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  1. I am slowly and painfully coming back to cycling after a few years'
    hiatus. After a nice incident where I forgot how to brake and gaily
    catapulted myself over the handlebars on a completely flat road *on
    the way to the trail* I think I might like to be a wimp and look into
    full-face helmets. Probably something more like the Giro Switchblade
    than a BMX or downhill style.

    Questions for owners;

    How do they affect your hearing and peripheral vision?
    That in mind, would you feel safe (never mind silly!) using one in
    light traffic?

    And also, in general; why visors on helmets? I had a Giro Riviera
    (cheap but serviceable, no visor) for some time and never really felt
    the need for one. Are they generally integral/essential to the helmet
    or can you detach them?

    Thanks for any advice,
    Steff

  2. Steffik said:


    And also, in general; why visors on helmets? I had a Giro Riviera
    (cheap but serviceable, no visor) for some time and never really felt
    the need for one. Are they generally integral/essential to the helmet
    or can you detach them?

    Dunno about all that other stuff, but I gotta have a visor.
    If you ride sunrise or sunset, you need one.
    The Giro's are nice because they have an adj. visor, so you can put it
    right where the sun is.

    -Bruce

  3. Steffik said:

    I am slowly and painfully coming back to cycling after a few years'
    hiatus. After a nice incident where I forgot how to brake and gaily
    catapulted myself over the handlebars on a completely flat road *on
    the way to the trail*

    I've done that too a couple of times. My problem stems from my time
    riding BMX when I used to have the levers reversed to help with certain
    freestyle tricks. Even 17 years later my mind sometimes regresses and
    wants me to jam on the front brake instead of the back 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    How do they affect your hearing and peripheral vision?
    That in mind, would you feel safe (never mind silly!) using one in
    light traffic?

    You definitely have to be a little more aware of what's going on around
    you, as they do reduce your peripheral senses a bit. I find they feel
    more secure than the more traditional 'aerodynamic cycling helmets',
    which always felt uncomfortable to me as if they were just sitting on
    top of my head rather than enveloping it, and felt they could easily be
    detached in a fall. Any is better than none though, as long as it
    doesn't seriously hinder hearing/vision in traffic.

    Quoted message said:

    And also, in general; why visors on helmets? I had a Giro Riviera
    (cheap but serviceable, no visor) for some time and never really felt
    the need for one. Are they generally integral/essential to the helmet
    or can you detach them?

    Visors are to keep the sun out of your eyes - if you're lucky enough to
    live somewhere that has much sun 🙂
    They're often detachable - plastic bmx-style helmet visors are usually
    held on by plastic screws, fibreglass helmets sometimes use metal
    press-studs. Some helmets look OK with the visor off, others look a
    little strange.

    Don't worry about looking silly wearing a helmet, it's sillier not to
    wear one in traffic.

  4. "Steffik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    How do they affect your hearing and peripheral vision?
    That in mind, would you feel safe (never mind silly!) using one in
    light traffic?

    I don't have any negative experiences with hearing and peripheral vision
    while wearing my full face. I have no problem riding in light traffic with
    one on either.

    Quoted message said:

    And also, in general; why visors on helmets? I had a Giro Riviera
    (cheap but serviceable, no visor) for some time and never really felt
    the need for one. Are they generally integral/essential to the helmet
    or can you detach them?

    I have the SixSixOne Full Bravo and the visor comes off but I have never had
    a compelling reason to take it off.

    If you feel like you need a FFace helmet then don't choose the Giro
    Switchblade. That thing would bust up in a real crash.

  5. "Steffik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am slowly and painfully coming back to cycling after a few years'
    hiatus. After a nice incident where I forgot how to brake and gaily
    catapulted myself over the handlebars on a completely flat road *on
    the way to the trail* I think I might like to be a wimp and look into
    full-face helmets. Probably something more like the Giro Switchblade
    than a BMX or downhill style.

    Questions for owners;

    How do they affect your hearing and peripheral vision?
    That in mind, would you feel safe (never mind silly!) using one in
    light traffic?

    And also, in general; why visors on helmets? I had a Giro Riviera
    (cheap but serviceable, no visor) for some time and never really felt
    the need for one. Are they generally integral/essential to the helmet
    or can you detach them?

    Thanks for any advice,
    Steff

    The Giro Switchblade is no longer in production. So you're limited to a
    bicycle rated full face helmet like the 661 full bravo or others with vents.
    Peripheral vision hasn't been a problem for me with any full face helmet
    made for goggles.

    Visors for helmets offer shade from the sun but is mainly a fashion
    statement. I've found I ride better without one as I can focus further on
    down the trail. Most are adjustable or easily removable.

    Mike

  6. Bruce Edge <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    The Giro's are nice because they have an adj. visor, so you can put it
    right where the sun is.

    Yeah, tilting your head down a few degrees is such a pain.

    JD

  7. "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Bruce Edge <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The Giro's are nice because they have an adj. visor, so you can put it
    right where the sun is.

    Yeah, tilting your head down a few degrees is such a pain.

    After several miles of riding it can be a pain in the neck, literally.

    What's next Shoei full face w/ smoked visor and Aerostich Roadcrafters?
    I wonder if I can get the Frog cleats attached to the bottom of my Sidi
    Motorcycle boots?-(

  8. From: "J G" <[email hidden]>
    Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net

    Quoted message said:

    "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Bruce Edge <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The Giro's are nice because they have an adj. visor, so you can put it
    right where the sun is.

    Yeah, tilting your head down a few degrees is such a pain.

    Quoted message said:

    After several miles of riding it can be a pain in the neck, literally.

    The last time I checked, the Sun rises and sets pretty rapidly.

    JD

  9. Steffik said:


    I am slowly and painfully coming back to cycling after a few years'
    hiatus. After a nice incident where I forgot how to brake and gaily
    catapulted myself over the handlebars on a completely flat road *on
    the way to the trail* I think I might like to be a wimp and look into
    full-face helmets. Probably something more like the Giro Switchblade
    than a BMX or downhill style.
    Questions for owners;
    How do they affect your hearing and peripheral vision?
    That in mind, would you feel safe (never mind silly!) using one in
    light traffic?
    And also, in general; why visors on helmets? I had a Giro Riviera
    (cheap but serviceable, no visor) for some time and never really felt
    the need for one. Are they generally integral/essential to the helmet
    or can you detach them?
    Thanks for any advice,
    Steff

    Hearing, I never considered as i didn't ride in traffic. But lack of vision is the reason i stopped wearing full-face. That was dirt jumping bmx, I would never ride with one while cars are zooming past.

    Visors are detachable on most helmets.

    Have you thought about the skater style helmets? They offer more skull coverage than the aero ones, and more vision than full-face.
    $20 @ danscomp.com

  10. "Steffik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am slowly and painfully coming back to cycling after a few years'
    hiatus. After a nice incident where I forgot how to brake and gaily
    catapulted myself over the handlebars on a completely flat road *on
    the way to the trail* I think I might like to be a wimp and look into
    full-face helmets. Probably something more like the Giro Switchblade
    than a BMX or downhill style.

    Questions for owners;

    How do they affect your hearing and peripheral vision?
    That in mind, would you feel safe (never mind silly!) using one in
    light traffic?

    And also, in general; why visors on helmets? I had a Giro Riviera
    (cheap but serviceable, no visor) for some time and never really felt
    the need for one. Are they generally integral/essential to the helmet
    or can you detach them?

    Thanks for any advice,
    Steff

    I have a Giro switchblade, to be honest I'm not sure that the detatchable
    'chin guard' would do much good in a crash. No problems wih peripheral
    vision or hearing as on the switchblade these bits are the same as with a
    normal helmet, would be different for a proper full face I imagine. Only
    thing it really effects is other peoples ability to hear you as your voice
    is muffled by the guard...

    As for the peak well mine snapped off about 4 years ago and I haven't missed
    it.

    Steve.

  11. Can O' Ale <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Steffik said:

    I am slowly and painfully coming back to cycling after a few years'
    hiatus. After a nice incident where I forgot how to brake and gaily
    catapulted myself over the handlebars on a completely flat road *on
    the way to the trail*

    I've done that too a couple of times. My problem stems from my time
    riding BMX when I used to have the levers reversed to help with certain
    freestyle tricks. Even 17 years later my mind sometimes regresses and
    wants me to jam on the front brake instead of the back 🙂

    Ouch! At least you have a *good* excuse. Hard front braking was a
    childhood habit with me; I thought I'd trained myself out of it and
    indeed I do remember thinking "Lots of back, little front, lots of
    back-waaaark!" and then lying on the tarmac with a small bevy of road
    cyclists looking concernedly at me. Luckily I'm in the UK and the
    'trails' around where I live hardly count as such, so I'm not likely
    to encounter seriously diffucult terrain off-road.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    How do they affect your hearing and peripheral vision?
    That in mind, would you feel safe (never mind silly!) using one in
    light traffic?

    You definitely have to be a little more aware of what's going on around
    you, as they do reduce your peripheral senses a bit. I find they feel
    more secure than the more traditional 'aerodynamic cycling helmets',
    which always felt uncomfortable to me as if they were just sitting on
    top of my head rather than enveloping it, and felt they could easily be
    detached in a fall. Any is better than none though, as long as it
    doesn't seriously hinder hearing/vision in traffic.

    Apparently some of the more aerodynamic styles are easier to knock or
    drag off your head in a fall-less rounded shape, more protrusions.
    Unfortunately, I may have to accept that, since my traffic sense is
    pretty cruddy at the best of times and a very enveloping helmet might
    be dangerous-the best protection from an accident is not to have an
    accident at all.

    Quoted message said:

    <snip some stuff about visors>
    Don't worry about looking silly wearing a helmet, it's sillier not to
    wear one in traffic.

    Excellent point. And, in fact, some of the full face ones *do* look
    satisfyingly menacing; with that and some official looking reflective
    bands I'd like to think motorists would give me a wide berth... :-D

    Thanks for the advice,
    Steff

  12. Mr_Kingkillaha <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Steffik said:


    <snip silly cycling accident and wish for a full face helmet>
    Questions for owners;
    How do they affect your hearing and peripheral vision?
    That in mind, would you feel safe (never mind silly!) using one in
    light traffic?
    And also, in general; why visors on helmets? I had a Giro Riviera
    (cheap but serviceable, no visor) for some time and never really felt
    the need for one. Are they generally integral/essential to the helmet
    or can you detach them?
    Thanks for any advice,
    Steff

    Hearing, I never considered as i didn't ride in traffic. But lack of
    vision is the reason i stopped wearing full-face. That was dirt
    jumping bmx, I would never ride with one while cars are zooming past.

    The range of opinions that have already come up in this thread is
    quite interesting. Seems some people are much more sensitive to
    reductions in their peripheral senses. I think I might be one of
    those, so probably no full-face for me. I'll still pop down to the LBS
    and try some on, though.

    Quoted message said:

    Visors are detachable on most helmets.

    Have you thought about the skater style helmets? They offer more skull
    coverage than the aero ones, and more vision than full-face.
    $20 @ danscomp.com

    Thanks, nope, hadn't thought of that. I *do* like the extra coverage
    round the back and sides, but I think skate helmets are rated for a
    different set of impacts-falling backwards on your head a few times
    rather than one or two very hard impacts in quick sucession, which is
    what you tend to get in a bicycle crash. I suppose I could find some
    rated for both sports, though, and I'd certainly feel more secure.

    Thanks,
    Steff

  13. "Steffik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Can O' Ale <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Steffik said:

    I am slowly and painfully coming back to cycling after a few years'
    hiatus. After a nice incident where I forgot how to brake and gaily
    catapulted myself over the handlebars on a completely flat road *on
    the way to the trail*

    I've done that too a couple of times. My problem stems from my time
    riding BMX when I used to have the levers reversed to help with certain
    freestyle tricks. Even 17 years later my mind sometimes regresses and
    wants me to jam on the front brake instead of the back 🙂

    Ouch! At least you have a *good* excuse. Hard front braking was a
    childhood habit with me; I thought I'd trained myself out of it and
    indeed I do remember thinking "Lots of back, little front, lots of
    back-waaaark!" and then lying on the tarmac with a small bevy of road
    cyclists looking concernedly at me. Luckily I'm in the UK and the
    'trails' around where I live hardly count as such, so I'm not likely
    to encounter seriously diffucult terrain off-road.

    you *should* be using more front brake than back, you just need to learn to
    control it more. Relying on the rear brake will probably end in a skid,
    especially on loose surfaces off-road. Skidding = trail erosion = a bad
    thing.

    Steve.

  14. Quoted message said:

    Have you thought about the skater style helmets?

    Been wearing one for YEARS

  15. JD said:

    From: "J G" <[email hidden]>
    Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net

    Quoted message said:

    "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Bruce Edge <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > The Giro's are nice because they have an adj. visor, so you can
    > put it right where the sun is.

    Yeah, tilting your head down a few degrees is such a pain.

    Quoted message said:

    After several miles of riding it can be a pain in the neck,
    literally.

    The last time I checked, the Sun rises and sets pretty rapidly.

    JD

    True enough, but I really like having a visor on a mountain bike too, and
    not just at sunrise/set. My aging (soon to be replaced) Giro has a removable
    one. If I ever get out on my road bike (oh the horror!) then I take it off
    or I find myself straining my neck to see the road ahead. On the mountain
    bike I like keeping the sun off my face not only for enhanced vision, but
    also for additional sun protection for my face.

    To each his own...

    Matt

  16. Steffik said:

    Mr_Kingkillaha <[email hidden]>
    wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Steffik said:


    <snip silly cycling accident and wish for a full face helmet>
    Questions for owners;
    How do they affect your hearing and peripheral vision?
    That in mind, would you feel safe (never mind silly!) using one in
    light traffic?
    And also, in general; why visors on helmets? I had a Giro Riviera
    (cheap but serviceable, no visor) for some time and never really
    felt the need for one. Are they generally integral/essential to the
    helmet or can you detach them?
    Thanks for any advice,
    Steff

    Hearing, I never considered as i didn't ride in traffic. But lack of
    vision is the reason i stopped wearing full-face. That was dirt
    jumping bmx, I would never ride with one while cars are zooming past.

    The range of opinions that have already come up in this thread is
    quite interesting. Seems some people are much more sensitive to
    reductions in their peripheral senses. I think I might be one of
    those, so probably no full-face for me. I'll still pop down to the LBS
    and try some on, though.

    Quoted message said:

    Visors are detachable on most helmets.

    Have you thought about the skater style helmets? They offer more
    skull coverage than the aero ones, and more vision than full-face.
    $20 @ danscomp.com

    Thanks, nope, hadn't thought of that. I *do* like the extra coverage
    round the back and sides, but I think skate helmets are rated for a
    different set of impacts-falling backwards on your head a few times
    rather than one or two very hard impacts in quick sucession, which is
    what you tend to get in a bicycle crash. I suppose I could find some
    rated for both sports, though, and I'd certainly feel more secure.

    Thanks,
    Steff

    There are also "freeride" helmets with non-removable visors (sort of
    beak-style that would offer some face protection a removable visor would
    not). They also offer more coverage like a skateboard helmet, but are aimed
    specifically at cyclists. I know Giro makes one and I'm sure there's others
    too. Maybe this would be the right compromise for you.

    Matt

  17. "spademan o---[\) *" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Steffik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Can O' Ale <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Steffik wrote:
    > I am slowly and painfully coming back to cycling after a few years'
    > hiatus. After a nice incident where I forgot how to brake and gaily
    > catapulted myself over the handlebars on a completely flat road *on
    > the way to the trail*

    I've done that too a couple of times. My problem stems from my time
    riding BMX when I used to have the levers reversed to help with certain
    freestyle tricks. Even 17 years later my mind sometimes regresses and
    wants me to jam on the front brake instead of the back 🙂

    Ouch! At least you have a *good* excuse. Hard front braking was a
    childhood habit with me; I thought I'd trained myself out of it and
    indeed I do remember thinking "Lots of back, little front, lots of
    back-waaaark!" and then lying on the tarmac with a small bevy of road
    cyclists looking concernedly at me. Luckily I'm in the UK and the
    'trails' around where I live hardly count as such, so I'm not likely
    to encounter seriously diffucult terrain off-road.

    you *should* be using more front brake than back, you just need to learn to
    control it more. Relying on the rear brake will probably end in a skid,
    especially on loose surfaces off-road. Skidding = trail erosion = a bad
    thing.

    Steve.

    What I normally do is take the edge off the speed with the back and
    finish up with the front; is that right?

    From what I remember while I was cycling semi-regularly, I rarely
    skidded, at least not enough to feel (not from good technique, more
    because I'm very scared of the bike going out of control); this was a
    different situation, an emergency stop on an empty road and I 'judged'
    (well, as much as you can judge in the few milliseconds before an
    accident) that as I was probably going to lose control if I stopped in
    time it would be safer to slip to the side rather than go over the
    handlebars, although I ended up doing this *anyway*.

    Steff

  18. Like any time when your sightis limit- ed you must turn
    your head left and right.

    I MTB 2004

  19. Like any time when your sightis limit- ed you must turn
    your head left and right.

    I MTB 2004

  20. Like any time when your sightis limit- ed you must turn
    your head left and right.

    I MTB 2004

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