Anniversary dinner

If you remember that you had pizza, in February no less, I would say
that you haven't come to terms with this WOE, and a normal relationship
with food. You'll get there in time. :-)

--
Cheri

Cubit wrote in message
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As I recall, I did have some pizza, back in February. I learned from

my

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mistake.

It sounds to me like you're well on your way to long lasting success. I
wish you the best in your weight loss journey. :-)

--
Cheri

carla wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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As a person who has been a no-holds-barred,

if-it-tastes-good-keep-eating-it

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face-stuffer her entire life, I consider this a massive success.

Moderation

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in all things is my long term goal.

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carla
http://geekofalltrades.typepad.com/geek

It's terrible to think that you've been this stupid you're whole life.
Especially at your age.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In your case, the food obviously keeps you full of [censored]. Sit down and
take a hard one, you'll feel better. :-)

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Cheri

JC Der Koenig wrote in message ...

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It's only food that made you fat, and it's only food that keeps you

that

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way.

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Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --

MFW

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Cubit said:

There have been many posts about eating excessive carbs, where the poster
seems to be bragging about the carby thing they are going to eat. It
usually comes with a collection of rationalizations about why the carbs
are
ok on this occasion. Often the occasion is in some way "special."

To really succeed at this LC thing, we need to adjust to the LC
way-of-life.
At the time of my comment, I was really thinking about the effect these
posts have on others, but as a mechanism of self delusion, they might be
unwise for the posters as well.

I did not mean to suggest that you should not share about your approach
to
managing low carb. Maybe, instead of pointing out the adverse effect
your
falling off the wagon (jumping) might have on others, I should have
simply
chastized you for it. Hmmm. I don't like a punative approach. Indeed,
with that in mind, I should have pointed out how wonderful your health
and
appearance will be if you can stick to things.

I recently attended a birthday gathering where only two of us ate
nothing,
while the group, about 30, had full carb ice cream and cake. Everybody
seemed to accept this. I was surprised. I thought I would catch some
flack
for not eating it. Apparently, here in the Silicon Valley, low carb is
respected, even by those who do not participate. January's surge in the
press may have had an impression.

Low Carb fails, when dieters return to eating the carbs. Viewing carby
meals as special treats is setting the stage for future failure. We
should,
like Iggy, actively search for the path to lifelong success.

I don't believe that low carb is going to fail if you have special
dinners. I think the opposite happens -- if you restrict yourself too
much, then you fail. I will continue to have treats for special
occasions.

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Bob in CT
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"carla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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As a person who has been a no-holds-barred,

if-it-tastes-good-keep-eating-it

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face-stuffer her entire life, I consider this a massive success.

Moderation

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in all things is my long term goal.

--
carla

As a person who also was in this club, I would agree! It sounds like you
had a wonderful meal! It also sounds like that your tastes have changed, I
mean you mentioned the one appetizer being "too sweet". I know I have found
myself eating something and noting it to be "too sweet". Those words coming
out of my mouth? Whoda thunk?

--
Lisa
208/179.5/145-150
Low-carb since June 2004

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[email hidden] (The Queen of Cans and Jars)

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Cubit said:

Maybe, instead of pointing out the adverse effect your falling off the
wagon (jumping) might have on others, I should have simply chastized you
for it.

or you could just take your sanctimonious [censored] and shove it.

Indeed. You want to be a friggin' humorless robot, Cubit, that's your
business. The rest of us live real lives, with conflicts and decisions and
compromises. One special dinner out does not constitute "falling off the
wagon." I thought Carla's plan made a lot of sense under the circumstances.
It wasn't like she had packed up and moved into the Afghan restaurant so she
could eat their bread and rice all day.

There's such a thing as perspective.

Daria
166/under 145/under 145
sugar-free since 2/1/04
low-carb since 2/17/04

:
: I don't believe that low carb is going to fail if you have special
: dinners. I think the opposite happens -- if you restrict yourself
too
: much, then you fail. I will continue to have treats for special
: occasions.
:
: --
: Bob in CT

i ABSOLUTELY agree with this bob.
learning what triggers excessive eating, and learning another
approach to food (food is fuel) is what ASD-LC is about for me!

Ya done good, Carla. As they say, there's nothing like a reformed ( fill in
your choice--drunk, smoker, overeater). Some people are as excessive in
their approach to dieting as they were to their overeating. The key to
success is finding a plan that works for you, something that is comfortable,
that you are not always wishing you could evade. Sharing your approach
gives others ideas that may be useful in finding a comfortable WOE for them.

Sometimes these "cheats" or wanderings are really far less harmful than we
might think, anyway. We don't go out for dinner often but when we do our
favorite is Thai food. I no longer do the Pad Thai which I used to love but
do indulge in the coconut ice cream for dessert as it is one of my favorite
things. On first blush one thinks SUGAR, aaargh!!! But a whole cup of real
ice cream has only about 35 grams of carb and I suspect that the coconut ice
cream has less as it is made with coconut milk rather than cow's milk and
the serving is generally less than a cup. So, it's far different from
eating a pile of rice under your entree. Earlier in the year we went to a
Japanese restaurant where I had the Bento, a little bit of several things.
It had some tempura, steak teriyaki, some fresh fruits, I ate it all but no
rice. When I got home I did a little research and estimated that the whole
indulgence was about 36 carbs, certainly not a disaster.

In news:[email hidden],
carla <[email hidden]> stated
| Double follow-up here, because I'd like to add one more comment.
| Unlike many folks around here who prepare most of their meals at
| home, I eat out very frequently, and know how to make good choices
| that are consistent with my eating plan. I eat lunch every day and
| frequently dinner at my office cafeteria and avoid all manner of
| temptation there. I eat dinner at restaurants - frequently excellent
| restaurants, but also ordinary ones like Pizzeria Uno - once or twice
| a week. I know how to order the grilled steak or chicken with a side
| of vegetables. I don't eat the bread just because it is in front of
| me. And I don't go off plan just because there is an opportunity to
| do so.
|
| This evening was my anniversary, and my husband and I went to the same
| wonderful restaurant where we have celebrated every anniversary since
| our first. This was not merely someone's birthday party, or
| someone's barbeque, or some generic excuse to misbehave, and my
| posting about it here was not some kind of rationalization. This was
| a very special and rare occasion - I likely won't have another like
| it for many months - and I planned for it, altered the way I ate
| during the day in anticipation of it, and approached it with a plan
| of attack that led me to have a much better and closer to healthy
| meal (and day as a whole) than I would have had if I'd been on no
| plan at all or if I'd approached this as a caution-to-the-winds cheat
| day.
|
| As a person who has been a no-holds-barred,
| if-it-tastes-good-keep-eating-it face-stuffer her entire life, I
| consider this a massive success. Moderation in all things is my long
| term goal.
|
| --
| carla
| http://geekofalltrades.typepad.com/geek

Ya done good, Carla. As they say, there's nothing like a reformed ( fill in
your choice--drunk, smoker, overeater). Some people are as excessive in
their approach to dieting as they were to their overeating. The key to
success is finding a plan that works for you, something that is comfortable,
that you are not always wishing you could evade. Sharing your approach
gives others ideas that may be useful in finding a comfortable WOE for them.

Sometimes these "cheats" or wanderings are really far less harmful than we
might think, anyway. We don't go out for dinner often but when we do our
favorite is Thai food. I no longer do the Pad Thai which I used to love but
do indulge in the coconut ice cream for dessert as it is one of my favorite
things. On first blush one thinks SUGAR, aaargh!!! But a whole cup of real
ice cream has only about 35 grams of carb and I suspect that the coconut ice
cream has less as it is made with coconut milk rather than cow's milk and
the serving is generally less than a cup. So, it's far different from
eating a pile of rice under your entree. Earlier in the year we went to a
Japanese restaurant where I had the Bento, a little bit of several things.
It had some tempura, steak teriyaki, some fresh fruits, I ate it all but no
rice. When I got home I did a little research and estimated that the whole
indulgence was about 36 carbs, certainly not a disaster.

In news:[email hidden],
carla <[email hidden]> stated
| Double follow-up here, because I'd like to add one more comment.
| Unlike many folks around here who prepare most of their meals at
| home, I eat out very frequently, and know how to make good choices
| that are consistent with my eating plan. I eat lunch every day and
| frequently dinner at my office cafeteria and avoid all manner of
| temptation there. I eat dinner at restaurants - frequently excellent
| restaurants, but also ordinary ones like Pizzeria Uno - once or twice
| a week. I know how to order the grilled steak or chicken with a side
| of vegetables. I don't eat the bread just because it is in front of
| me. And I don't go off plan just because there is an opportunity to
| do so.
|
| This evening was my anniversary, and my husband and I went to the same
| wonderful restaurant where we have celebrated every anniversary since
| our first. This was not merely someone's birthday party, or
| someone's barbeque, or some generic excuse to misbehave, and my
| posting about it here was not some kind of rationalization. This was
| a very special and rare occasion - I likely won't have another like
| it for many months - and I planned for it, altered the way I ate
| during the day in anticipation of it, and approached it with a plan
| of attack that led me to have a much better and closer to healthy
| meal (and day as a whole) than I would have had if I'd been on no
| plan at all or if I'd approached this as a caution-to-the-winds cheat
| day.
|
| As a person who has been a no-holds-barred,
| if-it-tastes-good-keep-eating-it face-stuffer her entire life, I
| consider this a massive success. Moderation in all things is my long
| term goal.
|
| --
| carla
| http://geekofalltrades.typepad.com/geek

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

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Yup. Food made me fat, so I'm going to start eating something else
instead. Not sure what yet. Maybe compact discs, or blankets.

Good choice -- according to the forensics shows I watch on TV, blankets have LOTS
of fibers :-)

--
Saffire
205/149/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

Bob in CT wrote:
||
|| I don't believe that low carb is going to fail if you have special
|| dinners. I think the opposite happens -- if you restrict yourself
|| too much, then you fail. I will continue to have treats for special
|| occasions.
||

Having some extra carby things every now and again is no bad thing.
Excessive consumption is where/when the problems start.

You're calling me stupid, and you're using YOU'RE incorrectly in YOUR
post. Don't you know that always happens? Next you'll be using "loose"
when telling people they need to lose weight. Have a great day JC. LOL

--
Cheri

JC Der Koenig wrote in message ...

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It's terrible to think that you've been this stupid you're whole life.
Especially at your age.

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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:08:37 -0400, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

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Bob in CT wrote:
||
|| I don't believe that low carb is going to fail if you have special
|| dinners. I think the opposite happens -- if you restrict yourself
|| too much, then you fail. I will continue to have treats for special
|| occasions.
||

Having some extra carby things every now and again is no bad thing.
Excessive consumption is where/when the problems start.

Definitely true. Of course, I no longer get "set off" by most carby
things (and I avoid those that do cause me to crave stuff).

--
Bob in CT
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That's what I was trying to say. I can have something occasionally
without bingeing, but I couldn't always do that. It feels good to have
decent control of my eating.

--
Cheri

Bob in CT wrote in message ...

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Definitely true. Of course, I no longer get "set off" by most carby
things (and I avoid those that do cause me to crave stuff).

--
Bob in CT
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🙂

boy, i'd never attempt to criticize someone's pecking on usenet... I make so
many typos and screwups that it ain't funny....or maybe it is...

Cheri wrote:
|| You're calling me stupid, and you're using YOU'RE incorrectly in YOUR
|| post. Don't you know that always happens? Next you'll be using
|| "loose" when telling people they need to lose weight. Have a great
|| day JC. LOL
||
|| --
|| Cheri
||
|| JC Der Koenig wrote in message ...
||| It's terrible to think that you've been this stupid you're whole
||| life. Especially at your age.
|||
||| --

Only because Mr. JC Hot Shot called me stupid. Using you're in place of
your AIN'T no typo. LOL

--
Cheri

Roger Zoul wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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🙂

boy, i'd never attempt to criticize someone's pecking on usenet... I

make so

Quoted message said:

many typos and screwups that it ain't funny....or maybe it is...

Quoted message said:

You're calling me stupid, and you're using YOU'RE incorrectly in YOUR
post. Don't you know that always happens? Next you'll be using "loose"
when telling people they need to lose weight. Have a great day JC. LOL

--
Cheri

JC Der Koenig wrote in message ...

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It's terrible to think that you've been this stupid you're whole life.
Especially at your age.

'You are' age? 'Your' looks correct to me.
LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 5'7" 265/169/140
& hubby- 6' 310/190/180
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lcer09/my_photos

In article <[email hidden]>,

(LCer09) said:

Quoted message said:

You're calling me stupid, and you're using YOU'RE incorrectly in YOUR
post. Don't you know that always happens? Next you'll be using "loose"
when telling people they need to lose weight. Have a great day JC. LOL

--
Cheri

JC Der Koenig wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

It's terrible to think that you've been this stupid you're whole life.
Especially at your age.

'You are' age? 'Your' looks correct to me.
LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 5'7" 265/169/140
& hubby- 6' 310/190/180
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lcer09/my_photos

It's correct there, but not in "you're whole life."

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

DG511 said:

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (The Queen of Cans and Jars)

Quoted message said:

Cubit said:

Maybe, instead of pointing out the adverse effect your falling off the
wagon (jumping) might have on others, I should have simply chastized you
for it.

or you could just take your sanctimonious [censored] and shove it.

Indeed. You want to be a friggin' humorless robot, Cubit, that's your
business. The rest of us live real lives, with conflicts and decisions and
compromises. One special dinner out does not constitute "falling off the
wagon." I thought Carla's plan made a lot of sense under the circumstances.
It wasn't like she had packed up and moved into the Afghan restaurant so she
could eat their bread and rice all day.

There's such a thing as perspective.

word.

DG511 said:

I thought Carla's plan made a
lot of sense under the circumstances. It wasn't like she had packed
up and moved into the Afghan restaurant so she could eat their bread
and rice all day.

That sounds fun, though. ;-)

--
carla
http://geekofalltrades.typepad.com/geek