How cold for a Balaclava

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I'm wondering at about what temp you folks decide you need something

like a

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balaclava while riding? Seems like 40 degrees F is enough for me.

My cold weather hierarchy for rides of about 2 hours at 20mph goes
something like this:

< 60º--long sleeved jersey and tights or thin running pants

< 50º--slightly heavier jersey, tights or thin running pants, light
gloves, wool socks, optional head band or skull cap

< 40º--base layer under jersey, tights or base layer under thin running
pants, neoprene gloves, wool socks, skull cap

< 30º--windbreaker, fleece jersey and base layer, neoprene gloves, shoe
covers, running pants with two base layers, thin balaclava.

< 20º--Stay at home, drive, or exercise indoors.

My "hierarchy" is about 20 degrees north of yours.

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Roger Zoul says...

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I'm wondering at about what temp you folks decide you need something

like a

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balaclava while riding? Seems like 40 degrees F is enough for me.

My cold weather hierarchy for rides of about 2 hours at 20mph goes
something like this:

< 60º--long sleeved jersey and tights or thin running pants

< 50º--slightly heavier jersey, tights or thin running pants, light
gloves, wool socks, optional head band or skull cap

< 40º--base layer under jersey, tights or base layer under thin running
pants, neoprene gloves, wool socks, skull cap

< 30º--windbreaker, fleece jersey and base layer, neoprene gloves, shoe
covers, running pants with two base layers, thin balaclava.

< 20º--Stay at home, drive, or exercise indoors.

My "hierarchy" is about 20 degrees north of yours.

And being 6'5" you're at a higher altitude, too! ;-D

-B

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My "hierarchy" is about 20 degrees north of yours.

I was thinking -- man, L/S jersey on a 60 degree day? I'd be *roasting*!

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Claire Petersky says...

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I was thinking -- man, L/S jersey on a 60 degree day? I'd be *roasting*!

No, not 60, less than 60. Think 55 degrees. Remember, I'm talking about
sustained speeds of 20mph or more for 2 hours. It isn't just the air
temperature, but Wind chill. I used to do my rides in the 50s in shorts
and short sleeved shirts. Arms and legs were somewhat numb by the end of
rides.

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Roger Zoul says...

> I'm wondering at about what temp you folks decide you need something

like a

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> balaclava while riding? Seems like 40 degrees F is enough for me.

My cold weather hierarchy for rides of about 2 hours at 20mph goes
something like this:

< 60º--long sleeved jersey and tights or thin running pants

< 50º--slightly heavier jersey, tights or thin running pants, light
gloves, wool socks, optional head band or skull cap

< 40º--base layer under jersey, tights or base layer under thin

running

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pants, neoprene gloves, wool socks, skull cap

< 30º--windbreaker, fleece jersey and base layer, neoprene gloves,

shoe

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covers, running pants with two base layers, thin balaclava.

< 20º--Stay at home, drive, or exercise indoors.

My "hierarchy" is about 20 degrees north of yours.

And being 6'5" you're at a higher altitude, too! ;-D

That's 6'10", but who's counting.

I'll make my standard offer: if you lay off the "tall" jokes, I'll lay off
the "stupid" ones.

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I'm wondering at about what temp you folks decide you need something like

a

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balaclava while riding? Seems like 40 degrees F is enough for me.

I usually wear one any time the temp is below 32 F. If the temp is below
40, it depends on the wind. A 35F day with winds over 15 mph will bring out
the balaclava also.

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"Super Slinky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Roger Zoul says...
>
> > I'm wondering at about what temp you folks decide you need something
like a
> > balaclava while riding? Seems like 40 degrees F is enough for me.
>
> My cold weather hierarchy for rides of about 2 hours at 20mph goes
> something like this:
>
> < 60º--long sleeved jersey and tights or thin running pants
>
> < 50º--slightly heavier jersey, tights or thin running pants, light
> gloves, wool socks, optional head band or skull cap
>
> < 40º--base layer under jersey, tights or base layer under thin

running

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> pants, neoprene gloves, wool socks, skull cap
>
> < 30º--windbreaker, fleece jersey and base layer, neoprene gloves,

shoe

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> covers, running pants with two base layers, thin balaclava.
>
> < 20º--Stay at home, drive, or exercise indoors.

My "hierarchy" is about 20 degrees north of yours.

And being 6'5" you're at a higher altitude, too! ;-D

That's 6'10", but who's counting.

I'll make my standard offer: if you lay off the "tall" jokes, I'll lay off
the "stupid" ones.

You tryin' to sasquatch my attempts at humor? I've yeti to meet such a
sensitive fellow as you, Peter.

I figure you're way too nice to take a shot at such an easy target as moi,
in the 'biking st00pid' realm. ;-D

-B

Peter Cole says...

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My "hierarchy" is about 20 degrees north of yours.

Well, that may be what you like, but I don't think most people would
consider 39º in shorts and a short sleeve shirt to be ideal.

"Badger" <[email hidden]> wrote

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You tryin' to sasquatch my attempts at humor? I've yeti to meet such a
sensitive fellow as you, Peter.

Now see, that's what I mean, someone else might think you were just playing
stupid.

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Peter Cole says...

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My "hierarchy" is about 20 degrees north of yours.

Well, that may be what you like, but I don't think most people would
consider 39º in shorts and a short sleeve shirt to be ideal.

F or C

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Peter Cole says...

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My "hierarchy" is about 20 degrees north of yours.

Well, that may be what you like, but I don't think most people would
consider 39º in shorts and a short sleeve shirt to be ideal.

I think you need to redo the math, sparky.

Peter Cole said:

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Peter Cole says...

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My "hierarchy" is about 20 degrees north of yours.

Well, that may be what you like, but I don't think most people would
consider 39º in shorts and a short sleeve shirt to be ideal.

I think you need to redo the math, sparky.

Maybe others can't keep up with your brobdignagian intellect either, Mr.
Cole. Perhaps we're not even worthy of your alpine condescension.

So, how -does- 'north' equate to temperature?

-B

"Badger" <[email hidden]> snipes anonymously.

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Maybe others can't keep up with your brobdignagian intellect either, Mr.
Cole. Perhaps we're not even worthy of your alpine condescension.

So, how -does- 'north' equate to temperature?

So, you still don't want to lay off the tall cracks...

Ask an Inuit, dimwit.

And try a spell checker.

Peter Cole
www.BiteMe.com

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Maybe others can't keep up with your brobdignagian intellect either, Mr.
Cole. Perhaps we're not even worthy of your alpine condescension.

So, how -does- 'north' equate to temperature?

So, you still don't want to lay off the tall cracks...

Ask an Inuit, dimwit.

And try a spell checker.

Peter Cole
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Peter Cole said:

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Maybe others can't keep up with your brobdignagian intellect either, Mr.
Cole. Perhaps we're not even worthy of your alpine condescension.

So, how -does- 'north' equate to temperature?

So, you still don't want to lay off the tall cracks...

Ask an Inuit, dimwit.

And try a spell checker.

Peter Cole
www.BiteMe.com

I had no idea you were taking this gentle jibing seriously. I apologize.

BTW, there are no misspellings in that post.

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-B

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Maybe others can't keep up with your brobdignagian intellect either,

Mr.

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Cole. Perhaps we're not even worthy of your alpine condescension.

So, how -does- 'north' equate to temperature?

So, you still don't want to lay off the tall cracks...

Ask an Inuit, dimwit.

And try a spell checker.

Peter Cole
www.BiteMe.com

I had no idea you were taking this gentle jibing seriously. I apologize.

Mr. Badger, with a name like that, how could I possibly take you seriously?

I meant "dimwit" in a friendly way, of course. I'm sure you intended your
comments to be taken in the same spirit.

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BTW, there are no misspellings in that post.

http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=condescension&db=roget

It's *Brobdingnagian*. But thanks for the clarification on condescension, I
might have mistaken it for a compliment.

http://www.jaffebros.com/lee/gulliver/bk2/index.html

Peter Cole said:

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> Maybe others can't keep up with your brobdignagian intellect either,

Mr.

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> Cole. Perhaps we're not even worthy of your alpine condescension.
>
> So, how -does- 'north' equate to temperature?

So, you still don't want to lay off the tall cracks...

Ask an Inuit, dimwit.

And try a spell checker.

Peter Cole
www.BiteMe.com

I had no idea you were taking this gentle jibing seriously. I apologize.

Mr. Badger, with a name like that, how could I possibly take you seriously?

I meant "dimwit" in a friendly way, of course. I'm sure you intended your
comments to be taken in the same spirit.

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BTW, there are no misspellings in that post.

http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=condescension&db=roget

It's *Brobdingnagian*. But thanks for the clarification on condescension, I
might have mistaken it for a compliment.

http://www.jaffebros.com/lee/gulliver/bk2/index.html

http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=Brobdingnagian&db=roget

Alternate spelling, Mr Holds A Grudge.

-B
;-)

Peter Cole says...

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I think you need to redo the math, sparky.

OK, you got me there. So it's 40º instead of 39º. Still want to say you
wear shorts when it is 40º?

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Peter Cole says...

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I think you need to redo the math, sparky.

OK, you got me there. So it's 40º instead of 39º. Still want to say you
wear shorts when it is 40º?

I usually wear knickers in the 40's, switch to light tights for 30's, heavy
tights 20's & 10's, sometimes just heavy tights 0's, sometimes with light
warm-ups over if windy.

I have a very thin balaclava (polypro, about t-shirt material weight) which
I don't break out until the 20's. Tops vary, I will have some bare skin in
40's. I usually wear a single layer in 30's with a thin wind vest over.

Peter Cole says...

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I usually wear knickers in the 40's, switch to light tights for 30's, heavy
tights 20's & 10's, sometimes just heavy tights 0's, sometimes with light
warm-ups over if windy.

I have a very thin balaclava (polypro, about t-shirt material weight) which
I don't break out until the 20's. Tops vary, I will have some bare skin in
40's. I usually wear a single layer in 30's with a thin wind vest over.

Doesn't sound much different from what I said. I did a 95min, 28 mile
ride late last night at 25º with about a 9mph wind. I was expecting only
low 30s, but overdressed because this would be the first real cold
weather ride of the year. I wore two base layers and a windbreaker, two
pairs of tights, thick wool socks with neoprene booties, neoprene gloves
and my thin balaclava. I forgot to bring appropriate eye wear for night
riding, so I didn't use any, and that turned out to be the only trouble
spot. My left eye got blurry about a half hour in. Hypothermia of the
eyeball? You learn something new every day. My index fingers felt like
they would freeze for the first half hour, but warmed up nicely after
that. Feet felt OK, but toes were numb when I changed shoes at the end
of the ride. Didn't bother me during the ride.

It turned out that two thin base layers were adequate with a windbreaker
at 25º and two pairs of tights were OK as well, though a third thin
layer wouldn't have hurt there. The coldest part was the ride back home
when I wasn't doing any exercise.