Re: calories out greater than calories in = weight loss

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http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/calendar/2004/conf_2004_nao.htm

Extremes of physical activity and endurance
The case for exercise - lessons from extremes
This session will examine weight change on Polar expeditions and the
running of 7 marathons in 7 days.
Dr Mike Stroud, Institute of Human Nutrition, Southampton

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3734060.stm

-------snip tangent--------

In 2003, Dr Stroud completed seven marathons in seven days across
seven continents alongside the explorer Sir Ranulph Fiennes.

Dr Stroud said: "I have shown that, when you're doing a great deal of
exercise, the idea that exercise cannot induce weight loss is
ridiculous.

Truth:

Exercise alone is not enough to induce weight loss if intake is
excessive.

Quoted message said:

"I was eating 5,500 calories a day when I crossed the Antarctic - but
I lost three stone."

Truth:

It was extremely unlikely that he was eating exactly 5,500 calories a
day.

Instead, he lost three stone because he was eating less than his body
needed each day.

Quoted message said:

"It's an extreme example, but it shows that the idea that weight loss
is all about diet and not activity has been over-emphasised."

Truth:

Exercise is neither necessary nor sufficient for weight loss if intake
is excessive.

Quoted message said:

Dr Stroud said the chances of an overweight but active individual
having a serious heart attack or stroke are raised by only 20%
compared to a lean active individual, whereas an inactive lean
individual is close to being at 300% greater risk.

The rest of the medical community knows that those who have metabolic
syndrome (MetS) as a consequence of being overweight is close to being
at 600-800% higher risk of having a cardiovascular "event."

Quoted message said:

He said people should not focus on having to go to the gym to lose
weight, but should build exercise - such as walking - into their
everyday lives.

My guess is that if Dr. Stroud ever injures himself, he would soon
become overweight.

You remain in my prayers, dear Zee whom I love.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so
that you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after
you die.

Please do consider the following before it is too late:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/calendar/2004/conf_2004_nao.htm

Extremes of physical activity and endurance
The case for exercise - lessons from extremes
This session will examine weight change on Polar expeditions and the
running of 7 marathons in 7 days.
Dr Mike Stroud, Institute of Human Nutrition, Southampton

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3734060.stm

-------snip tangent--------

In 2003, Dr Stroud completed seven marathons in seven days across
seven continents alongside the explorer Sir Ranulph Fiennes.

Dr Stroud said: "I have shown that, when you're doing a great deal of
exercise, the idea that exercise cannot induce weight loss is
ridiculous.

Truth:

Exercise alone is not enough to induce weight loss if intake is
excessive.

Quoted message said:

"I was eating 5,500 calories a day when I crossed the Antarctic - but
I lost three stone."

Truth:

It was extremely unlikely that he was eating exactly 5,500 calories a
day.

Instead, he lost three stone because he was eating less than his body
needed each day.

Quoted message said:

"It's an extreme example, but it shows that the idea that weight loss
is all about diet and not activity has been over-emphasised."

Truth:

Exercise is neither necessary nor sufficient for weight loss if intake
is excessive.

Quoted message said:

Dr Stroud said the chances of an overweight but active individual
having a serious heart attack or stroke are raised by only 20%
compared to a lean active individual, whereas an inactive lean
individual is close to being at 300% greater risk.

The rest of the medical community knows that those who have metabolic
syndrome (MetS) as a consequence of being overweight is close to being
at 600-800% higher risk of having a cardiovascular "event."

The benefits of being fit may, in fact, outweigh the risks of being
overweight, at least for men. Here's the abstract from a study published in
the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (Vol. 69, No. 3, 373-380, March
1999) - http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/69/3/373 :

"Background: Cardiorespiratory fitness and body fatness are both related to
health, but their interrelation to all-cause and cardiovascular disease
(CVD) mortality is unknown.
Objective: We examined the health benefits of leanness and the hazards of
obesity while simultaneously considering cardiorespiratory fitness.

Design: This was an observational cohort study. We followed 21925 men, aged
30-83 y, who had a body-composition assessment and a maximal treadmill
exercise test. There were 428 deaths (144 from CVD, 143 from cancer, and 141
from other causes) in an average of 8 y of follow-up (176742 man-years).

Results: After adjustment for age, examination year, cigarette smoking,
alcohol intake, and parental history of ischemic heart disease, unfit (low
cardiorespiratory fitness as determined by maximal exercise testing), lean
men had double the risk of all-cause mortality of fit, lean men (relative
risk: 2.07; 95% CI: 1.16, 3.69; P = 0.01). Unfit, lean men also had a higher
risk of all-cause and CVD mortality than did men who were fit and obese. We
observed similar results for fat and fat-free mass in relation to mortality.
Unfit men had a higher risk of all-cause and CVD mortality than did fit men
in all fat and fat-free mass categories. Similarly, unfit men with low waist
girths (<87 cm) had greater risk of all-cause mortality than did fit men
with high waist girths (99 cm).

Conclusions: The health benefits of leanness are limited to fit men, and
being fit may reduce the hazards of obesity. "

--
GG
http://www.WeightWare.com
Your Weight and Health Diary

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He said people should not focus on having to go to the gym to lose
weight, but should build exercise - such as walking - into their
everyday lives.

My guess is that if Dr. Stroud ever injures himself, he would soon
become overweight.

You remain in my prayers, dear Zee whom I love.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so
that you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after
you die.

Please do consider the following before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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GaryG said:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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[email hidden] (fresh~horses) wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/calendar/2004/conf_2004_nao.htm

Extremes of physical activity and endurance
The case for exercise - lessons from extremes
This session will examine weight change on Polar expeditions and the
running of 7 marathons in 7 days.
Dr Mike Stroud, Institute of Human Nutrition, Southampton

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3734060.stm

-------snip tangent--------

In 2003, Dr Stroud completed seven marathons in seven days across
seven continents alongside the explorer Sir Ranulph Fiennes.

Dr Stroud said: "I have shown that, when you're doing a great deal of
exercise, the idea that exercise cannot induce weight loss is
ridiculous.

Truth:

Exercise alone is not enough to induce weight loss if intake is
excessive.

Quoted message said:

"I was eating 5,500 calories a day when I crossed the Antarctic - but
I lost three stone."

Truth:

It was extremely unlikely that he was eating exactly 5,500 calories a
day.

Instead, he lost three stone because he was eating less than his body
needed each day.

Quoted message said:

"It's an extreme example, but it shows that the idea that weight loss
is all about diet and not activity has been over-emphasised."

Truth:

Exercise is neither necessary nor sufficient for weight loss if intake
is excessive.

Quoted message said:

Dr Stroud said the chances of an overweight but active individual
having a serious heart attack or stroke are raised by only 20%
compared to a lean active individual, whereas an inactive lean
individual is close to being at 300% greater risk.

The rest of the medical community knows that those who have metabolic
syndrome (MetS) as a consequence of being overweight is close to being
at 600-800% higher risk of having a cardiovascular "event."

The benefits of being fit may, in fact, outweigh the risks of being
overweight, at least for men. Here's the abstract from a study published in
the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (Vol. 69, No. 3, 373-380, March
1999) - http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/69/3/373 :

"Background: Cardiorespiratory fitness and body fatness are both related to
health, but their interrelation to all-cause and cardiovascular disease
(CVD) mortality is unknown.
Objective: We examined the health benefits of leanness and the hazards of
obesity while simultaneously considering cardiorespiratory fitness.

Design: This was an observational cohort study. We followed 21925 men, aged
30-83 y, who had a body-composition assessment and a maximal treadmill
exercise test. There were 428 deaths (144 from CVD, 143 from cancer, and 141
from other causes) in an average of 8 y of follow-up (176742 man-years).

Results: After adjustment for age, examination year, cigarette smoking,
alcohol intake, and parental history of ischemic heart disease, unfit (low
cardiorespiratory fitness as determined by maximal exercise testing), lean
men had double the risk of all-cause mortality of fit, lean men (relative
risk: 2.07; 95% CI: 1.16, 3.69; P = 0.01). Unfit, lean men also had a higher
risk of all-cause and CVD mortality than did men who were fit and obese. We
observed similar results for fat and fat-free mass in relation to mortality.
Unfit men had a higher risk of all-cause and CVD mortality than did fit men
in all fat and fat-free mass categories. Similarly, unfit men with low waist
girths (<87 cm) had greater risk of all-cause mortality than did fit men
with high waist girths (99 cm).

Conclusions: The health benefits of leanness are limited to fit men, and
being fit may reduce the hazards of obesity. "

.... not in the setting of metabolic syndrome (MetS).

"The rest of the medical community knows that those who have metabolic syndrome
(MetS) as a consequence of being overweight are close to being at 600-800%
higher risk of having a cardiovascular 'event'."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He said people should not focus on having to go to the gym to lose
weight, but should build exercise - such as walking - into their
everyday lives.

My guess is that if Dr. Stroud ever injures himself, he would soon
become overweight.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Quoted message said:

Ah, caught again, a. chung does a multiple crossposting to show who is in
control, to troll, to spam, to seek approval and self recognition from
others, tis a pity it is. Of course he claims not to cross post, even
though he has added 4 groups to the original one. If he says he doesn't
do something and he does, what does that make of him? I will make a
little forcast, he will do more of these in the near future in a snit of
retribution for having his behavior highlighted once again.

It remains my choice to continue to be openly Christian.

Again, please forgive me for bothering you with my choice.

You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Christ's holy name.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you
too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.

Please do consider the following before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

--
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Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

GaryG said:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (fresh~horses) wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

> http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/calendar/2004/conf_2004_nao.htm
>
> Extremes of physical activity and endurance
> The case for exercise - lessons from extremes
> This session will examine weight change on Polar expeditions and the
> running of 7 marathons in 7 days.
> Dr Mike Stroud, Institute of Human Nutrition, Southampton
>
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3734060.stm
>
> -------snip tangent--------
>
>
> In 2003, Dr Stroud completed seven marathons in seven days across
> seven continents alongside the explorer Sir Ranulph Fiennes.
>
> Dr Stroud said: "I have shown that, when you're doing a great deal

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> exercise, the idea that exercise cannot induce weight loss is
> ridiculous.

Truth:

Exercise alone is not enough to induce weight loss if intake is
excessive.

> "I was eating 5,500 calories a day when I crossed the Antarctic -

but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I lost three stone."

Truth:

It was extremely unlikely that he was eating exactly 5,500 calories a
day.

Instead, he lost three stone because he was eating less than his body
needed each day.

> "It's an extreme example, but it shows that the idea that weight

loss

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> is all about diet and not activity has been over-emphasised."

Truth:

Exercise is neither necessary nor sufficient for weight loss if intake
is excessive.

> Dr Stroud said the chances of an overweight but active individual
> having a serious heart attack or stroke are raised by only 20%
> compared to a lean active individual, whereas an inactive lean
> individual is close to being at 300% greater risk.

The rest of the medical community knows that those who have metabolic
syndrome (MetS) as a consequence of being overweight is close to being
at 600-800% higher risk of having a cardiovascular "event."

The benefits of being fit may, in fact, outweigh the risks of being
overweight, at least for men. Here's the abstract from a study

published in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (Vol. 69, No. 3, 373-380,

March

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

1999) - http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/69/3/373 :

"Background: Cardiorespiratory fitness and body fatness are both related

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

health, but their interrelation to all-cause and cardiovascular disease
(CVD) mortality is unknown.
Objective: We examined the health benefits of leanness and the hazards

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

obesity while simultaneously considering cardiorespiratory fitness.

Design: This was an observational cohort study. We followed 21925 men,

aged

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

30-83 y, who had a body-composition assessment and a maximal treadmill
exercise test. There were 428 deaths (144 from CVD, 143 from cancer, and

141

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

from other causes) in an average of 8 y of follow-up (176742 man-years).

Results: After adjustment for age, examination year, cigarette smoking,
alcohol intake, and parental history of ischemic heart disease, unfit

(low

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cardiorespiratory fitness as determined by maximal exercise testing),

lean

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

men had double the risk of all-cause mortality of fit, lean men

(relative

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

risk: 2.07; 95% CI: 1.16, 3.69; P = 0.01). Unfit, lean men also had a

higher

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

risk of all-cause and CVD mortality than did men who were fit and obese.

We

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

observed similar results for fat and fat-free mass in relation to

mortality.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Unfit men had a higher risk of all-cause and CVD mortality than did fit

men

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in all fat and fat-free mass categories. Similarly, unfit men with low

waist

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

girths (<87 cm) had greater risk of all-cause mortality than did fit men
with high waist girths (99 cm).

Conclusions: The health benefits of leanness are limited to fit men, and
being fit may reduce the hazards of obesity. "

... not in the setting of metabolic syndrome (MetS).

"The rest of the medical community knows that those who have metabolic

syndrome

Quoted message said:

(MetS) as a consequence of being overweight are close to being at 600-800%
higher risk of having a cardiovascular 'event'."

The OP was talking about an "overweight but active individual". Your
cross-post spoke of MetS, but an "overweight but active" individual is
unlikely to suffer from MetS (the vast majority of folks with MetS are
highly sedentary). I was just attempting to clarify the waters you muddied,
dear Chung whom I love ;-).

GG

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> He said people should not focus on having to go to the gym to lose
> weight, but should build exercise - such as walking - into their
> everyday lives.

My guess is that if Dr. Stroud ever injures himself, he would soon
become overweight.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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GaryG said:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

GaryG said:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> [email hidden] (fresh~horses) wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
> > http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/calendar/2004/conf_2004_nao.htm
> >
> > Extremes of physical activity and endurance
> > The case for exercise - lessons from extremes
> > This session will examine weight change on Polar expeditions and the
> > running of 7 marathons in 7 days.
> > Dr Mike Stroud, Institute of Human Nutrition, Southampton
> >
> >
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3734060.stm
> >
> > -------snip tangent--------
> >
> >
> > In 2003, Dr Stroud completed seven marathons in seven days across
> > seven continents alongside the explorer Sir Ranulph Fiennes.
> >
> > Dr Stroud said: "I have shown that, when you're doing a great deal

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > exercise, the idea that exercise cannot induce weight loss is
> > ridiculous.
>
> Truth:
>
> Exercise alone is not enough to induce weight loss if intake is
> excessive.
>
> > "I was eating 5,500 calories a day when I crossed the Antarctic -

but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > I lost three stone."
>
> Truth:
>
> It was extremely unlikely that he was eating exactly 5,500 calories a
> day.
>
> Instead, he lost three stone because he was eating less than his body
> needed each day.
>
> > "It's an extreme example, but it shows that the idea that weight

loss

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > is all about diet and not activity has been over-emphasised."
>
> Truth:
>
> Exercise is neither necessary nor sufficient for weight loss if intake
> is excessive.
>
> > Dr Stroud said the chances of an overweight but active individual
> > having a serious heart attack or stroke are raised by only 20%
> > compared to a lean active individual, whereas an inactive lean
> > individual is close to being at 300% greater risk.
>
> The rest of the medical community knows that those who have metabolic
> syndrome (MetS) as a consequence of being overweight is close to being
> at 600-800% higher risk of having a cardiovascular "event."

The benefits of being fit may, in fact, outweigh the risks of being
overweight, at least for men. Here's the abstract from a study

published in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (Vol. 69, No. 3, 373-380,

March

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

1999) - http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/69/3/373 :

"Background: Cardiorespiratory fitness and body fatness are both related

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

health, but their interrelation to all-cause and cardiovascular disease
(CVD) mortality is unknown.
Objective: We examined the health benefits of leanness and the hazards

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

obesity while simultaneously considering cardiorespiratory fitness.

Design: This was an observational cohort study. We followed 21925 men,

aged

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

30-83 y, who had a body-composition assessment and a maximal treadmill
exercise test. There were 428 deaths (144 from CVD, 143 from cancer, and

141

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

from other causes) in an average of 8 y of follow-up (176742 man-years).

Results: After adjustment for age, examination year, cigarette smoking,
alcohol intake, and parental history of ischemic heart disease, unfit

(low

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cardiorespiratory fitness as determined by maximal exercise testing),

lean

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

men had double the risk of all-cause mortality of fit, lean men

(relative

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

risk: 2.07; 95% CI: 1.16, 3.69; P = 0.01). Unfit, lean men also had a

higher

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

risk of all-cause and CVD mortality than did men who were fit and obese.

We

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

observed similar results for fat and fat-free mass in relation to

mortality.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Unfit men had a higher risk of all-cause and CVD mortality than did fit

men

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

in all fat and fat-free mass categories. Similarly, unfit men with low

waist

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

girths (<87 cm) had greater risk of all-cause mortality than did fit men
with high waist girths (99 cm).

Conclusions: The health benefits of leanness are limited to fit men, and
being fit may reduce the hazards of obesity. "

... not in the setting of metabolic syndrome (MetS).

"The rest of the medical community knows that those who have metabolic

syndrome

Quoted message said:

(MetS) as a consequence of being overweight are close to being at 600-800%
higher risk of having a cardiovascular 'event'."

The OP was talking about an "overweight but active individual". Your
cross-post spoke of MetS, but an "overweight but active" individual is
unlikely to suffer from MetS (the vast majority of folks with MetS are
highly sedentary).

Actually, folks are genetically predisposed to having MetS whether they are
active or not.

In other words, an "overweight but active individual" can still have MetS but be
lulled into a state of false reassurance by the OP's comments.

Quoted message said:

I was just attempting to clarify the waters you muddied,
dear Chung whom I love ;-).

Actually, your attempt clouds the issue by giving a false sense of reassurance
to those who are overweight.

Truth:

A lean individual will not have MetS.

Quoted message said:

GG

You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you
too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.

Please do consider the following before it is too late:

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Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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GaryG said:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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GaryG wrote:

> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in

message

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Quoted message said:

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> news:[email hidden]...
> > [email hidden] (fresh~horses) wrote in message
> news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/calendar/2004/conf_2004_nao.htm
> > >
> > > Extremes of physical activity and endurance
> > > The case for exercise - lessons from extremes
> > > This session will examine weight change on Polar expeditions and

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > running of 7 marathons in 7 days.
> > > Dr Mike Stroud, Institute of Human Nutrition, Southampton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3734060.stm
> > >
> > > -------snip tangent--------
> > >
> > >
> > > In 2003, Dr Stroud completed seven marathons in seven days

across

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > seven continents alongside the explorer Sir Ranulph Fiennes.
> > >
> > > Dr Stroud said: "I have shown that, when you're doing a great

deal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of

Quoted message said:

> > > exercise, the idea that exercise cannot induce weight loss is
> > > ridiculous.
> >
> > Truth:
> >
> > Exercise alone is not enough to induce weight loss if intake is
> > excessive.
> >
> > > "I was eating 5,500 calories a day when I crossed the

Antarctic -

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but

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> > > I lost three stone."
> >
> > Truth:
> >
> > It was extremely unlikely that he was eating exactly 5,500

calories a

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> > day.
> >
> > Instead, he lost three stone because he was eating less than his

body

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> > needed each day.
> >
> > > "It's an extreme example, but it shows that the idea that weight

loss

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> > > is all about diet and not activity has been over-emphasised."
> >
> > Truth:
> >
> > Exercise is neither necessary nor sufficient for weight loss if

intake

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> > is excessive.
> >
> > > Dr Stroud said the chances of an overweight but active

individual

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> > > having a serious heart attack or stroke are raised by only 20%
> > > compared to a lean active individual, whereas an inactive lean
> > > individual is close to being at 300% greater risk.
> >
> > The rest of the medical community knows that those who have

metabolic

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> > syndrome (MetS) as a consequence of being overweight is close to

being

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> > at 600-800% higher risk of having a cardiovascular "event."
>
> The benefits of being fit may, in fact, outweigh the risks of being
> overweight, at least for men. Here's the abstract from a study

published in

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> the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (Vol. 69, No. 3, 373-380,

March

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> 1999) - http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/69/3/373 :
>
> "Background: Cardiorespiratory fitness and body fatness are both

related

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to

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> health, but their interrelation to all-cause and cardiovascular

disease

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> (CVD) mortality is unknown.
> Objective: We examined the health benefits of leanness and the

hazards

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of

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> obesity while simultaneously considering cardiorespiratory fitness.
>
> Design: This was an observational cohort study. We followed 21925

men,

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aged

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> 30-83 y, who had a body-composition assessment and a maximal

treadmill

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> exercise test. There were 428 deaths (144 from CVD, 143 from cancer,

and

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141

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> from other causes) in an average of 8 y of follow-up (176742

man-years).

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>
> Results: After adjustment for age, examination year, cigarette

smoking,

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> alcohol intake, and parental history of ischemic heart disease,

unfit

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(low

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> cardiorespiratory fitness as determined by maximal exercise

testing),

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lean

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> men had double the risk of all-cause mortality of fit, lean men

(relative

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> risk: 2.07; 95% CI: 1.16, 3.69; P = 0.01). Unfit, lean men also had

a

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higher

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> risk of all-cause and CVD mortality than did men who were fit and

obese.

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We

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> observed similar results for fat and fat-free mass in relation to

mortality.

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> Unfit men had a higher risk of all-cause and CVD mortality than did

fit

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men

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> in all fat and fat-free mass categories. Similarly, unfit men with

low

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waist

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> girths (<87 cm) had greater risk of all-cause mortality than did fit

men

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> with high waist girths (99 cm).
>
> Conclusions: The health benefits of leanness are limited to fit men,

and

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> being fit may reduce the hazards of obesity. "
>

... not in the setting of metabolic syndrome (MetS).

"The rest of the medical community knows that those who have metabolic

syndrome

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(MetS) as a consequence of being overweight are close to being at

600-800%

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higher risk of having a cardiovascular 'event'."

The OP was talking about an "overweight but active individual". Your
cross-post spoke of MetS, but an "overweight but active" individual is
unlikely to suffer from MetS (the vast majority of folks with MetS are
highly sedentary).

Actually, folks are genetically predisposed to having MetS whether they

are

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active or not.

I find that very hard to believe...could you cite some references to back
this up? Most references I've seen indicate that MetS is caused by poor
lifestyle choices - especially, eating and exercise habits. This is often
cited to explain why the rate of MetS is increasing (something that would
not normally be associated with genetics).

Regardless, being fit also attenuates the health risks of MetS. Here's an
abstract from the Archives of Internal Medicine (2004 May
24;164(10):1092-7) -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15159266

"BACKGROUND: The metabolic syndrome is a prevalent condition that carries
with it an increased risk of type 2 diabetes mellitus, cardiovascular
disease (CVD), and mortality.

OBJECTIVE: To determine the relationship between cardiorespiratory fitness
(CRF) and mortality in healthy men and in those with the metabolic syndrome.

METHODS: The sample included 19 223 men, aged 20 to 83 years, who received a
clinical evaluation between 1979 and 1995 with mortality follow-up through
December 31, 1996. There were 15 466 healthy men (80.5%) and 3757 men with
the metabolic syndrome (19.5%).

RESULTS: A total of 480 deaths (161 due to CVD) occurred during 196 298
man-years of follow-up. After adjustment for age, year of examination,
smoking status, alcohol consumption, and parental CVD, the relative risks
(RRs) (95% confidence interval) of all-cause and CVD mortality were 1.29
(1.05-1.57) and 1.89 (1.36-2.60), respectively, for men with the metabolic
syndrome compared with healthy men. After the inclusion of CRF, the
associations were not significant. The RRs comparing unfit with fit men for
all-cause mortality were 2.18 (1.66-2.87) in healthy men and 2.01
(1.38-2.93) in men with the metabolic syndrome, whereas the RRs for CVD
mortality for unfit vs fit men were 3.21 (2.03-5.07) in healthy men and 2.25
(1.27-3.97) in men with the metabolic syndrome. A significant dose-response
relationship between CRF and mortality was also observed in men with the
metabolic syndrome.

CONCLUSION: In this sample, CRF provided a strong protective effect against
all-cause and CVD mortality in healthy men and men with the metabolic
syndrome."

--
GG
http://www.WeightWare.com
Your Weight and Health Diary

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In other words, an "overweight but active individual" can still have MetS

but be

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lulled into a state of false reassurance by the OP's comments.

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I was just attempting to clarify the waters you muddied,
dear Chung whom I love ;-).

Actually, your attempt clouds the issue by giving a false sense of

reassurance

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to those who are overweight.

Truth:

A lean individual will not have MetS.

Truth: a lean unfit individual can have a higher risk of CVD than a fit,
overweight individual, or a fit person with MetS. Unfortunately, most
overweight folks, and folks with MetS are far from fit.

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GG

To divert from his behavior once again we note:

It remains my choice to be a real christian. Sorry, again, my being openly
a real christian bothers you, have at my other cheek, I love even you who
persecute, Lord have mercy on me a sinner, Lord lead me in my motivation
to pray as the publican and not as the pharisee. Do consider that all "who
call Lord Lord shall not see the kingdom of Heaven".

"It remains my choice to continue to be openly Christian.

Again, please forgive me for bothering you with my choice.

You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you
too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die."

GaryG said:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:1097876002.5AAEdKr3pSFWb5iloJ0lrA@teranews...

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GaryG said:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:1097873074.byDtn3rdW2ajy9IUz1b+Gg@teranews...
> GaryG wrote:
>
> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in

message

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> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > [email hidden] (fresh~horses) wrote in message
> > news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/calendar/2004/conf_2004_nao.htm
> > > >
> > > > Extremes of physical activity and endurance
> > > > The case for exercise - lessons from extremes
> > > > This session will examine weight change on Polar expeditions and

the

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> > > > running of 7 marathons in 7 days.
> > > > Dr Mike Stroud, Institute of Human Nutrition, Southampton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3734060.stm
> > > >
> > > > -------snip tangent--------
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In 2003, Dr Stroud completed seven marathons in seven days

across

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> > > > seven continents alongside the explorer Sir Ranulph Fiennes.
> > > >
> > > > Dr Stroud said: "I have shown that, when you're doing a great

deal

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of
> > > > exercise, the idea that exercise cannot induce weight loss is
> > > > ridiculous.
> > >
> > > Truth:
> > >
> > > Exercise alone is not enough to induce weight loss if intake is
> > > excessive.
> > >
> > > > "I was eating 5,500 calories a day when I crossed the

Antarctic -

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but
> > > > I lost three stone."
> > >
> > > Truth:
> > >
> > > It was extremely unlikely that he was eating exactly 5,500

calories a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > day.
> > >
> > > Instead, he lost three stone because he was eating less than his

body

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > needed each day.
> > >
> > > > "It's an extreme example, but it shows that the idea that weight
loss
> > > > is all about diet and not activity has been over-emphasised."
> > >
> > > Truth:
> > >
> > > Exercise is neither necessary nor sufficient for weight loss if

intake

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > is excessive.
> > >
> > > > Dr Stroud said the chances of an overweight but active

individual

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > having a serious heart attack or stroke are raised by only 20%
> > > > compared to a lean active individual, whereas an inactive lean
> > > > individual is close to being at 300% greater risk.
> > >
> > > The rest of the medical community knows that those who have

metabolic

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Quoted message said:

> > > syndrome (MetS) as a consequence of being overweight is close to

being

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > at 600-800% higher risk of having a cardiovascular "event."
> >
> > The benefits of being fit may, in fact, outweigh the risks of being
> > overweight, at least for men. Here's the abstract from a study
published in
> > the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (Vol. 69, No. 3, 373-380,
March
> > 1999) - http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/69/3/373 :
> >
> > "Background: Cardiorespiratory fitness and body fatness are both

related

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to
> > health, but their interrelation to all-cause and cardiovascular

disease

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > (CVD) mortality is unknown.
> > Objective: We examined the health benefits of leanness and the

hazards

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of
> > obesity while simultaneously considering cardiorespiratory fitness.
> >
> > Design: This was an observational cohort study. We followed 21925

men,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

aged
> > 30-83 y, who had a body-composition assessment and a maximal

treadmill

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > exercise test. There were 428 deaths (144 from CVD, 143 from cancer,

and

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Quoted message said:

141
> > from other causes) in an average of 8 y of follow-up (176742

man-years).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >
> > Results: After adjustment for age, examination year, cigarette

smoking,

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Quoted message said:

> > alcohol intake, and parental history of ischemic heart disease,

unfit

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(low
> > cardiorespiratory fitness as determined by maximal exercise

testing),

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

lean
> > men had double the risk of all-cause mortality of fit, lean men
(relative
> > risk: 2.07; 95% CI: 1.16, 3.69; P = 0.01). Unfit, lean men also had

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

higher
> > risk of all-cause and CVD mortality than did men who were fit and

obese.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

We
> > observed similar results for fat and fat-free mass in relation to
mortality.
> > Unfit men had a higher risk of all-cause and CVD mortality than did

fit

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

men
> > in all fat and fat-free mass categories. Similarly, unfit men with

low

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

waist
> > girths (<87 cm) had greater risk of all-cause mortality than did fit

men

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > with high waist girths (99 cm).
> >
> > Conclusions: The health benefits of leanness are limited to fit men,

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > being fit may reduce the hazards of obesity. "
> >
>
> ... not in the setting of metabolic syndrome (MetS).
>
> "The rest of the medical community knows that those who have metabolic
syndrome
> (MetS) as a consequence of being overweight are close to being at

600-800%

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> higher risk of having a cardiovascular 'event'."

The OP was talking about an "overweight but active individual". Your
cross-post spoke of MetS, but an "overweight but active" individual is
unlikely to suffer from MetS (the vast majority of folks with MetS are
highly sedentary).

Actually, folks are genetically predisposed to having MetS whether they

are

Quoted message said:

active or not.

I find that very hard to believe...could you cite some references to back
this up?

The background information provided in the article you cite below backs up my statement.

Quoted message said:

Most references I've seen indicate that MetS is caused by poor
lifestyle choices - especially, eating and exercise habits.

You may cite your references.

Quoted message said:

This is often
cited to explain why the rate of MetS is increasing (something that would
not normally be associated with genetics).

(it is associated with the genetics of susceptibility)

Quoted message said:

Regardless, being fit also attenuates the health risks of MetS.

But does not "cure" it.

Quoted message said:

Here's an
abstract from the Archives of Internal Medicine (2004 May
24;164(10):1092-7) -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15159266

"BACKGROUND: The metabolic syndrome is a prevalent condition that carries
with it an increased risk of type 2 diabetes mellitus, cardiovascular
disease (CVD), and mortality.

OBJECTIVE: To determine the relationship between cardiorespiratory fitness
(CRF) and mortality in healthy men and in those with the metabolic syndrome.

METHODS: The sample included 19 223 men, aged 20 to 83 years, who received a
clinical evaluation between 1979 and 1995 with mortality follow-up through
December 31, 1996. There were 15 466 healthy men (80.5%) and 3757 men with
the metabolic syndrome (19.5%).

RESULTS: A total of 480 deaths (161 due to CVD) occurred during 196 298
man-years of follow-up. After adjustment for age, year of examination,
smoking status, alcohol consumption, and parental CVD, the relative risks
(RRs) (95% confidence interval) of all-cause and CVD mortality were 1.29
(1.05-1.57) and 1.89 (1.36-2.60), respectively, for men with the metabolic
syndrome compared with healthy men. After the inclusion of CRF, the
associations were not significant. The RRs comparing unfit with fit men for
all-cause mortality were 2.18 (1.66-2.87) in healthy men and 2.01
(1.38-2.93) in men with the metabolic syndrome, whereas the RRs for CVD
mortality for unfit vs fit men were 3.21 (2.03-5.07) in healthy men and 2.25
(1.27-3.97) in men with the metabolic syndrome. A significant dose-response
relationship between CRF and mortality was also observed in men with the
metabolic syndrome.

CONCLUSION: In this sample, CRF provided a strong protective effect against
all-cause and CVD mortality in healthy men and men with the metabolic
syndrome."

Comment: This study seems underpowered to really look at people with MetS.

Nonetheless, the better goal would be to "cure" MetS.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In other words, an "overweight but active individual" can still have MetS

but be

Quoted message said:

lulled into a state of false reassurance by the OP's comments.

Quoted message said:

I was just attempting to clarify the waters you muddied,
dear Chung whom I love ;-).

Actually, your attempt clouds the issue by giving a false sense of

reassurance

Quoted message said:

to those who are overweight.

Truth:

A lean individual will not have MetS.

Truth: a lean unfit individual can have a higher risk of CVD than a fit,
overweight individual, or a fit person with MetS. Unfortunately, most
overweight folks, and folks with MetS are far from fit.

There is no truth in fortune.

You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love.

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will escape satan's rule
and torment of your soul after you die.

Please do consider the following before it is too late:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

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Andrew

--
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GaryG said:

The benefits of being fit may, in fact, outweigh the risks of being
overweight, at least for men. Here's the abstract from a study....

When you have any credentials to read a citation, let me know. Otherwise,
your post is worthless.

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

GaryG said:

The benefits of being fit may, in fact, outweigh the risks of being
overweight, at least for men. Here's the abstract from a study....

When you have any credentials to read a citation, let me know. Otherwise,
your post is worthless.

Ouch. As always you may have at the other cheek, dear MU whom I love.

GG
http://www.WeightWare.com
Your Weight and Health Diary

[email hidden] (Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (fresh~horses) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/calendar/2004/conf_2004_nao.htm

Extremes of physical activity and endurance
The case for exercise - lessons from extremes
This session will examine weight change on Polar expeditions and the
running of 7 marathons in 7 days.
Dr Mike Stroud, Institute of Human Nutrition, Southampton

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3734060.stm

-------snip tangent--------

In 2003, Dr Stroud completed seven marathons in seven days across
seven continents alongside the explorer Sir Ranulph Fiennes.

Dr Stroud said: "I have shown that, when you're doing a great deal of
exercise, the idea that exercise cannot induce weight loss is
ridiculous.

Truth:

Exercise alone is not enough to induce weight loss if intake is
excessive.

Eating less is not enough to induce weight loss if you don't exercise,
unless you don't care if you become malnourished and floppy.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"I was eating 5,500 calories a day when I crossed the Antarctic - but
I lost three stone."

Truth:

It was extremely unlikely that he was eating exactly 5,500 calories a
day.

He ingested a planned daily number of calories and hydrated a planned
amount. He was a science 'case study'. No more. No less.

Quoted message said:

Instead, he lost three stone because he was eating less than his body
needed each day.

Mmm Hmmm.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"It's an extreme example, but it shows that the idea that weight loss
is all about diet and not activity has been over-emphasised."

Truth:

Exercise is neither necessary nor sufficient for weight loss if intake
is excessive.

But we don't live in test tubes Andrew. We are human animals. Made to
move. It is sick-making if we don't. And muscles burn more energy than
flab. So if our goal is to burn calories, it aids that to move.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Dr Stroud said the chances of an overweight but active individual
having a serious heart attack or stroke are raised by only 20%
compared to a lean active individual, whereas an inactive lean
individual is close to being at 300% greater risk.

The rest of the medical community knows that those who have metabolic
syndrome (MetS) as a consequence of being overweight is close to being
at 600-800% higher risk of having a cardiovascular "event."

Quoted message said:

He said people should not focus on having to go to the gym to lose
weight, but should build exercise - such as walking - into their
everyday lives.

My guess is that if Dr. Stroud ever injures himself, he would soon
become overweight.

Oh well then he could just lay there and eat less.

Not buying any of this Andrew and I don't know why you keep pushing
it. It is the antithesis of health.

Quoted message said:

Andrew

zee

In article <[email hidden]>,

(fresh~horses) said:

Eating less is not enough to induce weight loss if you don't exercise,
unless you don't care if you become malnourished and floppy.

You certainly can lose weight by eating less, without becoming
malnourished. You may be right on the floppy comment though, unless one
truly does nearly starve and have very little body fat.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Luna <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(fresh~horses) said:

Eating less is not enough to induce weight loss if you don't exercise,
unless you don't care if you become malnourished and floppy.

You certainly can lose weight by eating less, without becoming
malnourished.

That depends on where you started, what is the total of your caloric
intake in relation to the previous statement, what you're eating, what
your nutritional needs are, whether or not what you have chosen to eat
is meeting them, and; whether or not you're content to lose muscle
mass overwhelmingly or hope for something more....healthful.

Which I know, from having read many of your posts, you do...hope for
something more healthful.

You certainly can. But one would hope you wouldn't, that a
cardiologist didn't imply this was a healthful, and those reading here
wouldn't take it as good advice.

Zee

You may be right on the floppy comment though, unless one

Quoted message said:

truly does nearly starve and have very little body fat.

fresh~horses said:

Luna <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(fresh~horses) said:

Eating less is not enough to induce weight loss if you don't exercise,
unless you don't care if you become malnourished and floppy.

You certainly can lose weight by eating less, without becoming
malnourished.

That depends on where you started, what is the total of your caloric
intake in relation to the previous statement, what you're eating, what
your nutritional needs are, whether or not what you have chosen to eat
is meeting them, and; whether or not you're content to lose muscle
mass overwhelmingly or hope for something more....healthful.

Michelle's statement is true independent of your concerns, Zee.

Quoted message said:

Which I know, from having read many of your posts, you do...hope for
something more healthful.

You certainly can. But one would hope you wouldn't, that a
cardiologist didn't imply this was a healthful, and those reading here
wouldn't take it as good advice.

Information is not advice.

Quoted message said:

Zee

You remain in my prayers, dear Zee whom I love.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(fresh~horses) said:

Eating less is not enough to induce weight loss if you don't exercise,
unless you don't care if you become malnourished and floppy.

You certainly can lose weight by eating less, without becoming
malnourished.

Truth.

Quoted message said:

You may be right on the floppy comment though, unless one
truly does nearly starve and have very little body fat.

Untrue.

Truth:

Truth: Atrophy occurs from disuse and not from eating less.

Quoted message said:

Michelle Levin

You remain in my prayers, dear Michelle whom I love.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
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fresh~horses said:

[email hidden] (Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/calendar/2004/conf_2004_nao.htm

Extremes of physical activity and endurance
The case for exercise - lessons from extremes
This session will examine weight change on Polar expeditions and the
running of 7 marathons in 7 days.
Dr Mike Stroud, Institute of Human Nutrition, Southampton

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3734060.stm

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In 2003, Dr Stroud completed seven marathons in seven days across
seven continents alongside the explorer Sir Ranulph Fiennes.

Dr Stroud said: "I have shown that, when you're doing a great deal of
exercise, the idea that exercise cannot induce weight loss is
ridiculous.

Truth:

Exercise alone is not enough to induce weight loss if intake is
excessive.

Eating less is not enough to induce weight loss if you don't exercise,

Untrue.

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unless you don't care if you become malnourished and floppy.

Truth: Atrophy occurs from disuse and not from eating less.

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"I was eating 5,500 calories a day when I crossed the Antarctic - but
I lost three stone."

Truth:

It was extremely unlikely that he was eating exactly 5,500 calories a
day.

He ingested a planned daily number of calories and hydrated a planned
amount. He was a science 'case study'. No more. No less.

No truth.

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Instead, he lost three stone because he was eating less than his body
needed each day.

Mmm Hmmm.

Truth.

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"It's an extreme example, but it shows that the idea that weight loss
is all about diet and not activity has been over-emphasised."

Truth:

Exercise is neither necessary nor sufficient for weight loss if intake
is excessive.

But we don't live in test tubes Andrew. We are human animals. Made to
move. It is sick-making if we don't. And muscles burn more energy than
flab. So if our goal is to burn calories, it aids that to move.

Truth: Thousands of disabled persons will stay sedentary maintaining
their weight by not eating more than they need.

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Dr Stroud said the chances of an overweight but active individual
having a serious heart attack or stroke are raised by only 20%
compared to a lean active individual, whereas an inactive lean
individual is close to being at 300% greater risk.

The rest of the medical community knows that those who have metabolic
syndrome (MetS) as a consequence of being overweight is close to being
at 600-800% higher risk of having a cardiovascular "event."

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He said people should not focus on having to go to the gym to lose
weight, but should build exercise - such as walking - into their
everyday lives.

My guess is that if Dr. Stroud ever injures himself, he would soon
become overweight.

Oh well then he could just lay there and eat less.

Yes.

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Not buying any of this Andrew and I don't know why you keep pushing
it. It is the antithesis of health.

Truth:

Helping people reach and maintain their *ideal* body weight can
potentially double their lifespan and quality of life. This is the
ultimate goal in health and wellness.

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zee

You remain in my prayers, dear Zee whom I love.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Truth:

Helping people reach and maintain their *ideal* body weight can
potentially double their lifespan and quality of life. This is the
ultimate goal in health and wellness.

I agree, but there is more than weight alone.
How do you know the ideal body weight?
7 years ago I was completely out of shapes at 5'6" and 220 pound The
mirror was screaming back at me, "DO SOMETHING!" lose weight.

7 years later I can:
* Run a couple of miles without getting tired
(I run three times a week)
* Exercise at least an hour everyday
* Bench press my own weight (once a week)
* Arm curl half my weight (once a week)
* Do 500 crunches (about five times a week, definition is just starting)

I'm still 5'6" and 210 pound lost only 10 pounds
and my Body Mass Index (BMI) is still at 33 or extremely obese.

So there is much more than weight alone.

--
Francois B.
francois[at]NewBody4Free[dot]c o m
http://www.NewBody4Free.com - an online tool that you can customize to
help you achieve your weight and fitness goals!

On 15 Oct 2004 19:37:33 -0700, [email hidden]
(fresh~horses) wrote:

trying to debate chung in a rational manner is useless. chung is a
nutter and a well known net kook and troll. he cross posts in the
hopes of getting attention, any attention. he enjoys creating
conflict between christians and non christians and enjoys mocking
those who are trying to lose weight without getting sucked into
useless scams and [censored] like his own.

he had to leave florida in order to keep his medical license because
of the harm he caused while victimizing the patients and staff of a
cardiac center he was fired from.

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