Need some advice (long)

That's just what I've been doing since about February or March. I've been
keeping my calories to around 1200 to 1300, and only recently upped my carbs
from around 30 per day. I'm finding that I'm able to eat a greater variety
of foods and still lose, even though I'm upping my carbs to the higher
level. It's just been my experiment with how to live a 'carb conscious'
lifestyle.

--
Linda
LC since Oct. 13, 2003
296/186/160
http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html
http://community.webshots.com/user/mslewtoo

"Are you telling me there are dead people in my living room watching
videos?"--Nina (Truly, Madly, Deeply)

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Calorie counting with calorie restriction works. However, IMHO, as your
carbs go up, maintaining a calorie restriction will become increasingly
difficult. Diets that try to be popular reject calorie counting, because

it

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is not marketable. Have you considered doing low carb AND restricting
calories at the same time?

"Lady o' the house" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Thanks for your thoughts, Cubit. I am still monitoring my carbs, but

I'm

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introducing whole grains and fruit back into my diet, and I'm gradually
switching to counting calories. My carbs are now between 50-70 daily,

as

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an

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average.

--
Linda
LC since Oct. 13, 2003
296/185/160
http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html
http://community.webshots.com/user/mslewtoo

"Are you telling me there are dead people in my living room watching
videos?"--Nina (Truly, Madly, Deeply)

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I think you got it right in suggesting that lost weight can be thought

of

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as

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a symptom of illness. They may even think that LC is bad for you.

It concerns me, that you are not monitoring carbs.

I recently saw the movie "The Machinist." It shows the results of

losing

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too much weight. At 186, you are not in that danger.

"Lady o' the house" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> Something's been bugging me since coming back from Thanksgiving

dinner

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with
> my family, and I'm not sure how to handle it.
>
> Up until this time, I've gotten so much support from friends and

family

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> about my woe. While some friends voiced their skepticism in the
beginning,
> they now see proof that low carb has really been good for me.
>
> So, at Thanksgiving at my brother and sil's home, we were getting

read

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to

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> leave and my dad, who BTW suffers from heart disease (2 heart

attacks

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and

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a
> quadruple bypass) and is an insulin-dependent diabetic, put his arms
around
> me, looked me in the eye, and said that I should stop losing weight.

Mom

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> echoed his remark. I was so taken aback! Everyone else there told

me

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how

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> great I looked, but I get the impression that my parents think I

DON'T

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look
> that good. (At dinner that night, I did allow myself about a half

cup

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of

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> dressing, some sweet potato, along with turkey and the other low

carb

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stuff
> on the buffet, and a couple of bites of pie---didn't like the pie

because

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it
> was TOO sweet! So noone can say that I was being obsessive at

dinner!)

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>
> DH tried to explain it to me that my dad has lost a lot of weight

since

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> becoming diabetic and suffering from heart disease. He said that

Dad

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may

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> equate weight loss with poor health. DH also offered that maybe

they

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feel

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> I'm becoming obsessed with it (I do use Fitday pretty religiously to

keep

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> track of what I've eaten, but I don't feel that makes it an

obsession.)

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I

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> have been sharing my weight loss progress with my parents when we

talk

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on

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> the phone, but that's only because after years of being obese I'm so
excited
> to see results and to feel better.
>
> So, lately I'm not watching carbs so much, but I am keeping my

calories

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to

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> an average of between 1200 and 1300. I guess that I'll keep this

up,

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> privately, and not mention anything more about it. I still want to

reach

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my
> original goal of 160. Has anyone else experienced anything like

this?

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>
> --
> Linda
> LC since Oct. 13, 2003
> 296/186/160
> http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html
> http://community.webshots.com/user/mslewtoo
>
> "Are you telling me there are dead people in my living room watching
> videos?"--Nina (Truly, Madly, Deeply)
>
>

JC Der Koenig said:

At 186, you're not that thin yet. It probably just looks like you've lost a
lot to your parents when compared to where you started. They most likely
mean well, but you have to decide whether you have the will to break with
the past. And yes, when I get down to lower bodyfat percentages, I get
comments. I just chalk them up to lack of education.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

Shut up

Shut me up.

--
Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

"Will Ganger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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JC Der Koenig said:

At 186, you're not that thin yet. It probably just looks like you've lost
a
lot to your parents when compared to where you started. They most likely
mean well, but you have to decide whether you have the will to break with
the past. And yes, when I get down to lower bodyfat percentages, I get
comments. I just chalk them up to lack of education.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

Shut up

"Nancy J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Lady o' the house" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Something's been bugging me since coming back from Thanksgiving dinner
with
my family, and I'm not sure how to handle it.

Up until this time, I've gotten so much support from friends and family
about my woe. While some friends voiced their skepticism in the
beginning,
they now see proof that low carb has really been good for me.

So, at Thanksgiving at my brother and sil's home, we were getting ready
to
leave and my dad, who BTW suffers from heart disease (2 heart attacks and
a
quadruple bypass) and is an insulin-dependent diabetic, put his arms
around
me, looked me in the eye, and said that I should stop losing weight. Mom
echoed his remark. I was so taken aback! Everyone else there told me
how
great I looked, but I get the impression that my parents think I DON'T
look
that good. (At dinner that night, I did allow myself about a half cup of
dressing, some sweet potato, along with turkey and the other low carb
stuff
on the buffet, and a couple of bites of pie---didn't like the pie because
it
was TOO sweet! So noone can say that I was being obsessive at dinner!)

DH tried to explain it to me that my dad has lost a lot of weight since
becoming diabetic and suffering from heart disease. He said that Dad may
equate weight loss with poor health. DH also offered that maybe they
feel
I'm becoming obsessed with it (I do use Fitday pretty religiously to keep
track of what I've eaten, but I don't feel that makes it an obsession.)
I
have been sharing my weight loss progress with my parents when we talk on
the phone, but that's only because after years of being obese I'm so
excited
to see results and to feel better.

So, lately I'm not watching carbs so much, but I am keeping my calories
to
an average of between 1200 and 1300. I guess that I'll keep this up,
privately, and not mention anything more about it. I still want to reach
my
original goal of 160. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

--
Linda
LC since Oct. 13, 2003
296/186/160
http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html
http://community.webshots.com/user/mslewtoo

"Are you telling me there are dead people in my living room watching
videos?"--Nina (Truly, Madly, Deeply)

I've experienced the same thing from several people, mostly family. One
female relative has accused me face to face of changing my personality
after a 58 pound weight loss. That's probably true🙂 I walk with my head
up, laugh out loud more often and generally am having a great time, self
confidant. I really didn't feel good about myself when I was fat. The
other day a saleslady steered me away from a sweater I liked because it
was a plus size. Ain't life grand? Oh, I also have a formerly slim sister
that acts a little colder towards me and a skinny sister that acts like
nothing happened. As far as what people are motivated by, my hubby thinks
it's a lot of jealousy. Love that man! BTW, mom thinks I look like I'm not
feeling well. I think she was just used to me being chubby. FTR, she has
always been thin and has had 2 by pass surgeries (8 arteries!).

Nancy J
from a size 22 to a 12

There can be a lot of complications, I think, when you lose weight.

You have changed yourself. Nobody much around you has done that.

It's hard for people to see changes. Think about it, it's hard for someone
to lose weight and accept that it happened. I still can't see myself as
someone who lost weight, I see myself as a fat guy even though I am no
longer fat. The attitude takes awhile to adjust.

We get there, but we don't need to listen to [censored] from others. What I hear
mostly is that "you are going to blow away" and I love it. And I'm still
low-carbing. Will all my life.

Peanut butter is not low carb... Thanks for the wonderful times.

JC Der Koenig said:

Shut me up.

The body has its own schedule for dropping weight. Your 7.6 pounds lost in
October was more than one might expect to lose. It makes sense that the
following month would have a lower loss, in this case 3 pounds. You are
doing great. IMHO: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

"Lady o' the house" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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That's just what I've been doing since about February or March. I've been
keeping my calories to around 1200 to 1300, and only recently upped my

carbs

Quoted message said:

from around 30 per day. I'm finding that I'm able to eat a greater

variety

Quoted message said:

of foods and still lose, even though I'm upping my carbs to the higher
level. It's just been my experiment with how to live a 'carb conscious'
lifestyle.

--
Linda
LC since Oct. 13, 2003
296/186/160
http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html
http://community.webshots.com/user/mslewtoo

"Are you telling me there are dead people in my living room watching
videos?"--Nina (Truly, Madly, Deeply)

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Calorie counting with calorie restriction works. However, IMHO, as your
carbs go up, maintaining a calorie restriction will become increasingly
difficult. Diets that try to be popular reject calorie counting,

because

Quoted message said:

it

Quoted message said:

is not marketable. Have you considered doing low carb AND restricting
calories at the same time?

"Lady o' the house" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Thanks for your thoughts, Cubit. I am still monitoring my carbs, but

I'm

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Quoted message said:

introducing whole grains and fruit back into my diet, and I'm

gradually

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switching to counting calories. My carbs are now between 50-70 daily,

as

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an

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average.

--
Linda
LC since Oct. 13, 2003
296/185/160
http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html
http://community.webshots.com/user/mslewtoo

"Are you telling me there are dead people in my living room watching
videos?"--Nina (Truly, Madly, Deeply)

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I think you got it right in suggesting that lost weight can be

thought

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of

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as
> a symptom of illness. They may even think that LC is bad for you.
>
> It concerns me, that you are not monitoring carbs.
>
> I recently saw the movie "The Machinist." It shows the results of

losing

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> too much weight. At 186, you are not in that danger.
>
>
> "Lady o' the house" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> >
> > Something's been bugging me since coming back from Thanksgiving

dinner

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> with
> > my family, and I'm not sure how to handle it.
> >
> > Up until this time, I've gotten so much support from friends and

family

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> > about my woe. While some friends voiced their skepticism in the
> beginning,
> > they now see proof that low carb has really been good for me.
> >
> > So, at Thanksgiving at my brother and sil's home, we were getting

read

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y

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to
> > leave and my dad, who BTW suffers from heart disease (2 heart

attacks

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and
> a
> > quadruple bypass) and is an insulin-dependent diabetic, put his

arms

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> around
> > me, looked me in the eye, and said that I should stop losing

weight.

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Mom
> > echoed his remark. I was so taken aback! Everyone else there

told

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me

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how
> > great I looked, but I get the impression that my parents think I

DON'T

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> look
> > that good. (At dinner that night, I did allow myself about a half

cup

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of
> > dressing, some sweet potato, along with turkey and the other low

carb

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> stuff
> > on the buffet, and a couple of bites of pie---didn't like the pie
because
> it
> > was TOO sweet! So noone can say that I was being obsessive at

dinner!)

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> >
> > DH tried to explain it to me that my dad has lost a lot of weight

since

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> > becoming diabetic and suffering from heart disease. He said that

Dad

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may
> > equate weight loss with poor health. DH also offered that maybe

they

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feel
> > I'm becoming obsessed with it (I do use Fitday pretty religiously

to

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keep
> > track of what I've eaten, but I don't feel that makes it an

obsession.)

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I
> > have been sharing my weight loss progress with my parents when we

talk

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on
> > the phone, but that's only because after years of being obese I'm

so

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> excited
> > to see results and to feel better.
> >
> > So, lately I'm not watching carbs so much, but I am keeping my

calories

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to
> > an average of between 1200 and 1300. I guess that I'll keep this

up,

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> > privately, and not mention anything more about it. I still want

to

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reach
> my
> > original goal of 160. Has anyone else experienced anything like

this?

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> >
> > --
> > Linda
> > LC since Oct. 13, 2003
> > 296/186/160
> > http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/mslewtoo
> >
> > "Are you telling me there are dead people in my living room

watching

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> > videos?"--Nina (Truly, Madly, Deeply)
> >
> >
>
>

Sure. I get it quite a bit. You are at 186 from a huge 296. People are
still not used to seeing you are that weight probably. That is a lot of
weight loss. I think you should get to goal or closer. It is sometimes
shocking to people to see someone lose half their body.

Now, maybe your dad and mom were giving you a compliment? Maybe it was
their way of saying you look great and don't need to lose more. Something
to chew on.

Keep going until you are happy. You know what you look like without all
those clothes on and you most likely know how much you should weigh.

Take care,
Curt
--
211/189/180. . 6'2"
Age 39
Highest weight 250 5+ years ago

"Lady o' the house" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Something's been bugging me since coming back from Thanksgiving dinner

with

Quoted message said:

my family, and I'm not sure how to handle it.

Up until this time, I've gotten so much support from friends and family
about my woe. While some friends voiced their skepticism in the

beginning,

Quoted message said:

they now see proof that low carb has really been good for me.

So, at Thanksgiving at my brother and sil's home, we were getting ready to
leave and my dad, who BTW suffers from heart disease (2 heart attacks and

a

Quoted message said:

quadruple bypass) and is an insulin-dependent diabetic, put his arms

around

Quoted message said:

me, looked me in the eye, and said that I should stop losing weight. Mom
echoed his remark. I was so taken aback! Everyone else there told me how
great I looked, but I get the impression that my parents think I DON'T

look

Quoted message said:

that good. (At dinner that night, I did allow myself about a half cup of
dressing, some sweet potato, along with turkey and the other low carb

stuff

Quoted message said:

on the buffet, and a couple of bites of pie---didn't like the pie because

it

Quoted message said:

was TOO sweet! So noone can say that I was being obsessive at dinner!)

DH tried to explain it to me that my dad has lost a lot of weight since
becoming diabetic and suffering from heart disease. He said that Dad may
equate weight loss with poor health. DH also offered that maybe they feel
I'm becoming obsessed with it (I do use Fitday pretty religiously to keep
track of what I've eaten, but I don't feel that makes it an obsession.) I
have been sharing my weight loss progress with my parents when we talk on
the phone, but that's only because after years of being obese I'm so

excited

Quoted message said:

to see results and to feel better.

So, lately I'm not watching carbs so much, but I am keeping my calories to
an average of between 1200 and 1300. I guess that I'll keep this up,
privately, and not mention anything more about it. I still want to reach

my

Quoted message said:

original goal of 160. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

--
Linda
LC since Oct. 13, 2003
296/186/160
http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html
http://community.webshots.com/user/mslewtoo

"Are you telling me there are dead people in my living room watching
videos?"--Nina (Truly, Madly, Deeply)

Cubit said:

The body has its own schedule for dropping weight.

The body has no schedule for losing weight.

My feeling is that your parents remarks are emotional issues and not factual!
They might just be saying "please dont change too much!" which could mean they
are afraid of losing their closeness with you
if you continue to lose weight.
Its another perspective since its hard to figure out why they wouldnt want you
to be healthier.
Victoria
from beautiful El Granada

The context is restricted calories. If there really is a current calorie
deficit, The body will drop the weight. However, it may happen tomorrow, it
may happen 4 weeks from now, or it may happen 6 weeks from now. The long
delays between effective dieting and the reward on the bathroom scale are
one of the reasons people fail. One cannot predict what the body's
"schedule" for dropping the weight will be. In my body the lag seems to be
about 3 weeks. In another week, I expect to see terrible results due to my
eating at Thanksgiving.

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cubit said:

The body has its own schedule for dropping weight.

The body has no schedule for losing weight.

Cubit said:

The context is restricted calories. If there really is a current calorie
deficit, The body will drop the weight. However, it may happen tomorrow, it
may happen 4 weeks from now, or it may happen 6 weeks from now. The long
delays between effective dieting and the reward on the bathroom scale are
one of the reasons people fail. One cannot predict what the body's
"schedule" for dropping the weight will be. In my body the lag seems to be
about 3 weeks. In another week, I expect to see terrible results due to my
eating at Thanksgiving.

The body has no schedule for losing weight. We agree.

The body has a schedule, but the dieter does not know what the schedule is.

The context is important to the assertion.

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cubit said:

The context is restricted calories. If there really is a current

calorie

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

deficit, The body will drop the weight. However, it may happen

tomorrow, it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

may happen 4 weeks from now, or it may happen 6 weeks from now. The

long

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

delays between effective dieting and the reward on the bathroom scale

are

Quoted message said:

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one of the reasons people fail. One cannot predict what the body's
"schedule" for dropping the weight will be. In my body the lag seems to

be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

about 3 weeks. In another week, I expect to see terrible results due to

my

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eating at Thanksgiving.

The body has no schedule for losing weight. We agree.

Cubit said:

The body has a schedule,

Indeterminate.

Are you the 2 pounds of food per day nut?

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cubit said:

The body has a schedule,

Indeterminate.

Cubit said:

Are you the 2 pounds of food per day nut?

No. Are you?

MU said:

Cubit said:

Are you the 2 pounds of food per day nut?

No. Are you?

Mu is his disciple.

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Lady o' the house said:

Something's been bugging me since coming back from Thanksgiving dinner with
my family, and I'm not sure how to handle it.

Up until this time, I've gotten so much support from friends and family
about my woe. While some friends voiced their skepticism in the beginning,
they now see proof that low carb has really been good for me.

So, at Thanksgiving at my brother and sil's home, we were getting ready to
leave and my dad, who BTW suffers from heart disease (2 heart attacks and a
quadruple bypass) and is an insulin-dependent diabetic, put his arms around
me, looked me in the eye, and said that I should stop losing weight. Mom
echoed his remark. I was so taken aback! Everyone else there told me how
great I looked, but I get the impression that my parents think I DON'T look
that good. (At dinner that night, I did allow myself about a half cup of
dressing, some sweet potato, along with turkey and the other low carb stuff
on the buffet, and a couple of bites of pie---didn't like the pie because it
was TOO sweet! So noone can say that I was being obsessive at dinner!)

DH tried to explain it to me that my dad has lost a lot of weight since
becoming diabetic and suffering from heart disease. He said that Dad may
equate weight loss with poor health. DH also offered that maybe they feel
I'm becoming obsessed with it (I do use Fitday pretty religiously to keep
track of what I've eaten, but I don't feel that makes it an obsession.) I
have been sharing my weight loss progress with my parents when we talk on
the phone, but that's only because after years of being obese I'm so excited
to see results and to feel better.

So, lately I'm not watching carbs so much, but I am keeping my calories to
an average of between 1200 and 1300. I guess that I'll keep this up,
privately, and not mention anything more about it. I still want to reach my
original goal of 160. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

Yes indeed. Just last weekend my mother and sister both told me that I
needed to get off Atkins and stop losing weight. They said that all I
needed now was toning and that I had not been well since I have been
on the diet.
My sister is quite obese although my mother is within normal range,
both of them have had problems with weight all their lives.

--
yuluwirri
~~~~~~~
Fish know.
~~~~~~~

[email hidden]

Bob in CT said:

Mu is his disciple.

Christ's disciple, Chung's friend, co-author and compatriot.

I'm still trying to figure out why, but in the meantime, I'm staying the
course. I'm just not advertising it anymore. WE know how much better we
feel and how much better off we are!

The school nurse, who has known me through 'thick and thin,' so to speak,
just complimented me again today on my success. She tells me that I look
great. She's an older lady, who originally I would have suspected to be
critical of low carb diets. But she's been very supportive the entire time.

--
Linda
LC since Oct. 13, 2003
296/185/160
http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html
http://community.webshots.com/user/mslewtoo

"Are you telling me there are dead people in my living room watching
videos?"--Nina (Truly, Madly, Deeply)

"yuluwirri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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x-no-archive: yes

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 23:17:19 GMT, "Lady o' the house"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

(snipped)

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Yes indeed. Just last weekend my mother and sister both told me that I
needed to get off Atkins and stop losing weight. They said that all I
needed now was toning and that I had not been well since I have been
on the diet.
My sister is quite obese although my mother is within normal range,
both of them have had problems with weight all their lives.

--
yuluwirri
~~~~~~~
Fish know.
~~~~~~~

[email hidden]

MU said:

Cubit said:

The body has its own schedule for dropping weight.

The body has no schedule for losing weight.

Well, you have to start up the weight loss engine, but I agree with
Cubit, the body may lose faster or slower, at its own rate, despite our
best intentions........