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  1. Paul Saunders said:
    Darren G said:

    what you really need is one of those camera mounts used by film crews
    that give a cushioned, body-mounted support that allow them to follow
    the action and get a smooth shot.

    Hmm... Not entirely sure about that. That's more of a smooth movement
    thing rather than a holding perfectly steady thing, isn't it? More
    useful for video than stills I'd have thought. I wonder if an Image
    Stabilisation lens would help?

    Thing is, we're not talking about holding a camera steady with a slowish
    shutter speed (like 1/30th or less), we're talking about very long
    exposures. I'm not sure I'd want to attempt holding the camera
    perfectly steady for 10 seconds, simpler to just put it on a tripod.

    Besides, I wasn't really trying to hold it steady. I was usually just
    holding the camera with arms outstretched, aiming in the right general
    direction. I wasn't trying to brace it at all for most shots.

    For this kind of shot a gimbal on an extended monopod would be ideal.
    It would take the weight of the camera and lens and you could point it
    where you liked.
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  2. W. D. Grey said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Darren G
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    what you really need is one of those camera mounts used by film crews
    that give a cushioned, body-mounted support that allow them to follow
    the action and get a smooth shot.

    Hydraulics behind this bit of kit I believe.

    And gyros me thinks. Pretty cumbersome too.
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  3. AndyP said:

    "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was surprised there were no 'sparklers shots' too! If you have any
    cousins or other young relatives, give them a sparkler to wave about
    in the dark,

    Quoted message said:

    What? You expect me to *buy* fireworks?

    When we moved our chemical store and had lots of dodgy looking stuff
    probably dating back to the 1920s to dispose of I made an extremely
    impressive firework by chucking about half a jam jar full of sodium in a
    pond. Anyone who knows anything about sodium will realise half a jam jar
    full is rather a lot.

    'kin 'ell!

    Our chemistry teacher was never alowed to put a bit any bigger than a
    *small* pea in water, even then we had to be on the other side of the
    lab.

    He did admit to wanting to try it in the local park lake with a "good
    sized lump" though. :-0
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  4. Phil Cook said:

    For this kind of shot a gimbal on an extended monopod would be ideal.
    It would take the weight of the camera and lens and you could point it
    where you liked.

    Ah! Now that makes more sense. Is a gimbal what I think it is? A
    round thing?

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  5. Paul Saunders said:
    Phil Cook said:

    For this kind of shot a gimbal on an extended monopod would be ideal.
    It would take the weight of the camera and lens and you could point it
    where you liked.

    Ah! Now that makes more sense. Is a gimbal what I think it is? A
    round thing?

    A gimbal is what alows a compass to float on a pitching and rolling
    vessel. What it does is fix a point in space alowing rotational
    movement.

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    You could possibly achieve the same effect using an untightened ball
    and socket mount atop a monopod.
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was surprised there were no 'sparklers shots' too! If you have any
    cousins or other young relatives, give them a sparkler to wave about
    in the dark,

    Quoted message said:

    What? You expect me to *buy* fireworks?

    When we moved our chemical store and had lots of dodgy looking stuff
    probably dating back to the 1920s to dispose of I made an extremely
    impressive firework by chucking about half a jam jar full of sodium in a
    pond. Anyone who knows anything about sodium will realise half a jam jar
    full is rather a lot.


    as a chemist by training who was known to be threatened with the boot
    for 'off-sylabus experiments' I envy that. I take it you chucked it
    from a decent way back!

    --
    Darren

  7. W. D. Grey said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Do you think there's a market for
    selling this kind of "art"? Probably worth putting them on Alamy don't
    you think?

    Definitely - someone will want them for advertising perhaps.

    They're certainly good enough.

    They would make a nice calendar or a screen saver.

    Katherine

  8. Phil Cook said:
    W. D. Grey said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Darren G
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    what you really need is one of those camera mounts used by film crews
    that give a cushioned, body-mounted support that allow them to follow
    the action and get a smooth shot.

    Hydraulics behind this bit of kit I believe.

    And gyros me thinks. Pretty cumbersome too.

    No gyros. A lot of clever thinking, though.

    --
    You don't need to be a cannibal to be fed up with people.

    Mail john rather than nospam...

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Ah! Now that makes more sense. Is a gimbal what I think it is? A
    round thing?


    A ship's compass is gimballed. It is constructed so that it can be moved
    up and down in any direction. A sort of pan-tilt thingy with no movement
    locked.

    The original purpose being to keep the thing that was gimballed level
    when everything else was on the move - like the motion at sea.
    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

  10. "W. D. Grey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Do you think there's a market for
    selling this kind of "art"? Probably worth putting them on Alamy don't
    you think?

    Definitely - someone will want them for advertising perhaps.

    Which is why you should get a model release, regardless of whether the
    person(s) is/are identifiable. Advertising photo buyers will rarely
    touch a photo featuring people if it isn't model-released. It's not
    worth the risk of somebody claiming (and proving) that the person is
    them, and that they disagree with their image being used to advertise
    product X. Your brother is hardly going to try and stitch you up, but
    buyers don't know he's your brother (or care).

    Michael S

  11. W. D. Grey <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    The original purpose being to keep the thing that was gimballed level
    when everything else was on the move - like the motion at sea.

    No Bill, the original purpose was to celebrate the apprehending of a
    group of desperadoes who tried to blow up parliament.

    With today's occupants in mind, I would like to see a ban on the 30 days
    or so of explosives being discharged daily.
    There is little to celebrate.
    --
    Gordon

  12. Paul Saunders said:
    Simon Caldwell said:

    Thread drift? No mention of anything but fireworks - yet 🙂

    The drift started in another thread, so I restarted it here.

    I obviously got bored with that thread before it drifted ;-)

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I particularly like the one of the sparkler.

    Are you alluding to my brother acting as a rocket launcher, or perhaps
    the one above it? There is no sparkler.

    The one above it, which I had (wrongly it seems) taken to be someone
    making circles with a sparkler. So what was it then?

    S.

  13. Gordon said:

    W. D. Grey <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    The original purpose being to keep the thing that was gimballed level
    when everything else was on the move - like the motion at sea.

    No Bill, the original purpose was to celebrate the apprehending of a
    group of desperadoes who tried to blow up parliament.

    With today's occupants in mind, I would like to see a ban on the 30 days
    or so of explosives being discharged daily.
    There is little to celebrate.

    Pay attention. The original purpose of a *gimbal* was to keep the
    compass level.

    The person the desperadoes were trying to blow up was the King.
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  14. In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    No Bill, the original purpose was to celebrate the apprehending of a
    group of desperadoes who tried to blow up parliament.

    What am I missing ? ....:-)
    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

  15. Simon Caldwell said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I particularly like the one of the sparkler.

    Are you alluding to my brother acting as a rocket launcher, or
    perhaps the one above it? There is no sparkler.

    The one above it, which I had (wrongly it seems) taken to be someone
    making circles with a sparkler. So what was it then?

    It was one of those spinning thingies attached to a tree, the same one
    as in the previous pic. For that photo I moved my camera around in a
    circular motion.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  16. In article <[email hidden]>, Michael S
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Which is why you should get a model release, regardless of whether the
    person(s) is/are identifiable. Advertising photo buyers will rarely
    touch a photo featuring people if it isn't model-released. It's not
    worth the risk of somebody claiming (and proving) that the person is
    them, and that they disagree with their image being used to advertise
    product X. Your brother is hardly going to try and stitch you up, but
    buyers don't know he's your brother (or care).

    I don't think Paul's brother is recognisable in this photo and I know
    him.
    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

  17. Darren G said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    what you really need is one of those camera mounts used by film
    crews that give a cushioned, body-mounted support that allow them
    to follow the action and get a smooth shot.

    Hmm... Not entirely sure about that. That's more of a smooth
    movement thing rather than a holding perfectly steady thing, isn't
    it? More useful for video than stills I'd have thought.

    I think you were taking me a little too seriously (& that doesn;t
    happen often)

    Didn't realise how fancy a device this was.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I wonder if an Image
    Stabilisation lens would help?

    Not sure the motor would cope with such a long exposure and the
    slower, wider movements so well. I /think/ it is more designed to
    compensate for minor shakes rather than real movement.

    Probably.

    Quoted message said:

    And it would kill the battery.

    Would it? Damn, hadn't thought of that. Can you switch it off?

    Quoted message said:

    However if you have the cash it would be nice to try :-)

    Sooner or later I plan to get one or two IS lenses.

    Quoted message said:

    I've never really got on with monopods - always found that a v light
    weight tripod is equally as heavy/light but more useful.

    A tripod is certainly more useful, but you're looking at it from the
    wrong point of view. Firstly, my trekking poles serve as monopods (I
    bought the ones with the cork handles that screw off to give you a
    camera thread), so I'm not actually carrying any extra weight, since I'd
    be carrying them anyway. On one occasion I shot a sunrise with three
    cameras, two of which were suspended on my two monopods, jammed into the
    ground and swaying gently in the breeze.

    Secondly, a monopod can be set up and used very quickly, unlike a tripod
    which requires taking off the rucksack, extending the legs etc. Tripods
    are great if you are happy to stop for a while, but a pain in the [censored]
    if you want to keep on the move. Monopods are great for "on the move"
    type shots, I can unscrew the trekking pole handle and screw on the
    camera whilst walking, then stop, take the shot, carry on walking,
    unscrewing as I go. Far more practical for "walking photography" if you
    see what I mean.

    Obviously really long exposures are out of the question, but for
    grabbing shots in bad light it works great. Shutter speeds of say 1/15
    to 1/60, which you often wouldn't want to shoot hand-held (depending on
    focal length of course) work great with a monopod, and often suffice in
    bad light, withouth the hassle of setting up a tripod.

    Of course, I usually carry a tripod as well, an ultralight one at the
    very least (I've been caught without one too often - photographing
    sunsets with a monopod is no joke!). In extreme situations I have
    managed with just a monopod, such as the example above, where I jammed
    the monopod into the lakeside sand of Llyn y Fan Fawr to grab a sunset,
    using a 1 sec exposure with the self timer and mirror lock, hoping it
    wouldn't sway during the shot. On another occasion I've successfully
    photographed a waterfall at 1 sec using an immensely well braced monopod
    (using a practiced sitting/kneeling technique with held in arms,
    downward camera pressure and breath holding) but that's not to be
    recommended for stress-free photography.

    I've taken acceptably sharp pics at 1/8 sec with a wide angle, standing
    upright using an angled monopod (proper one, not trekking pole) between
    arm and body.

    Quoted message said:

    And having
    recently forgotten to take my tripod on holiday with me (I'm sure it
    was in the car when we left but not at the airport) I found that a
    fleece masquerading as a bean bag works quite well!

    Don't like using clothing as bean bags, too bouncy! Okay with a self
    timer I suppose, but I usually like to press the shutter release
    manually with bean bag shots.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  18. W. D. Grey said:

    Pen-y-Fan ?...:-)

    or... The DVLA building.

    With fireworks? I'd be better of faking it...

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  19. W. D. Grey said:

    Definitely - someone will want them for advertising perhaps.

    They're certainly good enough.

    Ta.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  20. Katherine said:

    They would make a nice calendar or a screen saver.

    They'd use up a lot of black ink!

    Screensaver may not be such a bad idea though.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

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