought the call was really strange and to
this day don't know if it was drugs or just really expensive normal
supplements.

For all I know, it might have been clean stuff but the phone call left a
bad taste in my mouth. The issue with Tyler and all the recent drug
cases make me think back to this call. Does anyone on the list have any
memory of a supplement business run by Bobby Julich's dad?

That's funny, because I've heard of juniors getting similar offers
from a business run by Kunich's mom.

Thanks,
Brian

(L. Seer) said:

Anything beyond moderate
vitamin/mineral supplements, unless a quantified deficiency under such
a regimine is documented, is not worth the cost of their labels.

Someone once said that all people get from taking mega-doses of
vitamins is expensive urine.

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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:07:38 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]>

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If Memory serves, Bobby was a VERY big vegetarian/supplimental vitamin
guy.
I wouldn't doubt that this wa Bobby's Dad and I also wouldn't doubt that
we're talking vitamins. The good stuff ain't cheap. I used to buy some
from
a company that was pretty expensive but they reformulated them and you
could
feel that they didn't work anymore. Recently I started taking the vitamins
from E-caps and THEY WORK and aren't too expensive. Last Saturday I did my
fastest ride over 40 miles. I pushed into a headwind for 25 miles which
took
two hours and then did the next 45 miles mostly cross wind in another 2
hours. I'm a believer.

That's pretty cool. Lag time? (time from start of regime until this test).

I was taking them for about a couple of weeks. Nothing that had to do with
more strength of more power or any of that [censored]. But a noticable difference
in recovery time from hard rides. A week ago I lead a club century where I
had to lead everyone then get them going down a long road while I waited to
make sure that the stragglers didn't miss the turn, then ride forward after
those who might be two or three minutes ahead in order to make sure that
they didn't miss the next turn and do it all over again. At the end of the
day I was still feeling chipper enough that I lead the group into the
finish. I took more of those things on Sunday and on Monday I was feeling
good. This Saturday I thought I was feeling bad because of the headwind and
the fact that I could only do 14 into it until I discovered that I was one
of the early one's back to the start.

All year I've been doing a hard ride and feeling bad for days afterwards.
Since taking these vitamins I'm recovering in only a day. Standard
Disclaimer - Friday I turn 60. Younger guys may not have the same response.

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(L. Seer) said:

Anything beyond moderate
vitamin/mineral supplements, unless a quantified deficiency under such
a regimine is documented, is not worth the cost of their labels.

Someone once said that all people get from taking mega-doses of
vitamins is expensive urine.

And I used to believe that until rather newer tests have been showing that
not to be the case. Vitamin C in particular has been greatly undre
appreciated and the FDA is reviewing it to suggest a very much larger dailey
dose. B vitamins have been implicated in energy production now and the
newest series of "high energy drinks" with zero calories are a big load of B
vitamins. I laughed at it but people are telling me that it works. Yeah,
well the vitamins I'm taking have a large load of B vitamins and and hour
after taking them I feel like I've swallowed two espressos. No caffeine on
the label though.

So, I might have been mistaken to believe studies that used FDA doses of
vitamins and reported no changes.

I'm still looking into it.

In article <[email hidden]>, Tom

Kunich said:

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(L. Seer) said:

Anything beyond moderate
vitamin/mineral supplements, unless a quantified deficiency under such
a regimine is documented, is not worth the cost of their labels.

Someone once said that all people get from taking mega-doses of
vitamins is expensive urine.

And I used to believe that until rather newer tests have been showing that
not to be the case. Vitamin C in particular has been greatly undre
appreciated and the FDA is reviewing it to suggest a very much larger dailey
dose. B vitamins have been implicated in energy production now and the
newest series of "high energy drinks" with zero calories are a big load of B
vitamins. I laughed at it but people are telling me that it works. Yeah,
well the vitamins I'm taking have a large load of B vitamins and and hour
after taking them I feel like I've swallowed two espressos. No caffeine on
the label though.

So, I might have been mistaken to believe studies that used FDA doses of
vitamins and reported no changes.

For recovery, try 1000mg of C before your ride and another after the
ride. Niacin will dialate your blood vessels. Try B "50" from Trader
Joes and Kirkland brand "C" from Costco.

I can almost always tell (later) when I've forgotten the C.

-WG

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Disclaimer - Friday I turn 60. Younger guys may not have the same
response.

Happy Birthday!

Do you think Bill Z got you anything this year?

Tom Kunich said:

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(L. Seer) said:

Anything beyond moderate
vitamin/mineral supplements, unless a quantified deficiency under such
a regimine is documented, is not worth the cost of their labels.

Someone once said that all people get from taking mega-doses of
vitamins is expensive urine.

And I used to believe that until rather newer tests have been showing that
not to be the case. Vitamin C in particular has been greatly undre
appreciated and the FDA is reviewing it to suggest a very much larger dailey
dose. B vitamins have been implicated in energy production now and the
newest series of "high energy drinks" with zero calories are a big load of B
vitamins. I laughed at it but people are telling me that it works. Yeah,
well the vitamins I'm taking have a large load of B vitamins and and hour
after taking them I feel like I've swallowed two espressos. No caffeine on
the label though.

So, I might have been mistaken to believe studies that used FDA doses of
vitamins and reported no changes.

I'm still looking into it.

I used to take CTR brand vits which had an actual insoluble matrix that the
vitamin substrate was bonded to giving real time-release effects. That
stuff was pretty noticeable as to strength and recovery both. Don't know if
they're still in biz. (Now a days companies -say- time release, but do it
with a protein coating and once the pill breaks in half, it's released all
at once, mostly.)

OK, here they are...bottles are completely different but I recognize them.

http://www.bioenergyinc.com/CTRnutrients.htm

They even tout time-release Glutamine.

My experience was with the stuff they sold in the 80s, so disclaimer, ymmv,
etc.

-B

Did you get a pee test after the club century, Tom ?
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:07:38 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]>

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If Memory serves, Bobby was a VERY big vegetarian/supplimental vitamin
guy.
I wouldn't doubt that this wa Bobby's Dad and I also wouldn't doubt that
we're talking vitamins. The good stuff ain't cheap. I used to buy some
from
a company that was pretty expensive but they reformulated them and you
could
feel that they didn't work anymore. Recently I started taking the

vitamins

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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from E-caps and THEY WORK and aren't too expensive. Last Saturday I did

my

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fastest ride over 40 miles. I pushed into a headwind for 25 miles which
took
two hours and then did the next 45 miles mostly cross wind in another 2
hours. I'm a believer.

That's pretty cool. Lag time? (time from start of regime until this

test).

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I was taking them for about a couple of weeks. Nothing that had to do with
more strength of more power or any of that [censored]. But a noticable

difference

Quoted message said:

in recovery time from hard rides. A week ago I lead a club century where I
had to lead everyone then get them going down a long road while I waited

to

Quoted message said:

make sure that the stragglers didn't miss the turn, then ride forward

after

Quoted message said:

those who might be two or three minutes ahead in order to make sure that
they didn't miss the next turn and do it all over again. At the end of the
day I was still feeling chipper enough that I lead the group into the
finish. I took more of those things on Sunday and on Monday I was feeling
good. This Saturday I thought I was feeling bad because of the headwind

and

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the fact that I could only do 14 into it until I discovered that I was one
of the early one's back to the start.

All year I've been doing a hard ride and feeling bad for days afterwards.
Since taking these vitamins I'm recovering in only a day. Standard
Disclaimer - Friday I turn 60. Younger guys may not have the same

response.

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Yea, some guy named Brent Emory. Part of the 1984 US Olympic Team.

Blood doping occured there ....

No connection that I know of. But I was not in the know, was I ?
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(L. Seer) said:

Anything beyond moderate
vitamin/mineral supplements, unless a quantified deficiency under such
a regimine is documented, is not worth the cost of their labels.

Someone once said that all people get from taking mega-doses of
vitamins is expensive urine.

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"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GnCdd.2583$%

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Disclaimer - Friday I turn 60. Younger guys may not have the same
response.

Happy Birthday!

Do you think Bill Z got you anything this year?

Yeah, a helmet.

--
tanx,
Howard

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where he keeps his nuts."

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