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Shimano MTB Freehub/Cassette Compatibility?

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  1. Hi,
    I have many questions about Shimano freehubs, cassettes and
    chain/chainwheel compatibilities.
    First of all, let me say that today I received a Regina 12-31
    freewheel that I purchased for using with an older (1988) Scott
    Boulder MTB that I use as a winter-touring bike. I purchased it last
    year and believed that since the rear cluster was 6-speed, and that it
    was manufactured in 1988... that it used a freewheel mechanism. My
    maintenance to the "freewheel" bearings/races was to simply dribble
    oil into the crack around the bearing race while spinning the
    sprockets. Today, when I removed the axle, bearings and caps to remove
    the "freewheel" I found that my Shimano PR-1 had no where to fit... so
    I headed to my LBS. When I handed the wheel to the extremely friendly
    shop proprietor he immediately grabbed two chainwhips. "Wait a
    minute", I said... "won't that just cause the individual sprockets to
    slide off". He continued on, pulled off the cassette, then he grabbed
    the 10mm allen key... that's right when I knew that I screwed up
    buying the freewheel that had arrived today. Since this particular
    freewheel was apparently part of a "Campy group", I had to pay QUITE a
    lot of money for it. Anyways...
    The reason that I'm wanting to change to 7 speed is that I recently
    purchased a set of cowhorn bars and the clip-on aero bars also, so
    that I can fight the fierce north wind this winter from a more
    aerodynamic position. Christmas day 2003 found me on this same bike
    riding due north on sr123 in Michigans Upper Peninsula. Four inches of
    new snow fell the previous night and in the morning as I headed north
    on the unplowed roadway, in an UPRIGHT position, with a temperature of
    17 degrees F, the north wind was blowing so hard that I could barely
    move forward. This REALLY impeded my progress. I've been planning
    another tour for this winter and I'm trying to be more
    prepared/practical based on my experience from last years 600 mile
    winter trek. BTW... last years ride was my first ever taste of winter
    riding.
    I purchased a NOS set of Gripshift CX-DT 125 7-speed shifters, so
    that my hands do not have to touch any cold metal bits. Also, my
    present 13-30 configuration could be improved upon as I have not been
    getting all of the speed that I could, from the 13 tooth... and a 31
    tooth would give my old knees a slight bit more relief on the major
    climbs (I really am a sissy!).
    Oh yes... my questions. Ok... my LBS mechanic told me that the 13
    tooth sprocket/lockring on my cassette is as small as I can use (no 12
    tooth)...
    So, I apparently seem to need a 7-speed freehub-body that takes the
    non-sprocket type of lockring... but I'm running a 46/34/24 non-ramped
    chainring set and I'm using a Sachs PC-80R chain. I do not believe
    that this setup is compatible with HG (hyperglide) cassettes, which to
    my knowledge are the only thing available in 7 speed that is anywhere
    near what I want. I believe that I'm limited to 11-28 also.
    Another thought is that I may be able to keep my present 13-30
    cassette and just limit the rear deraileur mech to shift on these 6
    sprockets (is that the best way to deal with all of this? More speed
    and easier climbing would be nice, but it's not everything... I just
    want to get this bike ready and if the necessary
    cassettes/freehub-bodies are not available, then I'll do what I have
    to do).
    ANY help is very much welcome and appreciated.

    Owen

  2. Owen Coors said:

    Hi,
    I have many questions about Shimano freehubs, cassettes and
    chain/chainwheel compatibilities.
    First of all, let me say that today I received a Regina 12-31
    freewheel that I purchased for using with an older (1988) Scott
    Boulder MTB that I use as a winter-touring bike. I purchased it last
    year and believed that since the rear cluster was 6-speed, and that it
    was manufactured in 1988... that it used a freewheel mechanism. My
    maintenance to the "freewheel" bearings/races was to simply dribble
    oil into the crack around the bearing race while spinning the
    sprockets. Today, when I removed the axle, bearings and caps to remove
    the "freewheel" I found that my Shimano PR-1 had no where to fit... so
    I headed to my LBS. When I handed the wheel to the extremely friendly
    shop proprietor he immediately grabbed two chainwhips. "Wait a
    minute", I said... "won't that just cause the individual sprockets to
    slide off". He continued on, pulled off the cassette, then he grabbed
    the 10mm allen key... that's right when I knew that I screwed up
    buying the freewheel that had arrived today. Since this particular
    freewheel was apparently part of a "Campy group", I had to pay QUITE a
    lot of money for it. Anyways...
    The reason that I'm wanting to change to 7 speed is that I recently
    purchased a set of cowhorn bars and the clip-on aero bars also, so
    that I can fight the fierce north wind this winter from a more
    aerodynamic position. Christmas day 2003 found me on this same bike
    riding due north on sr123 in Michigans Upper Peninsula. Four inches of
    new snow fell the previous night and in the morning as I headed north
    on the unplowed roadway, in an UPRIGHT position, with a temperature of
    17 degrees F, the north wind was blowing so hard that I could barely
    move forward. This REALLY impeded my progress. I've been planning
    another tour for this winter and I'm trying to be more
    prepared/practical based on my experience from last years 600 mile
    winter trek. BTW... last years ride was my first ever taste of winter
    riding.
    I purchased a NOS set of Gripshift CX-DT 125 7-speed shifters, so
    that my hands do not have to touch any cold metal bits. Also, my
    present 13-30 configuration could be improved upon as I have not been
    getting all of the speed that I could, from the 13 tooth... and a 31
    tooth would give my old knees a slight bit more relief on the major
    climbs (I really am a sissy!).
    Oh yes... my questions. Ok... my LBS mechanic told me that the 13
    tooth sprocket/lockring on my cassette is as small as I can use (no 12
    tooth)...
    So, I apparently seem to need a 7-speed freehub-body that takes the
    non-sprocket type of lockring... but I'm running a 46/34/24 non-ramped
    chainring set and I'm using a Sachs PC-80R chain. I do not believe
    that this setup is compatible with HG (hyperglide) cassettes, which to
    my knowledge are the only thing available in 7 speed that is anywhere
    near what I want. I believe that I'm limited to 11-28 also.
    Another thought is that I may be able to keep my present 13-30
    cassette and just limit the rear deraileur mech to shift on these 6
    sprockets (is that the best way to deal with all of this? More speed
    and easier climbing would be nice, but it's not everything... I just
    want to get this bike ready and if the necessary
    cassettes/freehub-bodies are not available, then I'll do what I have
    to do).
    ANY help is very much welcome and appreciated.

    Owen

    I think the article of Shimano Cassettes and Freehubs by Sheldon Brown should help:
    sheldonbrown.comk7.html

  3. [email hidden] (Owen Coors) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,
    I have many questions about Shimano freehubs, cassettes and
    chain/chainwheel compatibilities.


    <snip>
    Today, when I removed the axle, bearings and caps to remove

    Quoted message said:

    the "freewheel" I found that my Shimano PR-1 had no where to fit... so
    I headed to my LBS. When I handed the wheel to the extremely friendly
    shop proprietor he immediately grabbed two chainwhips. "Wait a
    minute", I said... "won't that just cause the individual sprockets to
    slide off". He continued on, pulled off the cassette, then he grabbed
    the 10mm allen key...

    That means you had a 6-speed Uniglide cassette hub

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Oh yes... my questions. Ok... my LBS mechanic told me that the 13
    tooth sprocket/lockring on my cassette is as small as I can use (no 12
    tooth)...

    Incorrect. The smallest cog that will fit a conventional Shimano
    Uniglide body has 12 teeth. Dura-Ace would go down to 11 teeth, but
    these are extremely rare.

    Quoted message said:

    So, I apparently seem to need a 7-speed freehub-body that takes the
    non-sprocket type of lockring... but I'm running a 46/34/24 non-ramped
    chainring set and I'm using a Sachs PC-80R chain. I do not believe
    that this setup is compatible with HG (hyperglide) cassettes, which to
    my knowledge are the only thing available in 7 speed that is anywhere
    near what I want. I believe that I'm limited to 11-28 also.

    No, if you installed a 7-speed Hyperglide body (it will have the
    internal threads for the lockring), you'll be able to use any 7-speed
    Hyperglide cassette available, as seen on Sheldon's chart:
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/k7.html#7cassettes

    Jeff

  4. daveornee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I think the article of Shimano Cassettes and Freehubs by Sheldon Brown
    should help:
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/k7.html

    Exactly what I needed to know! Thank you VERY much for sharing this with me.

    regards,
    Owen

  5. Well, thanks to Sheldon Brown's pages... I was able to build a 7-speed
    cassette to fit on my existing 6 speed freehub body. I used the 3.1mm
    spacers from a SRAM 7 speed cassette (12-32t) and the 32t HG-type cog
    with my thinner Uniglide cogs... for a 13-32t set that shifts
    perfectly with my Gripshift CX-DT 125 7-speed shifters. The only thing
    that I need now is the 600EX 12t 1st position cog that "Loose Screws"
    lists for $12 (item #89 / cassettes).
    Thanks again for pointing me to Sheldons pages! I'd have never figured
    this out on my own.

    Owen

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