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  1. My friend and RD of the infamous Escarpment Trail race was just
    highlighted in the Albany Times Union(NY). See
    http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=298087&category=SPORTS&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=10/25/2004

    Of course they were nuts enough to interview me.

    As long as were are blowing smoke I made a local running rag last week.
    The price of autographs have been raised.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    Nobody likes a challenge more than Doug Freese.

    The Saugerties runner has completed numerous marathons and
    ultra-marathon runs. He is a fixture at most local road races . and
    certainly at the post-race beverage tent.

    He's also one of the funniest guys on the local running scene. A few
    years ago, after a column I wrote about the Race Around Briggs in Milan,
    Freese dubbed me ``wussy boy'' on the Onteora Runners Club e-mail list
    group for waxing poetic about the endless northern Dutchess County
    hills.

    Freese, however, is no ``wussy boy,'' that's for sure. He has
    completed the hilly Vermont 100-mile race . which is held in the heat of
    the summer. And most recently, last weekend he finished third in his age
    group at the Vermont 50-miler.

    Freese wasn't alone up in Brownsville, Vt., for this unique race. The
    Vermont 50 features mountain bike and running races on the same site and
    the same day. Many local runners and riders made their way into New
    England for the fantastic, early-fall event.

    Here's the way Freese described the race scene in an e-mail earlier
    this week:

    ``The 700 or so mountain bikes go off in five-minute intervals with
    the fastest group first and finally novices and Clydesdales. If you are
    a
    mountain bike geek, there are some incredible rides on the line . only
    to be outdone by running garb. Biking shirts take second only to NASCAR
    for advertisement per square inch. At 6:42 a.m., the apparent rag-tag
    runners toed the line and shuffled off into the sunrise.''

    When it was all said and done much later in the day, Freese had
    finished in 10 hours, 3 minutes and 11 seconds. Freese said this Vermont
    ultra is held under much better weather conditions than the midsummer
    100-miler.

    ``For anyone interested in this type of running and distance this is
    one of best on the East coast,'' Freese wrote. ``For some evil reason,
    many of these trail runs are in the summer while temperatures are high.
    To find one at this time of year in these conditions is a delight.''

  2. nice article but doug, but honestly...isn't there something so far out there,
    on the extreme, about this "ultra" stuff that it migrates from "sport" and
    morphs into a "masochistic" type of endeavor/act?

    "My feet looked like squash"? A couple of years ago on this ng someone
    posted a physicians analysis of the typical scope/range of damage (and recovery
    time) associated w/racing 26.2mi. (on ligaments/joints/muscles, etc.) That
    analysis/report was bad enough.

    The notion of doubling, tripling, and quadrupling that just strikes as....well
    a masochistic endeavor and not really as "racing event". I bet the waiver on
    the ws100 must be some pages long right? and cover a hell of a lot more than
    your typical marathon waiver?

    Has the ultra community ever made an effort to get Ultras in the Olympics?
    Response?

  3. "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My friend and RD of the infamous Escarpment Trail race was just
    highlighted in the Albany Times Union(NY). See


    http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=298087&category=SPORTS&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=10/25/2004

    Quoted message said:

    Of course they were nuts enough to interview me.


    <snip>

    In regards to the ice in the shorts comment:
    After running a mere hour in a pair of Adidas shorts I wanted ice in my
    shorts on Sunday. Very poor liner material/design. I was howling in the
    shower! Definitely won't be wearing them in NYC.
    What publication are the other quotes from?

  4. "Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In regards to the ice in the shorts comment:
    After running a mere hour in a pair of Adidas shorts I wanted ice in my
    shorts on Sunday. Very poor liner material/design.

    If it was chafing of your upper thighs that was the problem the answer is
    vaseline, a good liberal coating between the thighs and other "bits". If
    you can get someone to do it for you, so much the better. ;-)

    Tim

  5. "Lanceandrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    nice article but doug, but honestly...isn't there something so far out


    there,

    Quoted message said:

    on the extreme, about this "ultra" stuff that it migrates from "sport"


    and

    Quoted message said:

    morphs into a "masochistic" type of endeavor/act?

    Isn't all running masochistic to a degree? We all push ourselves well out
    of the "comfort zone" in pursuit of our goals. From personal experience I
    can vouch that a 43 miler doesn't have to be more painful than a shorter
    event. It can actually be very much more enjoyable.

    I don't think that there's any magical number at which it ceases to be a
    "sport".

    Tim

  6. "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The Saugerties runner has completed numerous marathons and
    ultra-marathon runs. He is a fixture at most local road races . and
    certainly at the post-race beverage tent.

    Why does that not surprise me. ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    He's also one of the funniest guys on the local running scene. A few
    years ago, after a column I wrote about the Race Around Briggs in Milan,
    Freese dubbed me ``wussy boy'' on the Onteora Runners Club e-mail list
    group for waxing poetic about the endless northern Dutchess County
    hills.

    Freese, however, is no ``wussy boy,'' that's for sure.

    Oh yeah? When's he coming over to Scotland to do the West Highland Way
    then?

    Cheers.

    Tim

  7. Doug Freese wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    My friend and RD of the infamous Escarpment Trail race was just
    highlighted in the Albany Times Union(NY). See
    http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=298087&category=SPOR


    TS&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=10/25/2004

    Quoted message said:

    Running streak is rather silly IMO, but his other exploits - and directing
    the escarpment tr run - is all good.

    -Tony

  8. Tim Downie said:


    "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The Saugerties runner has completed numerous marathons and
    ultra-marathon runs. He is a fixture at most local road races . and
    certainly at the post-race beverage tent.

    Why does that not surprise me. ;-)

    Yeah, that's quote that convinced me they were talking about OUR Doug.
    <g>

    Mike Tennent
    "IronPenguin"

  9. I bought two copies. Me and the canary are both enjoying it.

  10. "Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In regards to the ice in the shorts comment:
    After running a mere hour in a pair of Adidas shorts I wanted ice in
    my
    shorts on Sunday. Very poor liner material/design.

    If it was chafing of your upper thighs that was the problem the answer
    is
    vaseline, a good liberal coating between the thighs and other "bits".
    If
    you can get someone to do it for you, so much the better. ;-)

    I'll bet he talking about a very chaffed tallywhacker. Hint, he wanted
    ice IN his shorts.

    I had a similar problem with a newer pair of shorts. About 4 hours into
    a 5 hour run I had a very raw tally. With only one hour to go I did not
    want to stop so took the zip lock bag that contained my S!caps(removed
    the caps) and used it as a condom. It worked, thanked you very much and
    generates great laughter on a long run when I recap the story. Of course
    the story is now giant zip lock bag that contained 6 sandwiches during
    my run. Never confuse a good story with facts.

    -DougF

  11. "Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Oh yeah? When's he coming over to Scotland to do the West Highland
    Way
    then?

    As soon as the air fair shows up for me and a mistress. I don't know if
    I'd get out of the pubs in time to do the race.

    -Dougf

  12. "Mike Tennent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Tim Downie said:


    "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The Saugerties runner has completed numerous marathons and
    ultra-marathon runs. He is a fixture at most local road races . and
    certainly at the post-race beverage tent.

    Why does that not surprise me. ;-)

    Yeah, that's quote that convinced me they were talking about OUR Doug.
    <g>

    Some day you will all thank me for recommending the best post race
    carbo drink in the world.

    -Doug

  13. "Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    What publication are the other quotes from?

    Since I scalped it without formal permission I'd better not say.

    -D

  14. "Lanceandrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    nice article but doug, but honestly...isn't there something so far out
    there,
    on the extreme, about this "ultra" stuff that it migrates from
    "sport" and
    morphs into a "masochistic" type of endeavor/act?

    A race of any distance can be a masochistic event if you don't train.
    The definition of training encompasses a few more variables other than
    running such as eating, salt, etc etc.

    You won't believe me but I tell you, a 50k or 50 mile trail race is
    easier than a road marathon. It's an entirelly differernt type of event
    that involves runing and hiking and a alot kinder to your body than the
    road thon.

    The subway does not take you to Maryland but you should think about
    http://www.hatrun.com/ A perfect 50k for those that want to get a taste.

    Quoted message said:


    "My feet looked like squash"? A couple of years ago on this ng
    someone
    posted a physicians analysis of the typical scope/range of damage (and
    recovery
    time) associated w/racing 26.2mi. (on ligaments/joints/muscles, etc.)
    That
    analysis/report was bad enough.

    As far a feet go, not all people have problems. I have had a few small
    blisters at best in all my ultras including 5 100's.

    Quoted message said:

    The notion of doubling, tripling, and quadrupling that just strikes
    as....well
    a masochistic endeavor and not really as "racing event". I bet the
    waiver on
    the ws100 must be some pages long right? and cover a hell of a lot
    more than
    your typical marathon waiver?

    From the 5k to the 100 all the waivers say in effect, 'Yo [censored], if ya
    die or get hurt during this race tell go your mother cuz you ain't
    suing me."
    I don't th einsurance for these races is any more that your 5k. More
    people croak or get hurt in marathons than these races.

    Quoted message said:

    Has the ultra community ever made an effort to get Ultras in the
    Olympics?
    Response?

    I think there was a movement to get a 100k but have no idea where it
    stands.

    -Doug

  15. Subject: Re: Running Streaks/Blowing smoke
    From: [email hidden] (Miss Anne Thrope)

    Quoted message said:

    I bought two copies. Me and the canary are both enjoying it.


    __

    oh and the troll hits a "3" at the buzzer!. funny stuff!

  16. Miss Anne Thrope said:

    I bought two copies. Me and the canary are both enjoying it.

    The canary and "I."

    tkb

  17. "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In regards to the ice in the shorts comment:
    After running a mere hour in a pair of Adidas shorts I wanted ice in
    my
    shorts on Sunday. Very poor liner material/design.

    If it was chafing of your upper thighs that was the problem the answer
    is
    vaseline, a good liberal coating between the thighs and other "bits".
    If
    you can get someone to do it for you, so much the better. ;-)

    I'll bet he talking about a very chaffed tallywhacker. Hint, he wanted
    ice IN his shorts.

    Close, let's say it was the tallywhacker's buddies. I actually had the other
    issue after my recent marathon, different shorts though, marathon shorts
    from SOARK sports. Must be the particular type of material used for the
    liner. Strange though, I have worn the Adidas this long before without a
    problem.

    Quoted message said:

    I had a similar problem with a newer pair of shorts. About 4 hours into
    a 5 hour run I had a very raw tally. With only one hour to go I did not
    want to stop so took the zip lock bag that contained my S!caps(removed
    the caps) and used it as a condom. It worked, thanked you very much and
    generates great laughter on a long run when I recap the story. Of course
    the story is now giant zip lock bag that contained 6 sandwiches during
    my run. Never confuse a good story with facts.

    -DougF

  18. Doug Freese said:

    "Lanceandrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Has the ultra community ever made an effort to get Ultras in the
    Olympics?
    Response?

    I think there was a movement to get a 100k but have no idea where it
    stands.

    http://www.greece.gr/LIFE/Sport/ultramarathonman-2.stm

    but doesn't say what distance but 100k would be a logical one since it's
    the longest recognized by IAAF, I think (could be wrong). I think there
    were other attempts this year also, iirc from ultra list.

    I think there was a 50-k race walk this year..

    Dot

    --
    "So many people get stuck in the routine of life that their dreams waste
    away. This is about living the dream." - Cave Dog

  19. Doug Freese said:


    "Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    What publication are the other quotes from?

    Since I scalped it without formal permission I'd better not say.

    from a quick check it looks like it's no longer on the site anyway.

  20. Lanceandrew said:

    The notion of doubling, tripling, and quadrupling that just strikes
    as....well a masochistic endeavor and not really as "racing event". I bet
    the waiver on the ws100 must be some pages long right? and cover a hell of a
    lot more than your typical marathon waiver?

    "The marathon is the ultimate endurance test. Oh sure, people sometimes go
    longer than that. But 26.2 miles is where racing ends and where
    ludicrous extremes begin" - Joe Henderson

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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