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  1. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29434-2004Aug24.html

    A Regular Soda a Day Boosts Weight Gain
    Non-Diet Drinks Also Increase Risk of Diabetes, Study Shows

    By Rob Stein
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, August 25, 2004; Page A01

    Women who drink non-diet soda or fruit punch every day gain weight
    quickly and face a sharply elevated risk of diabetes, according to a
    major study released yesterday.

    The study of more than 50,000 U.S. nurses found that those who drank
    just one serving of soda or fruit punch a day tended to gain much more
    weight than those who drank less than one a month, and had more than
    an 80 percent increased risk of developing Type 2 diabetes, the most
    common form of the disease. The risk pertained to drinks sweetened
    with either sugar or high-fructose corn syrup.

    _____Obesity_____

    • Government Releases Plan Focusing on Obesity (Reuters, Aug 24,
    2004)
    • Obesity Raises Risk for 9 Cancer Types (Associated Press, Aug
    24, 2004)
    • Shrinking the Universe (The Washington Post, Aug 24, 2004)
    • Number of Americans Who Have High Blood Pressure Up Sharply
    (The Washington Post, Aug 24, 2004)
    • Obesity Raises Risk for 9 Cancer Types (Associated Press, Aug
    23, 2004)
    • More Stories

    _____Health Calculators_____

    How do your meals add up? Calculate calories at fast-food restaurants
    and check your body fat.
    • Calorie Counter
    • Body Mass Index

    _____Sally Squires_____

    • Past Lean Plate Club Columns
    • Lean Plate Club Discussion Transcripts

    _____Diabetes_____

    • Risk Syndrome Found In Overweight Teens (The Washington Post,
    Aug 12, 2003)
    • FDA Clarifies Guidelines for Approval of Drugs, Devices (The
    Washington Post, Jan 31, 2003)
    • A Self-Test for Diabetics (The Washington Post, Jan 14, 2003)
    • Regimen Offers Hope for Some Diabetics (The Washington Post,
    Apr 30, 2002)
    • For Tribes, Traditions May Be Key to a Healthier Future (The
    Washington Post, Apr 9, 2002)
    • Diabetes News

    Although previous studies have linked such drinks to obesity and
    diabetes, the association has been the subject of intense debate as
    health activists have fought to ban soda vending machines from schools
    and the sugar industry has lobbied against dietary guidelines that
    discourage sugar consumption by children and adults. The new study is
    by far the largest and best-designed and one of the first to examine
    the issue in adults.

    "The message is: Anyone who cares about their health or the health of
    their family would not consume these beverages," said Walter C.
    Willett of the Harvard School of Public Health, who helped conduct the
    study. "Parents who care about their children's health should not keep
    them at home."

    Neither diet soda nor unsweetened fruit juices appear to carry the
    same risks, the researchers found. Although the study involved only
    women, the researchers believed that the risks also hold for men.

    Other experts agreed, saying the study represented a milestone in the
    debate over soft drink consumption, which has skyrocketed in the past
    20 years with the rising obesity epidemic.

    "While it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that soda causes weight
    gain because it's high in calories, these findings are very
    significant. I think they are really a wake-up call to the consumer of
    soft drink beverages, to the government, to the community, to primary
    care providers," said Caroline M. Apovian of the Boston University
    School of Medicine, who wrote an editorial accompanying the findings
    in today's Journal of the American Medical Association.

    The sugar and beverage industries said the study was fundamentally
    flawed.

    "The conclusions from this study are scientifically unsound, and they
    are at odds with all that's known in the scientific community," said
    Richard Adamson, vice president for scientific and technical affairs
    at the American Beverage Association. "These allegations are
    inflammatory."

    Among the study's many problems, Adamson said, the researchers failed
    to take into consideration a host of other variables that could
    account for the apparent risk. Women who drink a lot of soda may
    simply have generally unhealthy lifestyles, he said.

    "If they would have adjusted for all the confounding factors, they
    would not have found any risk at all," he said.

    Any increased risk for diabetes in the study could be attributed to
    the weight the women gained, not their sugar intake, said Charles
    Baker, vice president for scientific affairs for the Sugar
    Association.

    "It's not about sugar. It's about calorie imbalance," Baker said.

    But other nutrition experts hailed the research.

    "This is a strong study, which joins a number of others in showing
    that soft drink consumption is related to poor diet and obesity, yet
    the soft drink industry says the opposite," said Kelly Brownell, who
    is director of the Yale University Center for Eating and Weight
    Disorders. "They lose credibility by the day. Reducing soft drink
    consumption may be a powerful means of addressing the obesity crisis."

    In the study, Willett and his colleagues analyzed data collected from
    Nurses' Health Study II, an ongoing project involving 91,249 women
    designed to examine an abundance of health issues by regularly
    questioning the women in depth over many years.

    Data collected from 51,603 women over an average of four years found
    that the women who gained the most weight were those who increased
    their consumption of non-diet drinks from one or fewer per week to one
    or more per day, the researchers found. Such women gained an average
    of 10.3 pounds, compared with an average of slightly less than three
    pounds for those who consumed one drink or less per week.

    In addition, those who had one or more drinks containing sugar or corn
    syrup per day were 83 percent more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes
    than those who drank less than one such drink per month. Diabetes, a
    chronic blood sugar disorder that puts victims at risk for a variety
    of serious complications, is becoming increasingly common in the
    United States.

    "Putting down all that sugar is not a healthy thing to do," Willett
    said in a telephone interview. "That's the bottom line."

    He said the findings held true even after the researchers adjusted for
    a variety of factors that could explain the findings, such as how much
    exercise the women were getting and how well they ate overall.

    The findings suggest that there is something especially unhealthy
    about calories consumed in liquid form, Apovian said.

    "It seems that when you drink your calories as opposed to eating them,
    your body may not sense that you've just taken in those calories and
    your appetite doesn't seem to compensate," Apovian said. "The appetite
    circuit might not be programmed to register liquid calories."

    *****

    This is what I've been saying in sci.med.nutrition for going on four
    years now.

    Apologies and retractions will now be graciously accepted.

    TC

  2. tcomeau said:


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29434-2004Aug24.html

    A Regular Soda a Day Boosts Weight Gain
    Non-Diet Drinks Also Increase Risk of Diabetes, Study Shows

    That's why these drinks are weighed per the 2PD Approach:

    http:/www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
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    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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  3. The hell with you and your voodoo 2PD [censored]. This is a science
    newsgroup not some stupid ass spammer voodoo diet forum. Your god will
    wave to you as you rot in a board certified hell. Quack.

    TC

    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    tcomeau said:


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29434-2004Aug24.html

    A Regular Soda a Day Boosts Weight Gain
    Non-Diet Drinks Also Increase Risk of Diabetes, Study Shows

    That's why these drinks are weighed per the 2PD Approach:

    http:/www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

    **
    Who is the humblest person in the universe?
    http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048

    What is all this about?
    http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48

    Is this spam?
    http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867

  4. tcomeau said:

    The hell with you and your voodoo 2PD [censored].

    Sorry the truth bothers you.

    Quoted message said:

    This is a science
    newsgroup not some stupid ass spammer voodoo diet forum.

    You started this thread. Sorry you regret it.

    Quoted message said:

    Your god will
    wave to you as you rot in a board certified hell. Quack.

    Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.

    Quoted message said:


    TC

    You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

    **
    Who is the humblest person in the universe?
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    What is all this about?
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    Is this spam?
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  5. "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    tcomeau said:

    The hell with you and your voodoo 2PD [censored].

    Sorry the truth bothers you.

    What truth?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    This is a science
    newsgroup not some stupid ass spammer voodoo diet forum.

    You started this thread. Sorry you regret it.

    I did not invite you to take part. In fact I would prefer that you
    keep your nonsense to yourself. Go post where people are stupid enough
    to buy into your board certified garbage.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Your god will
    wave to you as you rot in a board certified hell. Quack.

    Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.

    [censored] you.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    TC

    You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.

    [censored] you.....

    Quoted message said:


    [censored] to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Quack

    ....and the horse you rode in on.

    TC

  6. [email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29434-2004Aug24.html

    A Regular Soda a Day Boosts Weight Gain
    Non-Diet Drinks Also Increase Risk of Diabetes, Study Shows

    By Rob Stein
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, August 25, 2004; Page A01

    Women who drink non-diet soda or fruit punch every day gain weight
    quickly and face a sharply elevated risk of diabetes, according to a
    major study released yesterday.

    But the women who drank MORE than one can per DAY gained LESS weight
    than the ones who drank LESS than one can per WEEK. Report rather
    glosses over that, as do the media.

    Quoted message said:

    The study of more than 50,000 U.S. nurses found that those who drank
    just one serving of soda or fruit punch a day tended to gain much more
    weight than those who drank less than one a month, and had more than
    an 80 percent increased risk of developing Type 2 diabetes, the most
    common form of the disease. The risk pertained to drinks sweetened
    with either sugar or high-fructose corn syrup.

    Actually they said the risk came even from DIET soft-drinks which had
    no sugar (kind of goes against their main "point", if you could say
    the report had one). They said that with more than just ONE DIET
    soft-drink you get an increase of 21%!

    Most significantly, the numbers clearly indicate the soda isn't the
    problem, the fat is. Correcting (statistically adjusting) for two
    factors : daily caloric-intake and weight, the "increase" falls to 32%
    (no longer a correlation, now is it, since the non-sugared drinks are
    21%?). This strongly points to the person being sedentary as the main
    risk factor here.

    Just last April, the co-author of this study published a paper saying
    that Sugar intake was NOT correlated with any type 2 diabetes risk.

    Why didn't they follow up with the MOST logical link as a clincher --
    if you want to "blame" soft drinks and need a smoking gun, find out
    how active the women are -- make "calories burned by exercise per day"
    or something along those lines an explicitly empirical column in the
    data.

    If you are fat, then you are at risk. If you are fat AND sedentary,
    then you are effectively a paying subscriber to D2 - the sequel.

  7. tcomeau said:

    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    tcomeau said:

    The hell with you and your voodoo 2PD [censored].

    Sorry the truth bothers you.

    What truth?

    Sorry you are unable to discern it.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    This is a science
    newsgroup not some stupid ass spammer voodoo diet forum.

    You started this thread. Sorry you regret it.

    I did not invite you to take part.

    Welcome to Usenet.

    Quoted message said:

    In fact I would prefer that you
    keep your nonsense to yourself.

    Sorry my being openly Christian bothers you.

    Quoted message said:

    Go post where people are stupid enough
    to buy into your board certified garbage.

    Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Your god will
    wave to you as you rot in a board certified hell. Quack.

    Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.


    <hiss hiss>

    Sorry my turning the other cheek bothers you.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    TC

    You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.

    <hiss hiss.....>

    Sorry my praying for you bothers you.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    [censored] to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Quack

    ...and the horse you rode in on.

    TC

    You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com/

    **
    Who is the humblest person in the universe?
    http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048

    What is all this about?
    http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48

    Is this spam?
    http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867

  8. "Floomis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29434-2004Aug24.html

    A Regular Soda a Day Boosts Weight Gain
    Non-Diet Drinks Also Increase Risk of Diabetes, Study Shows

    By Rob Stein
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, August 25, 2004; Page A01

    Women who drink non-diet soda or fruit punch every day gain weight
    quickly and face a sharply elevated risk of diabetes, according to a
    major study released yesterday.

    But the women who drank MORE than one can per DAY gained LESS weight
    than the ones who drank LESS than one can per WEEK. Report rather
    glosses over that, as do the media.

    Quoted message said:

    The study of more than 50,000 U.S. nurses found that those who drank
    just one serving of soda or fruit punch a day tended to gain much more
    weight than those who drank less than one a month, and had more than
    an 80 percent increased risk of developing Type 2 diabetes, the most
    common form of the disease. The risk pertained to drinks sweetened
    with either sugar or high-fructose corn syrup.

    Actually they said the risk came even from DIET soft-drinks which had
    no sugar (kind of goes against their main "point", if you could say
    the report had one). They said that with more than just ONE DIET
    soft-drink you get an increase of 21%!

    Could you provide a reference for this. Thanks.

    Bill

    Quoted message said:

    Most significantly, the numbers clearly indicate the soda isn't the
    problem, the fat is. Correcting (statistically adjusting) for two
    factors : daily caloric-intake and weight, the "increase" falls to 32%
    (no longer a correlation, now is it, since the non-sugared drinks are
    21%?). This strongly points to the person being sedentary as the main
    risk factor here.

    Just last April, the co-author of this study published a paper saying
    that Sugar intake was NOT correlated with any type 2 diabetes risk.

    Why didn't they follow up with the MOST logical link as a clincher --
    if you want to "blame" soft drinks and need a smoking gun, find out
    how active the women are -- make "calories burned by exercise per day"
    or something along those lines an explicitly empirical column in the
    data.

    If you are fat, then you are at risk. If you are fat AND sedentary,
    then you are effectively a paying subscriber to D2 - the sequel.

  9. Are diet sodas (eg, diet coke) bad for your teeth? Bad for weight loss? Bad
    for your liver? Circulatory system? Etc?

    For years I've looked for an answer about teeth, but never found a
    definitive answer.

    Most sodas have phosphoric acid to acidify the taste (bit a bite which
    complements the sweetness
    from sugar, aspartame or whatever). I'd expect that is a threat to the
    teeth, but not sure. Without the sugar, _maybe_ bacterial attack is much
    less, but overall damage?

    Any intelligent commentary or sources, appreciated.

    Regards, Harv.

  10. "Harvey Carolles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Are diet sodas (eg, diet coke) bad for your teeth? Bad for weight loss? Bad
    for your liver? Circulatory system? Etc?

    For years I've looked for an answer about teeth, but never found a
    definitive answer.

    Most sodas have phosphoric acid to acidify the taste (bit a bite which
    complements the sweetness
    from sugar, aspartame or whatever). I'd expect that is a threat to the
    teeth, but not sure. Without the sugar, _maybe_ bacterial attack is much
    less, but overall damage?

    Any intelligent commentary or sources, appreciated.

    Regards, Harv.

    Those populations that do not eat any refined carbs have little or no
    dental problems as we do. Do a google search on Weston Price. Real
    interesting stuff.

    TC

  11. [email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29434-2004Aug24.html

    A Regular Soda a Day Boosts Weight Gain
    Non-Diet Drinks Also Increase Risk of Diabetes, Study Shows

    By Rob Stein
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, August 25, 2004; Page A01

    Women who drink non-diet soda or fruit punch every day gain weight
    quickly and face a sharply elevated risk of diabetes, according to a
    major study released yesterday.

    The study of more than 50,000 U.S. nurses found that those who drank
    just one serving of soda or fruit punch a day tended to gain much more
    weight than those who drank less than one a month, and had more than
    an 80 percent increased risk of developing Type 2 diabetes, the most
    common form of the disease. The risk pertained to drinks sweetened
    with either sugar or high-fructose corn syrup.

    _____Obesity_____

    • Government Releases Plan Focusing on Obesity (Reuters, Aug 24,
    2004)
    • Obesity Raises Risk for 9 Cancer Types (Associated Press, Aug
    24, 2004)
    • Shrinking the Universe (The Washington Post, Aug 24, 2004)
    • Number of Americans Who Have High Blood Pressure Up Sharply
    (The Washington Post, Aug 24, 2004)
    • Obesity Raises Risk for 9 Cancer Types (Associated Press, Aug
    23, 2004)
    • More Stories

    _____Health Calculators_____

    How do your meals add up? Calculate calories at fast-food restaurants
    and check your body fat.
    • Calorie Counter
    • Body Mass Index

    _____Sally Squires_____

    • Past Lean Plate Club Columns
    • Lean Plate Club Discussion Transcripts

    _____Diabetes_____

    • Risk Syndrome Found In Overweight Teens (The Washington Post,
    Aug 12, 2003)
    • FDA Clarifies Guidelines for Approval of Drugs, Devices (The
    Washington Post, Jan 31, 2003)
    • A Self-Test for Diabetics (The Washington Post, Jan 14, 2003)
    • Regimen Offers Hope for Some Diabetics (The Washington Post,
    Apr 30, 2002)
    • For Tribes, Traditions May Be Key to a Healthier Future (The
    Washington Post, Apr 9, 2002)
    • Diabetes News

    Although previous studies have linked such drinks to obesity and
    diabetes, the association has been the subject of intense debate as
    health activists have fought to ban soda vending machines from schools
    and the sugar industry has lobbied against dietary guidelines that
    discourage sugar consumption by children and adults. The new study is
    by far the largest and best-designed and one of the first to examine
    the issue in adults.

    "The message is: Anyone who cares about their health or the health of
    their family would not consume these beverages," said Walter C.
    Willett of the Harvard School of Public Health, who helped conduct the
    study. "Parents who care about their children's health should not keep
    them at home."

    Neither diet soda nor unsweetened fruit juices appear to carry the
    same risks, the researchers found. Although the study involved only
    women, the researchers believed that the risks also hold for men.

    Other experts agreed, saying the study represented a milestone in the
    debate over soft drink consumption, which has skyrocketed in the past
    20 years with the rising obesity epidemic.

    "While it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that soda causes weight
    gain because it's high in calories, these findings are very
    significant. I think they are really a wake-up call to the consumer of
    soft drink beverages, to the government, to the community, to primary
    care providers," said Caroline M. Apovian of the Boston University
    School of Medicine, who wrote an editorial accompanying the findings
    in today's Journal of the American Medical Association.

    The sugar and beverage industries said the study was fundamentally
    flawed.

    "The conclusions from this study are scientifically unsound, and they
    are at odds with all that's known in the scientific community," said
    Richard Adamson, vice president for scientific and technical affairs
    at the American Beverage Association. "These allegations are
    inflammatory."

    Among the study's many problems, Adamson said, the researchers failed
    to take into consideration a host of other variables that could
    account for the apparent risk. Women who drink a lot of soda may
    simply have generally unhealthy lifestyles, he said.

    "If they would have adjusted for all the confounding factors, they
    would not have found any risk at all," he said.

    Any increased risk for diabetes in the study could be attributed to
    the weight the women gained, not their sugar intake, said Charles
    Baker, vice president for scientific affairs for the Sugar
    Association.

    "It's not about sugar. It's about calorie imbalance," Baker said.

    But other nutrition experts hailed the research.

    "This is a strong study, which joins a number of others in showing
    that soft drink consumption is related to poor diet and obesity, yet
    the soft drink industry says the opposite," said Kelly Brownell, who
    is director of the Yale University Center for Eating and Weight
    Disorders. "They lose credibility by the day. Reducing soft drink
    consumption may be a powerful means of addressing the obesity crisis."

    In the study, Willett and his colleagues analyzed data collected from
    Nurses' Health Study II, an ongoing project involving 91,249 women
    designed to examine an abundance of health issues by regularly
    questioning the women in depth over many years.

    Data collected from 51,603 women over an average of four years found
    that the women who gained the most weight were those who increased
    their consumption of non-diet drinks from one or fewer per week to one
    or more per day, the researchers found. Such women gained an average
    of 10.3 pounds, compared with an average of slightly less than three
    pounds for those who consumed one drink or less per week.

    In addition, those who had one or more drinks containing sugar or corn
    syrup per day were 83 percent more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes
    than those who drank less than one such drink per month. Diabetes, a
    chronic blood sugar disorder that puts victims at risk for a variety
    of serious complications, is becoming increasingly common in the
    United States.

    "Putting down all that sugar is not a healthy thing to do," Willett
    said in a telephone interview. "That's the bottom line."

    He said the findings held true even after the researchers adjusted for
    a variety of factors that could explain the findings, such as how much
    exercise the women were getting and how well they ate overall.

    The findings suggest that there is something especially unhealthy
    about calories consumed in liquid form, Apovian said.

    "It seems that when you drink your calories as opposed to eating them,
    your body may not sense that you've just taken in those calories and
    your appetite doesn't seem to compensate," Apovian said. "The appetite
    circuit might not be programmed to register liquid calories."

    *****

    This is what I've been saying in sci.med.nutrition for going on four
    years now.

    Apologies and retractions will now be graciously accepted.

    TC

    This is true but soda tastes darn good. There are some good tasting
    diet drinks or drink ice water. ice water tastes pretty good.

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