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Oct-2004 NYC CM: Facts to Counterbalance the NYPD Press Release

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  1. =v= As I look through the various media stories and broadcasts
    about last night's Critical Mass ride, I noticed that many
    repeat allegations from the NYPD's press release. Namely:

    (1) Bicyclists were supposed to follow a set route.
    (2) Some created a "breach of faith" by leaving the route.
    (3) The arrests made were for leaving the route and then
    allegedly doing various traffic offenses.

    =v= I would like to correct the record on these points. First,
    the court order did not stipulate that bicyclists had to follow
    a set route. As the judge pointed out in his ruling, the police
    are there to enforce the law, not create it. The NYPD handed
    out a flyer that described a route and threatened arrest for
    those who didn't follow it. I did not read this flyer when I
    started the ride, so I did not know this.

    =v= It was impossible to veer from the route. The police backed
    up their imposition of the route by stationing hundreds of cops
    at every intersection.

    =v= At various points the police diverted bicyclists from the
    route. I myself was diverted off the route by the police (not
    knowing there was a route). We ran into other groups of
    bicyclists who had also been diverted by the police. If anyone
    was acting in bad faith, it was the NYPD.

    =v= I do not know whether any bicyclists spontaneously broke
    away from the route (as the _New_York_Times_ describes it).
    I did not see any opportunity to do so because of the cops at
    every intersection.

    =v= If you were on the ride and witnessed this sort of stuff,
    I urge you to contact the media and set the story straight.
    As much videotape of the police diversions as possible would
    be nice.

    =v= Late last night, so most media don't have any coverage of
    this, the NYPD cut some locks near the TIME'S UP! party and
    stole some bicycles. IANAL, but this seems to be in violation
    of the federal court order. The bicycles were locked to a gate
    where bicycles have been locked for years, so this clearly a
    case of selective enforcement.
    <_Jym_>

  2. "Jym Dyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    =v= As I look through the various media stories and broadcasts
    about last night's Critical Mass ride, I noticed that many
    repeat allegations from the NYPD's press release. Namely:

    (1) Bicyclists were supposed to follow a set route.
    (2) Some created a "breach of faith" by leaving the route.
    (3) The arrests made were for leaving the route and then
    allegedly doing various traffic offenses.

    =v= I would like to correct the record on these points. First,
    the court order did not stipulate that bicyclists had to follow
    a set route. As the judge pointed out in his ruling, the police
    are there to enforce the law, not create it. The NYPD handed
    out a flyer that described a route and threatened arrest for
    those who didn't follow it. I did not read this flyer when I
    started the ride, so I did not know this.

    That is a lie. I saw you read it, you laughed and tossed it. Your arragance
    is boundless.

    Quoted message said:


    =v= It was impossible to veer from the route. The police backed
    up their imposition of the route by stationing hundreds of cops
    at every intersection.

    =v= At various points the police diverted bicyclists from the
    route. I myself was diverted off the route by the police (not
    knowing there was a route). We ran into other groups of
    bicyclists who had also been diverted by the police. If anyone
    was acting in bad faith, it was the NYPD.

    I saw no diversions, but many bicycle riders take off to avoid or aggravate
    cops..

    Quoted message said:


    =v= I do not know whether any bicyclists spontaneously broke
    away from the route (as the _New_York_Times_ describes it).
    I did not see any opportunity to do so because of the cops at
    every intersection.

    Another boldfaced lie. Cops were not at every intersection.

    Quoted message said:


    =v= If you were on the ride and witnessed this sort of stuff,
    I urge you to contact the media and set the story straight.
    As much videotape of the police diversions as possible would
    be nice.

    I saw NO diversions, at all, neither did any of my friends.

    Quoted message said:

    =v= Late last night, so most media don't have any coverage of
    this, the NYPD cut some locks near the TIME'S UP! party and
    stole some bicycles.

    Another lie, just to make people mad, your old trick Jym, say the cops stole
    bicycles to get people [censored].

    Quoted message said:

    IANAL, but this seems to be in violation
    of the federal court order. The bicycles were locked to a gate
    where bicycles have been locked for years, so this clearly a
    case of selective enforcement.
    <_Jym_>

  3. Quoted message said:

    That is a lie. I saw you read it, you laughed and tossed it.

    =v= Really? What was I wearing?
    <_Jym_>

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