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    This little 50k was rated in 1992 as the toughest in the US, and it's my
    favorite. It has extreme altitude changes (11,000 feet of climb), nasty
    trail, runnable trail, scree bowls, and wonderful views, since the top of
    the course is almost 10,000' above the urban basin to the south.

    I thought I'd have to pass on it, due to a sprained ankle, but I was able to
    get a bit of quality training in, so what the heck. I entered at the last
    minute knowing I wasn't in top shape, which is a good attitude to have on
    this baby.

    At the start, Luis Escobar blasted off like a sprinter, and I struggled to
    keep up for a few steps. I'm used to gradual starts in ultras, and his
    track start took me by surprise and disoriented me, and I instinctively
    kicked it in, thinking I was 20 years younger, and promptly strained my
    right hamstring. Ok....time to back off a bit on the first 1.5 miles of
    downhill to the climb.

    The first climb is about 6000' in 6 miles. The last few times here I'd run
    about 40% of the climb, but this time I vowed to hike nearly all of it. To
    counteract my insane competitiveness, I repeated the phrase "if someone
    comes up on you, let them by. Don't race them". It was quite enjoyable,
    actually. My pulse was about 140-145 all the way up. (73%) I ran it much
    easier than I do my training runs up here. I chatted with everyone I saw,
    including Julie Arter the women's champ, who passed me at 3.5 miles and
    would finish 25 minutes ahead of me. One guy who came up on me, but did not
    pass, had finished 7th in the Atlanta Marathon in 2:24, but was out of shape
    and racing the first time in years.

    There is a 20 minute section of really tough trail on the first climb at
    about 8500', some of it so steep that it's hard to keep from sliding
    backward, but the bright sunlight on the granite and the gnarled pine tree
    shadows were my antidote. Mercifully, at about 9500', the grade becomes
    moderate and the trail runnable. We ran along a few amazing ridges with
    thousands of feet of drop off. Finally, after a longish jaunt across a
    scree bowl, I saw the 10,000' peak, and hiked up the last pitch. I was in
    14th place, where I would finish, and we were at 8 miles. I was about 10
    minutes slower than last year to this point--but I felt...good for a change.
    And a bit guilty at taking it relatively easy, but there was a *lot* more to
    come.

    The route down the mountain is varied technical stuff -- the descent is
    about 800'/mile on average, with a couple of sections much steeper than
    that. There are slippery switchbacks, lots of pointy rocks embedded in the
    trail, daring you not to trip, and there's a bit of rock-hopping. A lot of
    the three mile descent has really exhilirating drop-offs, thousands of feet.
    My favorite part is traversing a small scree bowl that goes down at a 40
    degree slope for quite a ways. The path is barely a foot wide. Then
    there's the nasty, rotten, steep 60 foot descent where Anne Langstaff (2nd
    woman) and I just slowly walked down. Falling here is not an option. Last
    year, I was behind Pinenut Kiner here, and the guy RAN down this like he was
    a teenager descending a staircase. He would come in 2nd today, far ahead of
    me.

    I can't really get much of a workout in this part of the descent, it's a
    matter of focusing on each step and getting through it in one piece.

    After 3 miles of this tech trek, we get almost 5 miles of fast fireroad at
    500'/mile grade. Ann and I ran this at a bit under 7:00 pace. With a
    couple of miles to go, she accelerated a bit, and I decided to let her go.
    We were only at mile 14, and there was the harder, second ascent of Baldy to
    come. She gained a minute or two, which she would keep until the final
    miles.

    Down in the thick air at 16 miles and 6,000 feet, I tanked up with some help
    from my great wife. I munched on little squares of barbeque chicken pizza.
    My hydration plan was to drink 40 oz/hour and take about 10 Succeed (salt)
    capsules (about one per bottle). Last year I lost 9 lbs, and cramped up in
    the last 8 miles. I did the math and drank like a sink this time. Would I
    be ok to the end?

    The second ascent to the peak is only about 4 miles, with the usual
    1000'/mile grade, but this would take me nearly two hours (30
    minutes/mile!). The winner did this section at a torrid 25 minutes per
    mile, just ripping that mountain up.

    It was getting hot. The first 1 3/4 mile is tough and seems endless, but at
    least there's an aid station where the volunteers trekked up many gallons of
    water for the parched runners. The next 2 1/4 miles to the summit are the
    toughest in the race. And there's nothing but rocks at the top. You're
    climbing up over roots straight up the fall line where no one in his right
    mind would put a trail. Then you're struggling to keep from sliding
    backward. Each step is a major effort. Then you're climbing over boulders.
    And what run would be complete without several places where you wonder
    "where did the *%$&! trail go?".

    I climbed this section (I can't say "ran" in good conscience) with a very
    fit guy who ran a 150 mile week two weeks before this race. I told him my
    plan was to take it as easy as I could, because there was 9 miles of
    downhill to the finish after this summit, and you need your legs to be as
    fresh as possible. He decided to hang with me for 6 miles or so, and we
    chatted up a storm.

    I felt stronger coming down the mountain the second time than I did on the
    first descent, something I've never experienced on this course. Down at
    7800', there's an aid station where I had a couple cups of iced water poured
    over my head -- that feels so good when it's 80+ degrees. Then we have a
    little 750 foot climb in 1.5 miles, the last climb in the race. The two of
    us alternately jogged and walked the ascent, kind of like doing intervals,
    except we stopped when our legs were about to burn.

    Finally, we peaked out and started the long 8 mile descent to the finish.
    My friend picked up speed, and would finish 3 minutes ahead of me. I held
    to my plan of not racing anyone -- for the time being.

    By this time, about 6:40 into the race, my quads were a bit tweaked, with
    the kind of soreness you get after you've run too much downhill the day
    before. So I cruised down at a mild pace for me, a bit under 8:00/mile. I
    breezed past the aid station and focused on the last 2.5 miles, on the hot
    paved road. By this time I was down at 6,000 feet, and it was over 90,
    hotter on the blacktop. I picked it up to a bit over 7:00/mile pace and
    started pushing for the first time in the race. Up ahead, I saw Anne
    Langstaff, who'd gone ahead of me at mile 14. I knew I would catch her. I
    picked up the pace another notch, and kept it there until the finish.
    Naturally, they threw in a 300 yard steep climb at the end of the race, and
    it was in a canyon that was *really* hot. It felt like 100+. I charged up
    the hill totally spent, caught my breath for a bit, and checked my pulse:
    180. Ok, I got my money's worth!

    My final time was 7:30, 14th overall, first 50+ (although there were a
    couple of really fast 49 year olds, dammit!) I lost about 5 lbs, despite
    drinking 40 oz of cytomax and clip per hour! I don't know if my poor system
    can process liquid much faster than that...

    If any of you are looking for a tough challenge, look it up next summer.

  2. "Dan Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    If any of you are looking for a tough challenge, look it up next summer.

    You're tempting me, Mr Stumpus...

    Costs? Proximity of comfortable lodgings? Things to do for teenagers
    nearby? Will you wife act as my support crew too?

  3. Quoted message said:

    Will you wife

    May I refer you to the "you, you're,yours" thread?

  4. "TheBillRodgerz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Will you wife

    Quoted message said:

    May I refer you to the "you, you're,yours" thread?

    'Twas a typo, Wobbot, not incorrect usage.

    In order to overcome the beastly hacker who manages to take me down within
    30 minutes of connecting to the net, I'm running a machine that does certain
    things to alleviate the problem. Unfortunately, this means using
    stripped-down software that only loads the basics I need to connect and
    post. Ain't room for a spell/grammar checker.

    Tried Linux but god, was it a [censored]. I've a G4 notebook sitting around
    somwhere that I'll try one day - force him to learn a little about OS X -
    but this boy is so good I just have to accept he'll get me within 27-30
    mins, so I concentrate on fast recovery and reconnection. Then it starts
    all over again...

  5. Quoted message said:

    'Twas a typo, Wobbot, not incorrect usage.

    Accept responsibilty for your mistakes, punish yourself, and then move on. The
    cause is irelevant, and your excuses lame.

    Quoted message said:

    In order to overcome the beastly hacker who manages to take me down within
    30 minutes of connecting to the net,

    Sounds like your *winning personality* has made you a new friend? LOLOLOL

  6. np426z said:

    Tried Linux but god, was it a [censored]. I've a G4 notebook sitting around

    iptables helps a lot. So does not running every service out of the box.

    If you have any questions about it (Linux or iptables), go right ahead and post
    them ...

    Quoted message said:

    somwhere that I'll try one day - force him to learn a little about OS X -
    but this boy is so good I just have to accept he'll get me within 27-30
    mins, so I concentrate on fast recovery and reconnection. Then it starts
    all over again...

    If he's really smart, he can install a back door, and then you're pretty much
    screwed.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  7. "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    If he's really smart, he can install a back door, and then you're pretty


    much

    Quoted message said:

    screwed.

    Thanks! Care to write the script for him?

    So, starting with a clean sheet and a budget of $2000, spec me a hack-proof
    PC.

  8. Quoted message said:

    So does not running every service out of the box.

    Good advice! I cut out everything that isn't absolutely essential.

    Quoted message said:

    If he's really smart, he can install a back door, and then you're pretty much
    screwed.

    "Back door" and "screwed" just go together in Rogers world, so that's ok with
    him.

  9. Quoted message said:

    Thanks! Care to write the script for him?

    What makes you think it's NOT him?

  10. Nice report Dan!

    I liked your tactics for combatting your "insane competitiveness" :-)

    That's something with which I can identify - easy runs getting turned
    into tough workouts when another runner or
    a cyclist on a hill pass me...

    Although the tactics here would have helped your overall time I presume.

    Anthony.

  11. np426z said:

    "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    If he's really smart, he can install a back door, and then you're pretty


    much

    Quoted message said:

    screwed.

    Thanks! Care to write the script for him?

    So, starting with a clean sheet and a budget of $2000, spec me a hack-proof

    hack proof is a matter of software configuration, not hardware.

    Here's a quick tute on how to set up an iptables firewall (these are the settings
    I use to filter incoming traffic).

    First, default policy is to drop all incoming packets (to keep the little [censored] out)

    /sbin/iptables -P INPUT DROP

    But then you'll want to be able to connect to yourself (for example, X11 requires
    this). So we allow traffic on the loopback interface:

    /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT

    If you have a home network and a network card, you'll want to let in that traffic
    as well:

    /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT

    Also, since sockets are bidirectional, you need to allow some incoming traffic
    to succesfully connect to webpages. Now you *could* just block priveliged ports
    (where most services run) and leave it at that -- but iptables lets you selectively
    allow a connection that is related to an existing one (e.g. a web server sending
    data to Mozilla).

    /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT

    I like to round it off by allowing incoming ssh connections (so I can connect
    from work):

    /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT

    It's also worth checking which services you're running. You can portscan your
    machine by downloading the nmap utility. For example, I get:

    nmap localhost

    22/tcp open ssh
    23/tcp open telnet
    53/tcp open domain
    80/tcp open http
    111/tcp open sunrpc
    139/tcp open netbios-ssn
    953/tcp open rndc
    6000/tcp open X11

    This is a lot of services, I need most of them for my home network. Which makes the
    iptables firewall all the more important. As a general rule, if you don't know
    why you need a service, shut it off. Without the home network, I'd just be running
    ssh (for remote access) and X11. If I didn't need remote access, I'd just have X11.

    You can also portscan from outside. Here's what I get:

    nmap <my hostname>
    Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -P0
    Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 24.053 seconds

    It's blocking pings, so we need a more careful scan to see it:

    nmap <my hostname> -P0

    PORT STATE SERVICE
    22/tcp open ssh

    .... which is good, because ssh is the only service I want to be visible from outside
    You don't want to allow outside connections to file sharing services, in fact it's
    better that would-be crackers don't even know that you're running them.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  12. Great report Dan, great race you made of it and good tactics considering
    previous ankle sprain. I'd be interested in seeing all the finish times and
    maybe a topo or an elevation profile of the race. Any website? Or maybe a
    report will come out in Ultrarunning?

    - Tony

  13. "Tony" <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Great report Dan, great race you made of it and good tactics considering
    previous ankle sprain. I'd be interested in seeing all the finish times


    and

    Quoted message said:

    maybe a topo or an elevation profile of the race. Any website? Or maybe


    a

    Quoted message said:

    report will come out in Ultrarunning?

    Here's the website -- this year's results haven't been posted, but you can
    see the results from prior years, and a few pix, which don't do justice to
    the views.

    http://larrygassan.com/BP50k_index.html

  14. Donovan Rebbechi said:

    /sbin/iptables -P INPUT DROP

    I tried to run this and the other commands but Windows says
    "Le chemin d'accès spécifié est introuvable

    Does your idea only work on English versions of Windows?

  15. steve common said:
    Donovan Rebbechi said:

    /sbin/iptables -P INPUT DROP

    I tried to run this and the other commands but Windows says
    "Le chemin d'accès spécifié est introuvable

    Does your idea only work on English versions of Windows?

    It only works in Linux.

    In Windows, you're not running many services, but you're vulnerable to
    trojans/viruses.

    Some things that may help:
    (1) use some firewalling software, especially something that can intercept
    *outgoing* connections (because that's what trojans do -- make outgoing
    connections). Such as zone alarm, or whatever.

    (2) don't use internet explorer
    (3) don't read email on windows if you can avoid it (for example, my fiancee
    uses pine)

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  16. Donovan Rebbechi said:

    It only works in Linux.

    I really did need the <joke> or <troll> tags after all. I reckon I've
    been eating, drinking, breathing and shagging computers since before the
    midwife had filled out your Apgar test results, young Padawan :-P

  17. Dan Stumpus wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    "Tony" <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Great report Dan, great race you made of it and good tactics considering
    previous ankle sprain. I'd be interested in seeing all the finish times


    and

    Quoted message said:

    maybe a topo or an elevation profile of the race. Any website? Or maybe


    a

    Quoted message said:

    report will come out in Ultrarunning?

    Here's the website -- this year's results haven't been posted, but you can
    see the results from prior years, and a few pix, which don't do justice to
    the views.

    http://larrygassan.com/BP50k_index.html


    Thanks Dan, the course profile on the topo map is a real ass-kicker. Seeing
    the photos, those trails are so completely different from the trails here
    out east. I think I would die of heatstroke if I tried that course lol.

    - Tony

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