Vango Storm Shelters

* The air of uk.rec.walking was filled with the delicate perfume
* of violets, as Judith <[email hidden]> descended on a
* shaft of golden sunlight, and announced:

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On 8 Sep 2004 18:52:23 GMT, Jim Ford <[email hidden]>

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I've recently bought a 2 person Terra Nova bothy bag to replace my orange
plastic survival bag and also as a shelter in a downpour.

How small do these two person bothy bags pack down? I've always
assumed they must be quite big.

I don't have it to hand but it's smaller and lighter than an orange survival
bag (which is one of the reasons I bought it). It packs down to about the
size of a 1lb jam jar. I'm going to bring it into work tomorrow and weigh
it.

Regards: Jim Ford

"Judith" <[email hidden]> wrote

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However, I reckon a bothy bag would be more bother (excuse the near
pun) for one person. Shame, cos it's another bit of kit I might fancy
buying!

Can't you stick a bag over your head? (No insult intended). One of those
plastic survival bags should serve the same purpose for soloists.

"Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote

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With all the recent sawing handle off titanium toothbrush threads I'm
surprised that on my limited dips into them nobody seems to have pointed
out that it's generally lighter with more people. My 2 person tent
comes in at 900g each, we only need 1 stove for the 2 of us, and so on.

I expect for a lot of people being alone is one of the main factors in the
whole wild camping experience. It is for me. If I go with anyone else we
either use a camper van or rent a cottage.

Judith said:

Peter Clinch said:

Find a pal... obviously if you prefer to be alone not a good option,
but if you can find a companion(s) to go out with there are other
practical upshots like weight saving.

How does that work then; you cut it in two and zip the bits together
when necessary ;-) smiley, yes, but his aspect of the "benefit in a
group situation" of carrying these things puzzles me... unless they
realy do zip together!

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(perish the thought) even climbing

8-] what!! wash that mouth out now!! ...and next time I want to see
climbing at the front of your list... else there'll be trubble!

SteveO

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Chris Townsend said:

3/4 person one, which is better for two.

This is getting bizarre... a three-quarter person one, what like, for
toddlers ye mean??
;-)

SteveO

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Judith <[email hidden]> wrote

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Dave Fawthrop said:

Packed Size Weight SRP
2 person 22cm x 11.5cm 495gms £30.00

IMO Quite impressive, and worth concidering.

Yes, I suppose that's not bad for a two-person shelter. However, I
usually walk alone and, as others have said, these shelters are best
for groups so that you can keep the material taut.

It sounds like they would be ideal for situations where some of the
group are not as experienced/confident/motivated as the rest and you
need to spend a bit of time out of the wind/rain to reboost morale.

I'll just carry on having the rain running down my nose into my tea!

Judith

I bought a very light, compact <6" long) umbrella in Sainsburys for 9.99
the other day which would fit in a pocket or get lost in the rucksack.
Good enough for keeping sandwiches dry at lunch stops.
--
Gordon

SteveO said:

8-] what!! wash that mouth out now!! ...and next time I want to see
climbing at the front of your list... else there'll be trubble!

Just like an 8-year-old school kid can quite happily announce that
s/he has "done Algebra" or "done equations", I have now "done"
climbing. There is nothing else I could possibly need to know (apart
from perhaps a quick refresher on belaying, which I can see could be
useful.) I climbed halfway up .... I fell off. I tried again...... I
got to the top. I went round again a few times and thought "so,
what's the point of this then ...... if you can walk back down to the
bottom, from the top, why not just walk to the top in the first
place?"

Judith
(In Troll mode and ready for a flame war!!!)

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Judith <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Dave Fawthrop said:

Packed Size Weight SRP
2 person 22cm x 11.5cm 495gms £30.00

IMO Quite impressive, and worth concidering.

Yes, I suppose that's not bad for a two-person shelter. However, I
usually walk alone and, as others have said, these shelters are best
for groups so that you can keep the material taut.

It sounds like they would be ideal for situations where some of the
group are not as experienced/confident/motivated as the rest and you
need to spend a bit of time out of the wind/rain to reboost morale.

I'll just carry on having the rain running down my nose into my tea!

Judith

I bought a very light, compact <6" long) umbrella in Sainsburys for 9.99
the other day which would fit in a pocket or get lost in the rucksack.
Good enough for keeping sandwiches dry at lunch stops.
--
Gordon

Ha ha ha! - I can just see you on the Ben in horizontal sleet with a brolly!
Might be an interesting way off though - "look Mum, there's Mary Poppins in
a bobble hat!"

druish

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 19:28:28 +0100, Judith
<[email hidden]> wrote:

| On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:51:48 +0100, SteveO wrote:
|
| >8-] what!! wash that mouth out now!! ...and next time I want to see
| >climbing at the front of your list... else there'll be trubble!
|
|
| Just like an 8-year-old school kid can quite happily announce that
| s/he has "done Algebra" or "done equations", I have now "done"
| climbing. There is nothing else I could possibly need to know (apart
| from perhaps a quick refresher on belaying, which I can see could be
| useful.) I climbed halfway up .... I fell off. I tried again...... I
| got to the top. I went round again a few times and thought "so,
| what's the point of this then ...... if you can walk back down to the
| bottom, from the top, why not just walk to the top in the first
| place?"
|
| Judith
| (In Troll mode and ready for a flame war!!!)

1/10 Must try harder ;-)

--
Dave F

Dave Fawthrop said:

| Judith
| (In Troll mode and ready for a flame war!!!)

1/10 Must try harder ;-)

What AMI WALK in scotLand>?

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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 19:28:28 +0100, Judith
<[email hidden]> wrote:

....

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| (In Troll mode and ready for a flame war!!!)

1/10 Must try harder ;-)

That's generous, considering she didn't even crosspost to any other groups :-)
--
"As for the hexamine stove. OW! Burnt fingers again!..... and the
bloody thing's gone out.....OW! no it hasn't." - Judith in uk.rec.walking

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All of my friends think I am a loony.

Not true. Some of us *know* you're a loony <ducks>
--
I try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me
as a dire warning.

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Dave Fawthrop said:

| Judith
| (In Troll mode and ready for a flame war!!!)

1/10 Must try harder ;-)

What AMI WALK in scotLand>?

LOL!
--
I try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me
as a dire warning.

Fran said:

Not true. Some of us *know* you're a loony <ducks>

Why, Thank you very much. <beam!>

There have been times in my life when I have tried to be normal[1]. I
failed. The rest of the world should just try to adjust around me! (I
ain't 'urting no-one.)

Judith
[1 Examples:
- Going to nightclubs. Why? Can't talk to people and they never serve
real ale..... and even if they did it'd be 47 quid a pint.
- Wearing uncomfortable^Wfashionable shoes. Oh, I love hurting my
feet all day, Not.
- Saying one thing when I mean another. If you've got nowt to say,
belt up.
- Spending a fortune on over-priced, over-specified outdoor gear .....
oh, hang on, I *do* do that one. [See? Back on topic.]

* The air of uk.rec.walking was filled with the delicate perfume
* of violets, as Gordon <[email hidden]> descended on a shaft
* of golden sunlight, and announced:

Quoted message said:

I bought a very light, compact <6" long) umbrella in Sainsburys for 9.99
the other day which would fit in a pocket or get lost in the rucksack.
Good enough for keeping sandwiches dry at lunch stops.

I used one in the Cairngorms recently. I clipped a carrabiner attached to my
rucksac onto the handle loop and tucked it between the small of my back and
the sac. I was the able to deploy it without taking the sac off. It was
really handy for 5 minute showers and it'll probably remain as part of my kit.

Regards: Jim Ford

Jim Ford <[email hidden]> wrote

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* The air of uk.rec.walking was filled with the delicate perfume
* of violets, as Gordon <[email hidden]> descended on a shaft
* of golden sunlight, and announced:

Quoted message said:

I bought a very light, compact <6" long) umbrella in Sainsburys for 9.99
the other day which would fit in a pocket or get lost in the rucksack.
Good enough for keeping sandwiches dry at lunch stops.

I used one in the Cairngorms recently. I clipped a carrabiner attached to my
rucksac onto the handle loop and tucked it between the small of my back and
the sac. I was the able to deploy it without taking the sac off. It was
really handy for 5 minute showers and it'll probably remain as part of my kit.

Regards: Jim Ford

:-)
But does it replace abseiling as the quickest descent from a crag?

I laughed at my walking companion a few years ago when she stuffed one
in her sack, but she had the last laugh when we stopped for lunch in a
downpour.....
--
Gordon

Judith said:

I have now "done"
climbing. There is nothing else I could possibly need to know (apart
from perhaps a quick refresher on belaying, which I can see could be
useful.) I climbed halfway up .... I fell off. I tried again...... I
got to the top. I went round again a few times and thought "so,
what's the point of this then ......

Kewl, it worked then; show someone the most banal piece of rock you
can find, no challenge, etc., and they don't come back... leaving the
best stuff free for those with greater insight ;-)

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Judith
(In Troll mode and ready for a flame war!!!)

oh?? sorry, I thought you were being serious!

SteveO

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Judith said:

Just like an 8-year-old school kid can quite happily announce that
s/he has "done Algebra" or "done equations", I have now "done"
climbing. There is nothing else I could possibly need to know (apart
from perhaps a quick refresher on belaying, which I can see could be
useful.) I climbed halfway up .... I fell off. I tried again...... I
got to the top. I went round again a few times and thought "so,
what's the point of this then ...... if you can walk back down to the
bottom, from the top, why not just walk to the top in the first
place?"

What you should maybe try is a very big, relatively easy classic
mountain route. Something like, say, Caliban's Creep on Arran. The
route is several hundred feet and it puts you in amazing situations
which you just won't get walking, so as long as you regard bits of
mountain other than the actual top as interesting.

The climbing isn't technically that hard so you're unlikely to fall but
it is exposed and you'd be quite unusual if you'd be happy doing it
without a rope.

I rarely bother with climbing walls as I like climbing more for the
places rather than the actual climbing. But a big mountain route can
put you in the most amazing places you've ever been, completely off
limits to walkers.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter Clinch said:

Judith said:

Just like an 8-year-old school kid can quite happily announce that
s/he has "done Algebra" or "done equations", I have now "done"
climbing.

Quoted message said:

What you should maybe try is a very big, relatively easy classic
mountain route. Something like, say, Caliban's Creep on Arran. The
route is several hundred feet and it puts you in amazing situations
which you just won't get walking,

shh, Pete, shhhh

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I rarely bother with climbing walls as I like climbing more for the
places rather than the actual climbing. But a big mountain route can
put you in the most amazing places you've ever been, completely off
limits to walkers.

SHUSH MAN!

Judith's right, she's perfectly correct in her assessment of what you
can get out of climbing.... Judith, you just stay on terra
horizontalis its the best place _ever_ !

....you have my word
....as a bona fide City Tour Guide

SteveO

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SteveO said:

Judith, you just stay on terra
horizontalis its the best place _ever_ !

Okey dokey. I'll go back to bed then.

Judith