FA: OS Landranger maps

Dewi said:

I have a few that are 5-7 years old, thinking about it I can get my
hands of quite a few maps in the region of 10-20 years old, how much
will you pay for them?

I've got most of the ones I want but if you have any of Dorset or
thereabouts....

Put a list up here and I'm sure you'll find takers. I'm still using a
map that doesn't have the M6 at Preston - the first stretch of motorway
ever built - on it.

Tony

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:32:37 +0100, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>
uttered:

Quoted message said:

Dewi said:

So they show all the new cycle paths?

How many of those are there over the last 7 years?

Tony

Here in North Wales bloody loads....

So I would guess, bloody thousands of miles across the UK...

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There are some for sale here, too. Look about halfway down the page
(under the 'Miscellaneous' heading).

http://www.bwelectronics.co.uk/bitsforsale.html

-adrian

David Martin said:

On 10/10/04 6:12 pm, in article [email hidden],

Pete Biggs said:

Dewi said:

Who would want to buy old maps?

Me. New landranger maps cost about 6 quid each, that's
expensive if you want a load of them. 7 year old maps are
still useful for cycling.

7 year old maps are mere youngsters compared with most of
mine. Median age is probably around ten years, possibly older.

Most towns don't get up and move around. Things do appear
(such as the M40 from Oxford which isn't on any of my Oxford
maps) but in general, 7 years is still perfectly serviceable.

..d

I've got a couple of maps dated 1944 of parts of northern Scotland that are
still reasonable to use as long as you can read German.
--
Mark

1x1 wheel, 3x2 wheels & 1x3 wheels.

the.Mark said:

I've got a couple of maps dated 1944 of parts of northern Scotland that are
still reasonable to use as long as you can read German.

1944? Auf Deutsch?

Erm.... do they only show power stations, docks and dams?

Judith

Just zis Guy said:

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:21:05 +0100, David Martin
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Most towns don't get up and move around. Things do appear (such as
the M40 from Oxford which isn't on any of my Oxford maps) but in
general, 7 years is still perfectly serviceable.

Exactly. And you can always get out the latest motoring atlas and
cross-check for new motorways blocking your path as part of your route
planning.

Guy

My favourite road atlas doesn't show the new A1-M1 link near Leeds :-(, it
does show contour lines though which the new ones don't. Of course I have
new road atlases which are frequent bedtime reading. How else do I find
those whacky place names that I base some rides around. BTW Clive, I didn't
bother going to Wham today though I was mighty close.

On 10/10/04 10:12 pm, in article [email hidden],

the.Mark said:

David Martin said:

On 10/10/04 6:12 pm, in article [email hidden],

Pete Biggs said:

Dewi wrote:

> Who would want to buy old maps?

Me. New landranger maps cost about 6 quid each, that's
expensive if you want a load of them. 7 year old maps are
still useful for cycling.

7 year old maps are mere youngsters compared with most of
mine. Median age is probably around ten years, possibly older.

Most towns don't get up and move around. Things do appear
(such as the M40 from Oxford which isn't on any of my Oxford
maps) but in general, 7 years is still perfectly serviceable.

..d

I've got a couple of maps dated 1944 of parts of northern Scotland that are
still reasonable to use as long as you can read German.

The Scottish Library has some from the 1700's of Fife and Tayside that are
fine if you can read Dutch..

(OK, who is going to post about a map engraved on a stone that is fine if
you can read viking runes...)

Most of mine seem to be from revisions around the late 80's - early 90's.
There are occasionally new bits that merit updating a map but in general the
older maps are still good for most uses I put them to.

...d

Dewi said:

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:12:10 +0100, "Pete Biggs"
<[email hidden]> uttered:

Quoted message said:

Dewi said:

Who would want to buy old maps?

Me. New landranger maps cost about 6 quid each, that's expensive if
you want a load of them. 7 year old maps are still useful for
cycling.

~PB

So they show all the new cycle paths?

On one of my old maps, NCN 66, the Spen Valley Greenway is shown as a
disused railway !!!

The message <[email hidden]>
from "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> contains these words:

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My twenty-year-old map of Snowdonia still seems correct. Snowdon
still in the same place, Glyder Fach not moved, no new peaks between
Carnedd Dafydd and Carnedd Llewellyn...

If that is the 1:50000 sheet 115, 'Caernarvon & Bangor', don't bank on
it. The 2nd series label is a fraud. The contours were lifted directly
from the 1" and don't show the 15th Welsh 3000.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 69 summits
New - 47 (Marilyns 13, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 35)
Repeats - 22( Marilyns 7, Sweats 16, Wainwrights 16)

Tony Raven said:

Put a list up here and I'm sure you'll find takers. I'm still using a
map that doesn't have the M6 at Preston - the first stretch of motorway
ever built - on it.

I sometimes borrow maps off my Dad, that he had when he was a student.
As you say, the montains mostly haven't moved, but one or two of the
lochs have grown to an inconvenient size :-)

James
--
If I have seen further than others, it is
by treading on the toes of giants.
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/

Dewi said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So they show all the new cycle paths?

How many of those are there over the last 7 years?

Here in North Wales bloody loads....

So I would guess, bloody thousands of miles across the UK...

Loads down here in South Wales too. Even if the paths themselves are
not all new, the route designations are, and there's also the issue of
whether the paths are surfaced or not, which the new maps conveniently
show. Quite a few previously unsurfaced routes have been surfaced in
recent years.

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

Dewi said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Who would want to buy old maps?

Me. New landranger maps cost about 6 quid each, that's expensive if
you want a load of them. 7 year old maps are still useful for
cycling.

So they show all the new cycle paths?

The what paths? I cycle on the roads, thanks :-)

I happened to update my old my old Landranger maps recently, some of which
were pre M25. eBay came in handy and saved me a packet. The ones I got
were mostly 2 to 4 years old, but I didn't mind getting a 7 and even a 12
year old one, cheap.

Ok, so some roads will now be fatter, some cross-roads will be
roundabouts, there may even be the odd new road or development, but none
of this makes any important difference to most bike rides.

~PB

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:59:57 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

The message <[email hidden]>
from "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

My twenty-year-old map of Snowdonia still seems correct. Snowdon
still in the same place, Glyder Fach not moved, no new peaks between
Carnedd Dafydd and Carnedd Llewellyn...

If that is the 1:50000 sheet 115, 'Caernarvon & Bangor', don't bank on
it. The 2nd series label is a fraud. The contours were lifted directly
from the 1" and don't show the 15th Welsh 3000.

But you do get the infamous district boundary symbol that folk thought
was a path even though it went straight over Ysgolion Duon/Black
Ladders

At this time there were also 1st series 1:50k maps with 10m contours.
A very confusing era of transition. Still 65p a map was nice.

Richard Webb

Quoted message said:

Ok, so some roads will now be fatter, some cross-roads will be
roundabouts, there may even be the odd new road or development, but none
of this makes any important difference to most bike rides.

Use your maps, and have a quick check beforehand with getamap.co.uk

Richard Webb

Paul Saunders said:

Loads down here in South Wales too. Even if the paths themselves are
not all new, the route designations are, and there's also the issue of
whether the paths are surfaced or not, which the new maps conveniently
show. Quite a few previously unsurfaced routes have been surfaced in
recent years.

How are they shown on the maps? AFAIK there is a limited set of options
in the Ordnance Survey mapping for right of way and path surface doesn't
feature. I assume you mean white roads getting coloured yellow but
other than that I'm not aware of anything showing what the surface of a
bridleway or abandoned railway track is. The only problem I've had in
an admittedly small encounter with cycling in Wales was a yellow road
that had been reclassified as a white road on a newer map but I doubt
that it had been tarmaced for many years before the map was changed.

Tony

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:59:36 +0100, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>
uttered:

Quoted message said:

Paul Saunders said:

Loads down here in South Wales too. Even if the paths themselves are
not all new, the route designations are, and there's also the issue of
whether the paths are surfaced or not, which the new maps conveniently
show. Quite a few previously unsurfaced routes have been surfaced in
recent years.

How are they shown on the maps? AFAIK there is a limited set of options
in the Ordnance Survey mapping for right of way and path surface doesn't
feature. I assume you mean white roads getting coloured yellow but
other than that I'm not aware of anything showing what the surface of a
bridleway or abandoned railway track is. The only problem I've had in
an admittedly small encounter with cycling in Wales was a yellow road
that had been reclassified as a white road on a newer map but I doubt
that it had been tarmaced for many years before the map was changed.

Tony

http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/freefun/understandingmapping.html

yes, cycle networks have their own symbols, but this could be just
following an existing road/track.

Then there is another symbol to indicate if the cycle route is
surfaced

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Dewi said:

Then there is another symbol to indicate if the cycle route is
surfaced

You learn something every day.

Tony

Tony Raven said:

How are they shown on the maps? AFAIK there is a limited set of
options in the Ordnance Survey mapping for right of way and path
surface doesn't feature. I assume you mean white roads getting
coloured yellow

No. In my experience the fact that a road is white is no indication of
whether it's surfaced or not, sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't.

Quoted message said:

but other than that I'm not aware of anything showing
what the surface of a bridleway or abandoned railway track is.

The new national cycle network is indicated by large green dots (too
large IMO). If surfaced there are green dashes between the dots.

However, when the network follows a road, only the green dots are shown,
even though in most cases the roads will obviously be surfaced. But
there's no guarantee that they are. There are a few sections on my maps
that I'm really not sure about, I'll have to go there to find out. I
have found one example where green dashes are shown on a road, but that
seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

Anyway, go to the official website to get details of all the current and
proposed routes, with maps. Green routes are traffic-free, red follow
roads.
http://www.sustrans.org.uk/

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Anyway, go to the official website to get details of all the current and
proposed routes, with maps. Green routes are traffic-free, red follow
roads.
http://www.sustrans.org.uk/

Whilst Sustrans label green routes as being "traffic-free" on their website,
I think it's nearer to true to say that they are *almost* traffic free. In
some cases, green routes seem to run along gravel/stone roads that I know
are unclassifed roads that are used by the occasional motor-cyclist and car.

For example, I have driven along http://tinyurl.com/3kabm on several
occasions whilst on holiday (it is gravel but almost smooth enough to roller
skate on) - and although I've seen a few walkers, the odd motorcyclist & one
or two 4x4s, I've yet to see a cyclist on it (maybe I've just been unlucky).

In some cases, the Sustrans site is a bit of of date too. This route
http://tinyurl.com/5dug2 - at least the part of it to the SE of the main
A487T - is an unclassified road. It was covered in tarmac two years ago
(for the benefit of cyclists I'm told) and now looks a real eyesore.

Cheers
Andrew Kay

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:53:53 +0100, "Paul Saunders"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

| Anyway, go to the official website to get details of all the current and
| proposed routes, with maps. Green routes are traffic-free, red follow
| roads.
| http://www.sustrans.org.uk/

How strange!
I always thought that cycles and indeed people were traffic.

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