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  1. I checked the google archives, and didn't see that this Web MD article
    has been posted before, but I might have missed it.

    This article is titled "Will Low-Carb Diets Untimately Make Us Fat?"

    http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/92/101785.htm

    I'm new to LCing, but it seems to me that there are a number of
    inaccuracies about LCing in the article, and I'd appreciate a critique
    of the article by more knowledgable posters.

    Quoting one critic of low carbing:

    " 'In the long term, there is no question that low-carb diets will be
    shown to be dangerous,' he says, noting that hundreds of
    epidemiological studies around the world have demonstrated that
    high-carbohydrate foods such as fruits, vegetables, and whole grains
    reduce risk of heart disease and prevent cancer."

    Does any LC eating plan keep one from eating vegetables and fruits?

    And is it only the high carb veggies that reduce the risk of heart
    disease and cancer?

    SB also allows whole grains, so what's this guy's gripe? (I'm not
    familiar with whether other LC diets allow whole grains. Do they?)

    Seems to me that much of the criticism of LCing in the article has to
    do with the new lc products coming out now. So how does that make LC
    with naturally LC foods dangerous?

    Nat
    254/232/140
    SB since 7/19/04

  2. I eat more veggies on LC than I ever ate on what would be considered an
    EXTREMELY healthy diet prior...

    Peace,
    Pen

    "Nat TheBrat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I checked the google archives, and didn't see that this Web MD article
    has been posted before, but I might have missed it.

    This article is titled "Will Low-Carb Diets Untimately Make Us Fat?"

    http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/92/101785.htm

    I'm new to LCing, but it seems to me that there are a number of
    inaccuracies about LCing in the article, and I'd appreciate a critique
    of the article by more knowledgable posters.

    Quoting one critic of low carbing:

    " 'In the long term, there is no question that low-carb diets will be
    shown to be dangerous,' he says, noting that hundreds of
    epidemiological studies around the world have demonstrated that
    high-carbohydrate foods such as fruits, vegetables, and whole grains
    reduce risk of heart disease and prevent cancer."

    Does any LC eating plan keep one from eating vegetables and fruits?

    And is it only the high carb veggies that reduce the risk of heart
    disease and cancer?

    SB also allows whole grains, so what's this guy's gripe? (I'm not
    familiar with whether other LC diets allow whole grains. Do they?)

    Seems to me that much of the criticism of LCing in the article has to
    do with the new lc products coming out now. So how does that make LC
    with naturally LC foods dangerous?

    Nat
    254/232/140
    SB since 7/19/04

  3. Diet bashing, especially low carb types, is as common and dirty as is
    political bashing of liberals by conservatives.

    Conservatives, and "low fat" believers want things as they are and have
    been.

    No changes.....

    Therefore all this new sounding stuff is automatically bad. [liberal
    proposals, or "low carb" eating - which disturbs the normal food
    industry of the USA.

    Jim

    Nat TheBrat said:

    I checked the google archives, and didn't see that this Web MD article
    has been posted before, but I might have missed it.

    This article is titled "Will Low-Carb Diets Untimately Make Us Fat?"

    http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/92/101785.htm

    I'm new to LCing, but it seems to me that there are a number of
    inaccuracies about LCing in the article, and I'd appreciate a critique
    of the article by more knowledgable posters.

    Quoting one critic of low carbing:

    " 'In the long term, there is no question that low-carb diets will be
    shown to be dangerous,' he says, noting that hundreds of
    epidemiological studies around the world have demonstrated that
    high-carbohydrate foods such as fruits, vegetables, and whole grains
    reduce risk of heart disease and prevent cancer."

    Does any LC eating plan keep one from eating vegetables and fruits?

    And is it only the high carb veggies that reduce the risk of heart
    disease and cancer?

    I doubt that there is any evidence... and it doesn't really make sense.

    Quoted message said:


    SB also allows whole grains, so what's this guy's gripe? (I'm not
    familiar with whether other LC diets allow whole grains. Do they?)

    Seems to me that much of the criticism of LCing in the article has to
    do with the new lc products coming out now. So how does that make LC
    with naturally LC foods dangerous?

    They are changes, and therefore are dangerous.

    Quoted message said:

    Nat
    254/232/140
    SB since 7/19/04

  4. jbuch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Diet bashing, especially low carb types, is as common and dirty as is
    political bashing of liberals by conservatives.

    Conservatives, and "low fat" believers want things as they are and have
    been.

    No changes.....

    And of course it's not common or dirty for someone like you to throw
    mud the other way and turn a LC thread into a political one is it?
    That's perfectly OK right?

    Therefore all this new sounding stuff is automatically bad. [liberal

    Quoted message said:

    proposals, or "low carb" eating - which disturbs the normal food
    industry of the USA.

    Jim

    Nat TheBrat said:

    I checked the google archives, and didn't see that this Web MD article
    has been posted before, but I might have missed it.

    This article is titled "Will Low-Carb Diets Untimately Make Us Fat?"

    http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/92/101785.htm

    I'm new to LCing, but it seems to me that there are a number of
    inaccuracies about LCing in the article, and I'd appreciate a critique
    of the article by more knowledgable posters.

    Quoting one critic of low carbing:

    " 'In the long term, there is no question that low-carb diets will be
    shown to be dangerous,' he says, noting that hundreds of
    epidemiological studies around the world have demonstrated that
    high-carbohydrate foods such as fruits, vegetables, and whole grains
    reduce risk of heart disease and prevent cancer."

    Does any LC eating plan keep one from eating vegetables and fruits?

    And is it only the high carb veggies that reduce the risk of heart
    disease and cancer?

    I doubt that there is any evidence... and it doesn't really make sense.

    Quoted message said:


    SB also allows whole grains, so what's this guy's gripe? (I'm not
    familiar with whether other LC diets allow whole grains. Do they?)

    Seems to me that much of the criticism of LCing in the article has to
    do with the new lc products coming out now. So how does that make LC
    with naturally LC foods dangerous?

    They are changes, and therefore are dangerous.

    Quoted message said:

    Nat
    254/232/140
    SB since 7/19/04

  5. People says on this forum that if you eat under 100g of carbs per day, then
    you're eating low carb. I am sure there's some reason behind this limit but I
    have no idea where to find it. Whole grain or no whole grain on this 100g, it's
    your call.

    To say that veg are high carbs is nonsense. Take broccoli, famous for its
    antioxidant effects and said to lower chances of getting cancer, you wonder how
    many grams of carbs are there in a 1 cup? 3.54 g net carb (total carb - fibre)
    If this is "high carb", what do you call, say chocolate rice pudding?
    "Skyscrapper carb"?

    The article is right about the sweeteners though.

    Nat TheBrat said:

    I checked the google archives, and didn't see that this Web MD article
    has been posted before, but I might have missed it.

    This article is titled "Will Low-Carb Diets Untimately Make Us Fat?"

    http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/92/101785.htm

    I'm new to LCing, but it seems to me that there are a number of
    inaccuracies about LCing in the article, and I'd appreciate a critique
    of the article by more knowledgable posters.

    Quoting one critic of low carbing:

    " 'In the long term, there is no question that low-carb diets will be
    shown to be dangerous,' he says, noting that hundreds of
    epidemiological studies around the world have demonstrated that
    high-carbohydrate foods such as fruits, vegetables, and whole grains
    reduce risk of heart disease and prevent cancer."

    Does any LC eating plan keep one from eating vegetables and fruits?

    And is it only the high carb veggies that reduce the risk of heart
    disease and cancer?

    SB also allows whole grains, so what's this guy's gripe? (I'm not
    familiar with whether other LC diets allow whole grains. Do they?)

    Seems to me that much of the criticism of LCing in the article has to
    do with the new lc products coming out now. So how does that make LC
    with naturally LC foods dangerous?

  6. Chet Hayes said:

    jbuch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Diet bashing, especially low carb types, is as common and dirty as is
    political bashing of liberals by conservatives.

    Conservatives, and "low fat" believers want things as they are and have
    been.

    No changes.....

    And of course it's not common or dirty for someone like you to throw
    mud the other way and turn a LC thread into a political one is it?
    That's perfectly OK right?

    I am such a dirty slimy scumball for what I said, aren't I?

    Quoted message said:

    Therefore all this new sounding stuff is automatically bad. [liberal

    Quoted message said:

    proposals, or "low carb" eating - which disturbs the normal food
    industry of the USA.

    Jim

    Nat TheBrat said:

    I checked the google archives, and didn't see that this Web MD article
    has been posted before, but I might have missed it.

    This article is titled "Will Low-Carb Diets Untimately Make Us Fat?"

    http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/92/101785.htm

    I'm new to LCing, but it seems to me that there are a number of
    inaccuracies about LCing in the article, and I'd appreciate a critique
    of the article by more knowledgable posters.

    Quoting one critic of low carbing:

    " 'In the long term, there is no question that low-carb diets will be
    shown to be dangerous,' he says, noting that hundreds of
    epidemiological studies around the world have demonstrated that
    high-carbohydrate foods such as fruits, vegetables, and whole grains
    reduce risk of heart disease and prevent cancer."

    Does any LC eating plan keep one from eating vegetables and fruits?

    And is it only the high carb veggies that reduce the risk of heart
    disease and cancer?

    I doubt that there is any evidence... and it doesn't really make sense.

    Quoted message said:

    SB also allows whole grains, so what's this guy's gripe? (I'm not
    familiar with whether other LC diets allow whole grains. Do they?)

    Seems to me that much of the criticism of LCing in the article has to
    do with the new lc products coming out now. So how does that make LC
    with naturally LC foods dangerous?

    They are changes, and therefore are dangerous.

    Quoted message said:


    Nat
    254/232/140
    SB since 7/19/04

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  7. jbuch said:
    Chet Hayes said:

    And of course it's not common or dirty for someone like you to throw
    mud the other way and turn a LC thread into a political one is it?
    That's perfectly OK right?


    I am such a dirty slimy scumball for what I said, aren't I?

    Possibly.

  8. jbuch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Chet Hayes said:

    jbuch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Diet bashing, especially low carb types, is as common and dirty as is
    political bashing of liberals by conservatives.

    Conservatives, and "low fat" believers want things as they are and have
    been.

    No changes.....

    And of course it's not common or dirty for someone like you to throw
    mud the other way and turn a LC thread into a political one is it?
    That's perfectly OK right?

    I am such a dirty slimy scumball for what I said, aren't I?

    No, just crystal clear example of a hypocrite.

    Scott

  9. jbuch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Diet bashing, especially low carb types, is as common and dirty as is
    political bashing of liberals by conservatives.

    Conservatives, and "low fat" believers want things as they are and have
    been.

    Uh, in my experience the vast majority of "low fat believers" are
    liberals. You don't find many Republicans eating tofu and bean
    sprouts.

    Quoted message said:


    No changes.....

    Therefore all this new sounding stuff is automatically bad. [liberal
    proposals, or "low carb" eating - which disturbs the normal food
    industry of the USA.

    Jim

    Nat TheBrat said:

    I checked the google archives, and didn't see that this Web MD article
    has been posted before, but I might have missed it.

    This article is titled "Will Low-Carb Diets Untimately Make Us Fat?"

    http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/92/101785.htm

    I'm new to LCing, but it seems to me that there are a number of
    inaccuracies about LCing in the article, and I'd appreciate a critique
    of the article by more knowledgable posters.

    Quoting one critic of low carbing:

    " 'In the long term, there is no question that low-carb diets will be
    shown to be dangerous,' he says, noting that hundreds of
    epidemiological studies around the world have demonstrated that
    high-carbohydrate foods such as fruits, vegetables, and whole grains
    reduce risk of heart disease and prevent cancer."

    Does any LC eating plan keep one from eating vegetables and fruits?

    And is it only the high carb veggies that reduce the risk of heart
    disease and cancer?

    I doubt that there is any evidence... and it doesn't really make sense.

    Quoted message said:


    SB also allows whole grains, so what's this guy's gripe? (I'm not
    familiar with whether other LC diets allow whole grains. Do they?)

    Seems to me that much of the criticism of LCing in the article has to
    do with the new lc products coming out now. So how does that make LC
    with naturally LC foods dangerous?

    They are changes, and therefore are dangerous.

    Quoted message said:

    Nat
    254/232/140
    SB since 7/19/04

  10. jbuch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Diet bashing, especially low carb types, is as common and dirty as is
    political bashing of liberals by conservatives.

    Conservatives, and "low fat" believers want things as they are and have
    been.

    Uh, in my experience the vast majority of "low fat believers" are
    liberals. You don't find many Republicans eating tofu and bean
    sprouts.

    Quoted message said:


    No changes.....

    Therefore all this new sounding stuff is automatically bad. [liberal
    proposals, or "low carb" eating - which disturbs the normal food
    industry of the USA.

    Jim

    Nat TheBrat said:

    I checked the google archives, and didn't see that this Web MD article
    has been posted before, but I might have missed it.

    This article is titled "Will Low-Carb Diets Untimately Make Us Fat?"

    http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/92/101785.htm

    I'm new to LCing, but it seems to me that there are a number of
    inaccuracies about LCing in the article, and I'd appreciate a critique
    of the article by more knowledgable posters.

    Quoting one critic of low carbing:

    " 'In the long term, there is no question that low-carb diets will be
    shown to be dangerous,' he says, noting that hundreds of
    epidemiological studies around the world have demonstrated that
    high-carbohydrate foods such as fruits, vegetables, and whole grains
    reduce risk of heart disease and prevent cancer."

    Does any LC eating plan keep one from eating vegetables and fruits?

    And is it only the high carb veggies that reduce the risk of heart
    disease and cancer?

    I doubt that there is any evidence... and it doesn't really make sense.

    Quoted message said:


    SB also allows whole grains, so what's this guy's gripe? (I'm not
    familiar with whether other LC diets allow whole grains. Do they?)

    Seems to me that much of the criticism of LCing in the article has to
    do with the new lc products coming out now. So how does that make LC
    with naturally LC foods dangerous?

    They are changes, and therefore are dangerous.

    Quoted message said:

    Nat
    254/232/140
    SB since 7/19/04

  11. Tony Lew generously shared with us this little ditty:

    Quoted message said:

    jbuch <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Diet bashing, especially low carb types, is as common and dirty as is
    political bashing of liberals by conservatives.

    Conservatives, and "low fat" believers want things as they are and
    have been.

    Uh, in my experience the vast majority of "low fat believers" are
    liberals. You don't find many Republicans eating tofu and bean
    sprouts.

    Now now, you must allow them their illusions or they will self destruct.
    While not such a bad thing overall, it does leave stains on the carpet
    and walls that are really hard to get out.

    --
    revek
    You are in a maze of twisty little messages, all alike.

  12. Skaught generously shared with us this little ditty:

    Quoted message said:

    jbuch <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Chet Hayes said:

    jbuch <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    > Diet bashing, especially low carb types, is as common and dirty as
    > is political bashing of liberals by conservatives.
    > Conservatives, and "low fat" believers want things as they are and
    > have been.
    > No changes.....
    And of course it's not common or dirty for someone like you to throw
    mud the other way and turn a LC thread into a political one is it?
    That's perfectly OK right?


    I am such a dirty slimy scumball for what I said, aren't I?


    No, just crystal clear example of a hypocrite.

    Hypocrites abound, but *crystal clear* ones are rare. Perhaps we should
    preserve him for posterity.
    --
    revek
    ".Sig, .sig a .sog, .sig out loud, .sig out .strog ." -- Karen
    Carpenter with a head cold

  13. "Nat TheBrat" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I'm new to LCing, but it seems to me that there are a number of
    inaccuracies about LCing in the article, and I'd appreciate a critique
    of the article by more knowledgable posters.

    Quoting one critic of low carbing:

    " 'In the long term, there is no question that low-carb diets will be
    shown to be dangerous,' he says, noting that hundreds of
    epidemiological studies around the world have demonstrated that
    high-carbohydrate foods such as fruits, vegetables, and whole grains
    reduce risk of heart disease and prevent cancer."

    Does any LC eating plan keep one from eating vegetables and fruits?

    You may be new to LC'ing, Nat, but you called this one right. It still
    amazes me that highly credentialed "experts" feel free to critique LC diets
    without apparently having any understanding of what they consist of, usually
    a superficial media-based understanding at best.

    Of course you can eat fruits and vegetables on LC. Fruit is normally
    limited, but once you're past the initial stage (Induction on Atkins) you
    can probably work up to about as many low-starch vegetables as you'd care to
    eat. Granted it's possible to do LC in ways that are less healthy, but
    that's not what most of the LC authors advise for ongoing weight loss and
    maintenance.

    Personally, I eat a ton of vegetables and even have fruit sometimes twice a
    day. Yesterday, for instance, I had a wedge of melon for breakfast (along
    with my eggs and ham), a huge salad for lunch full of all kinds of cut-up
    vegetables, red cabbage and romaine lettuce, along with a couple hard-cooked
    eggs, a small scoop of cottage cheese and a sprinkle of sunflower seeds -
    probably 4-5 servings of vegetables (per official measurement designations)
    just in the salad. For dinner, along with my chicken I sauteed a
    medium-sized bunch of shredded collard greens and a little onion and garlic,
    plus I had a big serving of sweet red bell pepper strips. And for dessert,
    half a big peach topped with as-sweetened sour cream and sliced almonds. For
    the day, 9-10 servings of vegetables/fruits - far more than most Americans
    on a standard diet consume. And I'm low-carbing!

    I've found that so long as I keep my carbs low enough to keep insulin levels
    down and hunger under control, I can either maintain or lose weight,
    depending on calorie intake. And for me, just being under 100 g carbs or so
    does that. But everybody is different, and some people need to keep carbs
    lower. Still, I also find that using veggies for my carbs has a much more
    positive effect on my hunger levels than if I was to load up on crackers or
    the various LC processed foods. Bottom line, LC can be done in very healthy
    ways, or can be a nutritional disaster. It's the choice of the user.

    Quoted message said:

    And is it only the high carb veggies that reduce the risk of heart
    disease and cancer?

    Actually, even whole grains offer a very low nutrient density, compared to
    low-starch vegetables and low-sugar fruits. You don't miss out on all that
    much cutting out, or way back on, grains. You miss out on ENORMOUS benefits
    by skipping vegetables (especially) and berries. The most nutritionally
    dense vegetables, calorie for calorie, are of course the dark green leafy
    ones, and these are very low in carbs once you subtract out the fiber. Kale
    rules, I use it all the time. It's good sauteed with a little olive oil and
    garlic and/or onion, but it's also good to shred or chop leaves and add to
    stews and soups. In fact, if you mince it finely it can be used in all the
    same ways you'd use parsley. I often mince a good-sized leaf and add it to
    my big green salads. Of all the vegetables, kale is up at about the top of
    the list in terms of nutrient density, and it is very low in carbs.

    Quoted message said:

    Seems to me that much of the criticism of LCing in the article has to
    do with the new lc products coming out now. So how does that make LC
    with naturally LC foods dangerous?

    It doesn't of course, but there are a lot of nutritionists and dieticians
    and physicians with a nanny complex, and they fear that we'll all end up
    eating a diet of 100% bacon, cream, and marbled steaks with zero vegetables,
    so best to warn us away. Plus they've been brainwashed by the low-fat mantra
    that's been sounding for the last several decades.

    HG

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