Snowdon - Pyg versus Miners

Following up to Flat Earth Society

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Which route is best?

PYG

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Is one route more difficult than the other?

Not really, miners starts easier but then you have to battle up
to the PYG
You can conceivably stray on to Crib Goch on the PYG.

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Which route is most effected by poor weather?

PYG, higher earlier

<pedant mode>
Its PYG as it stands for Pen Yr Gwydd (sp?) the pub at the
original start before it became part road.
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Flat Earth Society said:

Which route is best?

Is one route more difficult than the other?

Which route is most effected by poor weather?

The Miners rout provides an alternative to the Pyg route for the first
third of the accent. From recent visit it looks as though their is a
link path between the to rather than just a Hack up to the Pyg. In poor
Weather their is not much between the two though I guess the Pyg is
marginally easier to keep to the route.

Peter

The Reids said:

<pedant mode>
Its PYG as it stands for Pen Yr Gwydd (sp?) the pub at the
original start before it became part road.

<pedant mode>
It's "it apostrophe s" because it is a contraction of "it is."
As you have it I am asking, "Its PYG what?"
</pedant>
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

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Flat Earth Society said:

Which route is best?

Is one route more difficult than the other?

Which route is most effected by poor weather?

Quoted message said:

The Miners rout provides an alternative to the Pyg route for the first
third of the accent. From recent visit it looks as though their is a
link path between the to rather than just a Hack up to the Pyg. In poor
Weather their is not much between the two though I guess the Pyg is
marginally easier to keep to the route.

It must be 25 years since I passed that way but I cannot reconcile
Peters note with my recollection or, for that matter, with a subsequent
look at the map.

The Miners Track is the low level path to Glaslyn which is a
(prohibited) vehicle track for a considerable distance. It is somewhat
longer than the pyg track and has the disadvantage that the ascent is
continuously steep (and IIRC loose) from the shore of Glaslyn to the
shoulder of Snowdon some 1200 feet higher. The pyg track joins the
Miners track (or vice-versa) about 400 feet up this slope having risen
only gently since passing Bwlch y Moch where the path over Crib Goch
branches off.

Personally I wouldn't have thought either route should give the the
average hill walker much of a problem but Crib Goch does have a bowel
loosening effect on the timid in places, particularly if it is windy.
However if you are up for it Crib Goch is by far the most entertaining
route. (The Miners being the least).

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 39 summits
New - 22 (Marilyns 8, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 11)
Repeats - 17( Marilyns 6, Sweats 12, Wainwrights 11)
Knackered knee - 4 times

Phil Cook wrote

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Quoted message said:

<pedant mode>
Its PYG as it stands for Pen Yr Gwydd (sp?) the pub at the
original start before it became part road.

<pedant mode>
It's "it apostrophe s" because it is a contraction of "it is."
As you have it I am asking, "Its PYG what?"
</pedant>

Phil, you need to improve your pedant software. The new version would have
pointed out that it's 'Pen y Gwryd', and the latest beta test would have
noted that the contraction should be PyG.

However, your version may have been infected by the 'couldn't give a
monkey's' virus, or possibly the 'get a life!' worm. You can get rid of
both of these by beating them with a copy of Fowler's modern English usage.
To be certain that this will work you must use the third edition. Though
using 'Eats, shoots and leaves' is effective in some cases it has inherent
flaws and will not work in every instance, so it's worth investing that
little bit more. And it is rather lighter than Fowler's too, which also
diminishes its efficacy.

Tony
Who has Fowler's switched on only to check incoming mail. Outgoing mail is
not screened by being beaten with a copy and so grammatical accuracy cannot
be guaranteed. The author accepts no responsibility for any loss or damage
to your ego, possessions, technology and on-line or street credibility that
you may incur by believing that beating newsgroup posts with a copy of
Fowler's modern English usage will improve them. This post may contain
traces of nuts and could have been in contact with genetically modified
material. Now wash your hands. Have a nice day. Missing you already.

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<pedant mode>
Its PYG as it stands for Pen Yr Gwydd (sp?) the pub at the
original start before it became part road.

I think you should have a word with those careless fellows at the OS who
have had it as the Pyg track at least as far back as my 1st series
1:25,000 goes.

For the map anorak - Sheet SH 65. Compiled from 6" sheets last fully
revised 1911-14. Other partial systematic revision 1948-49 has been
incorporated. Made and published ...... 1953. Reprinted with minor
changes 1961. Cost 6/6 net. I also have a Provisional edition which thus
must have been even earlier but AFAICT the map and legends are identical
apart from from the guillotining of the header which contains the only
reference to 'Provisional Edition'. The other principal difference is
that the Provision had to make do with a paper cover rather than on of
stiff paper/card.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 39 summits
New - 22 (Marilyns 8, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 11)
Repeats - 17( Marilyns 6, Sweats 12, Wainwrights 11)
Knackered knee - 4 times

Following up to Tony Buckley

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Phil, you need to improve your pedant software. The new version would have
pointed out that it's 'Pen y Gwryd', and the latest beta test would have
noted that the contraction should be PyG.

Does an initial remain lower case because the original word was
lower case? Get off my land, GOML. Or is this a rule of Welsh
grammar?

--
Mike Reid
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Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Following up to Phil Cook

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<pedant mode>
Its PYG as it stands for Pen Yr Gwydd (sp?) the pub at the
original start before it became part road.

<pedant mode>
It's "it apostrophe s" because it is a contraction of "it is."
As you have it I am asking, "Its PYG what?"
</pedant>

Deepest apologies, corrected version:-

It apostrophe s PYG as it stands for Pen y Gwryd, the pub at the
original start before it became part road.
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

Following up to Roger

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I think you should have a word with those careless fellows at the OS who
have had it as the Pyg track at least as far back as my 1st series
1:25,000 goes.

I think a lot of people say its Pyg because there are/were pigs
there, presumably seen flying over Crib Goch!
I started walking with a fairly ancient guide book (not Poucher)
that has it as PYG.
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Flat Earth Society <[email hidden]> wrote

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Which route is best?

Is one route more difficult than the other?

Which route is most effected by poor weather?

If you read all the other replies you will realise that you have nothing
to worry about. Just pay attention to grammar and semantics and you
will be fine.
--
Gordon

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:00:40 +0100, "Tony Buckley"

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Phil, you need to improve your pedant software. The new version would have
pointed out that it's 'Pen y Gwryd', and the latest beta test would have
noted that the contraction should be PyG.

Go back to the 1st Edition 1" OS Maps 1840 and it's Pen y gwryd (the
farm opposite where the hotel now is) along with Nant y gwryd and Pont
y gwryd.

Also:

"It is sometimes called the Pig Track because a gap in the spur
through which the path goes is called Bwlch y Moch. Moch with a long
'o'o means 'pigs' but old Welsh had an adverb or adjective 'moch' with
a short 'o' (cognate with the Latin 'mox'😉 meaning 'swift, rapid,
soon' which would more sensibly all ow Bwlch Moch to be translated
as'Short-cut Gap'. 'Pyg' is also surmised to have come from the
initials of Pen y Gwryd whose climbers were said to have called it the
P.Y.G. track at the start of the century to distinguish it from the
Miners' Track. Other suggested derivations have also been made but
none can be validated."

Snowdonia National Park, HMSO 1958

Brian

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Its PYG as it stands for Pen Yr Gwydd (sp?) the pub at the
original start before it became part road.

Well I didn't know that, I had always pictured a small herd of wild
welsh boar strolling up the path in the distant past.

--
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Roger said:

The Miners Track is the low level path to Glaslyn which is a
(prohibited) vehicle track for a considerable distance. It is somewhat
longer than the pyg track and has the disadvantage that the ascent is
continuously steep (and IIRC loose) from the shore of Glaslyn to the
shoulder of Snowdon some 1200 feet higher. The pyg track joins the
Miners track (or vice-versa) about 400 feet up this slope having risen
only gently since passing Bwlch y Moch where the path over Crib Goch
branches off.

Sorry obviously how I but it was not very good.

Peter

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Which route is best?

Pyg IMO. But you can go up one and down the other for variety.

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Is one route more difficult than the other?

Not really. You still have to climb the same height. But
the Miners has longer flat sections (and consequently
steeper sections too)

Quoted message said:

Which route is most effected by poor weather?

Probably the Pyg. But both should be OK.
Crib Goch however...

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Adrian

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Which route is best?

Depends on what you want.

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Is one route more difficult than the other?

Not really - again it depends on a lot of things

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Which route is most effected by poor weather?

Probably the PYG - but to be honest they both are. They're in
Snowdonia. QED.
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Fran
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Following up to Tony Buckley

Quoted message said:

Phil, you need to improve your pedant software. The new version would have
pointed out that it's 'Pen y Gwryd', and the latest beta test would have
noted that the contraction should be PyG.

Does an initial remain lower case because the original word was
lower case? Get off my land, GOML. Or is this a rule of Welsh
grammar?

It means 'the' or 'of the'. Would you use initial capitals in
English for these words? My guess it's as nebulous in Welsh.
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Fran
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[email hidden] (Flat Earth Society) wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Which route is best?

Pyg IMO. But you can go up one and down the other for variety.

Quoted message said:

Is one route more difficult than the other?

Not really. You still have to climb the same height. But
the Miners has longer flat sections (and consequently
steeper sections too)

Quoted message said:

Which route is most effected by poor weather?

Probably the Pyg. But both should be OK.
Crib Goch however...

.... isn't on the PYG. Just remember not to turn right.
--
Fran
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Which route is best?

Views:
IMO, the Miners' Track is better for the way up, as the view opens out
quicker to give much better scenery early on. The PyG is my choice for the
route down as it gives much better views over Pen y Pass to Glyder Fawr and
down the Llanberis valley.

Ease:
The Miners' is easier on the initial part, as it is nearly flat, but once
you have to start climbing up to the PyG, you regret the easy start. The
link path between them was being improved last summer, so it might be much
easier now. On balance, I think they are both easy and if you disagree, you
should be on the Llanberis path or (please excuse the insult) the train.

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Is one route more difficult than the other?

Both easy.

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Which route is most effected by poor weather?

Given that both route share the same route for the most difficult part of
the trip, I'm not sure this is relevant. You can certainly get lower
quicker on the Miners' and then have the sort of simple walk out that is
impossible to miss, so I guess you'd have to say the Miners', but the
weather difficulty is much more about the upper part of the route, which is
the same for both routes.

I prefer the Watkin path as it is much quieter, although it is difficult to
navigate the final 500m in bad weather (don't ask me how I know that!!!).
Not a route to take if you are worried about any of the routes though. I've
not done the Crib Goch route, but I expect that to be my favourite when I
get to try it later in the year (hopefully). Llanberis is the easiest
route, although quite long. The routes from the west (Ranger etc) I know
little about, which I really should rectify.

Have fun (and keep safe),
Paul

Gordon wrote

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If you read all the other replies you will realise that you have nothing
to worry about. Just pay attention to grammar and semantics and you
will be fine.

Absolutely. Who cares about whether you've got the lightest trowel,
adequate clothing, sufficient food and what the weather forecast is? Just
make sure that you don't split any infinitives and watch where you're
putting your gerunds and you'll be fine.

T.