Re: How to defeat drug company operatives on the NG

Did anyone say megalomania?

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The drug company's have billions to loose with each expose...
its a trillion dollar a year business. too big to fight from
the inside if you are a doctor or teaching professional.

But the drug companies are not too big to fight from the
outside... with public dissemination... so their only counter
option is to try to disrupt and invalidate public education
and options...such as doing your own research of all studies
world wide, studies outside of drug company control.

Here is how the issue of quackery with the drug companies and
their compromised hosts in the medical profession can be
handled:

Recommend research..give key search terms only on the
medical issues, and
post full blown expose on the other issues, fraud, lies, bad
research etc..

I will explain some research strategies later.

First... the tactics listed below are commonly used by
corrupt organizations, govt. corporations or criminals to
avoid detection and investigation:

1. Challenge you to give ONE example.. (not more).. why?
because any single example or bit of research does not make a
valid case and they can pick it apart...or spin the topic to a
special case mentioned in that ONE example.....that's why they
want ONE example...stated in a way as if to make that you cant
even find one.

How to handle: Provide links or key words that will lead
to broad research. keep it up, after a while but not
immediately, people will begin doing the searchs.. that's when
you get the expose that shuts down the fraudulent aspect..it
takes time. 6 months to several years, but it works every
time.

2. If you give a range of studies or overwhelming
evidence.. then they will ignore it entirely repeating the
challenge to provide ONE example etc.

Solution: Point out the person has ignored or snipped your
references or text and just repost it. I often mention the
Darwin Awards because that's where these people are
headed..and they breed kiddies headed in the same directions.
A lack of integrity is contagious.

3. Call any expose a 'nut case conspiracy theory'... no one
wants to be associated with such a label. The fact is that
when a government lies to its people as we have seen plenty of
over the years...it IS a conspiracy...any crime involving more
than one person or bank fraud IS a conspiracy...when a
trillion dollar industry presents bogus research..that IS a
conspiracy... those banning together to lie and defraud are
the *definition of conspiracy.. so don't some idiot play that
card on you.

Solution: Point out that all crime is a conspiracy and
many of their boyz are doing time for lying in court ....and
point out that *speculation is the FIRST step in any
investigation and no proof is required at that stage, just
some bit evidence.. still remaining a speculation. The
drug company ops will try to force you to 'prove' your case
prior to all data being in... final proof is not on the stage
until Kenny Lay goes to prison...prior to that its ALL
speculation... but you understand reasonably well founded and
*must be on the table. The op will try to say if you cant
prove it NOW ....take it off the table.

4. Ad hominem attacks..bogus on the face of such...but its a
very common approach used in combination with the tactics
above.

Solution: Point out that ad hominem is the last resort of
an idiot...or someone in a
loosing position without the integrity to
concede the truth.

5. Change the importance's...For instance getting rid of
Hussein in Iraq was no doubt a very good thing... but does it
justify the 9,000 US soldiers maimed, and the 1100 killed with
still no faintest resolution in sight? and the losses to
Iraq?

Solution: Instantly and boldly concede their point...then
go on to point up the issue in its larger context.

6. Absolute vicious, heart destroying attack..and stalking
you to other NG's and in your email with vitriol.

Solution: Never read such a persons posts... Snip them and
post an expose message.
Kill file the person. Interaction with such a person causes
you to generate cortisols etc and other damaging brain and
body chemistry.. and to self destruct. these people know
this full well. When you see it. point out the tactic and
lack of a valid argument.. and then post more expose.

I have found that with enough expose these ops fade...
their attacks provoke more expose than they can stand...so
they disappear every time...but you cannot afford even a
glance at the vitriol at that level...just repost your expose.

why repost? Because any single post gets light
readership... you don't read every post to a NG either...so
repost your best stuff..I add to it a bit each time...its not
spam if its in that context. Only the drug company operatives
and a few random idiots will complain...the lurkers (100 to
1000 or more per poster, will thank you)

7. The gang bang tactic...that is where one or more drug
company sponsored idiot joins with another to 'agree' that the
expose you just posted is worthless, from a nutcase, or
quackery. Its an attempt to show the lurkers legitimacy by
agreement.

Solution: Point out the gang bang tactic and that two half
wits do not a full witted person make...then prove to them by
continued expose that half wits always loose... that's
satisfying.

8. Finding or spinning a flaw into your argument (called
creating a straw man),,, then knocking the straw man down to
create the impression of victory.

Solution: Do not engage in debate at this level as the
drug company rep will simply use whatever you say to spin more
straw men or twist your words etc. Instead... just able it as
a bogus straw man argument and repost your expose. the more
time you spend responding to such idiots the more upsetting it
is..so learn to type fast one liners...and find one of your
old posts or someone else's to cut copy paste into your reply.

that's viable.

9. Using ombinations of all of these bogus tactics at once..
forecefully and abusively often at serial killer levels of
corruption...some of these people are not decent in any
aspect... those will be brought in on you when the first wave
of dingbats fail....they do this in an effort to boggle the
brain and cause severe upset in thier target,..and get you to
ease posting to the NG... and so that why you try to handle
one bogus issue, 8 more come up....and one is not able to
address all 8 bogus strategies at once, especially as repeated
in any single post or sentence.

Solution: Don't read such attempts on your sanity... dont
read such posters..simply snip at the first bogus remark..
lable it as bogus..and repost your expose. If you become
terminally agravated and upset by this sort of attack... quit
reading the NG..and leave for a few months, or post your
expose occasionally in the bliind..that is log on, click on
new message, post it and leave.

10. They will bring in someone the drug company was running
as cover, and innocuous poster to side with the attack on
you...this can make you feel deserted and it also can come as
a shock.

solution: Dont try to figure this out, it could be
accidental or just random idiocy...just repost your argument.

11. Asking you ad infinitum to explain to ludicrous levels
... for instance 'How to you know water is wet'. prove
it...etc... bird brain tactics...but if you get upset the drug
company ops will use them against you. Just more quackery
from the drug companies

solution: thats either an idiot or an op.. dont get
involved with these, its enervating.. just snip and repost
your expose..or advice on various searches or whatever.. And
do realize that the drug companies are the largest corrupt
special interest group in the world..and they lie ...and they
lie a lot...and THATS Quackery.

Lable it as such.

12. these people will try to beat you to death.

Take care of yourself...go to the movies, rest well, eat well
and do your own research...take months at a time off from
posting... then come back hard when you feel like it.... Never
cater to or kiss the ass of this scum.

Nothing defeats this vicious class of frauds than good
information...give links to a wide spread of it...and list key
words a person can do thier own unbiased searches.

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A little bit of applying these solutions can cost the drug
companies half thier profits, trillions over just a 2 or 4
year span.... and prove to them the liabilites of lying,
trashing, spinning, stealing and making life miserable on the
NG.

the more you post expose the more lurkers there will be...and
the less effective the drug companies will be in thier efforts
to use the good drugs they produce to sell the absolute
disasters...at the cost of thousands of lives.... knowingly.
Not impressive.

You could also buy a share or two of thier stock and then show
up at a stockholders meeting and raise the Quackery
issue...you will about 5 seconds before some thug arrives to
clam you up...but in 5 seconds you can cause the rest of the
stock holders to start thinking.

Phil Scott