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  1. Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
    ||| Don't buy clothes in a bike shop....You'll pay full price. Go to
    ||| www.performancebike.com. I'm sure you can find something no so
    ||| expensive. Don't buy for looks, but for comfort! A nice pair of
    ||| riding shorts will increase your chances of having fun and that
    ||| means you'll get more exercise.
    ||
    || You pay "full price" at Performance too, unless you're negotiating
    || something off whatever the price is listed at (which generally isn't
    || the way they do business). I assume what you mean is that you'll pay
    || less at Performance, but this isn't always the case either. We sell
    || $30 shorts and $35 jerseys, but they're not nearly as popular as the
    || more-expensive offerings. Part of this comes from how things are
    || sold; at a Performance shop, customers often buy based on price
    || first, features second. At a bicycle shop, the salesperson is going
    || to (hopefully) spend the time to explain the different features of
    || the various shorts, and this will often result in someone buying a
    || more expensive item because the benefits make sense to them. I know,
    || evil salesperson tactic, explaining why something might be better
    || than something else.
    ||
    || There's room for both types of retailers. The Performance customer
    || may prefer learning what they can from a catalog or display rather
    || than talking with a salesperson. Nothing whatsoever wrong with that.
    || And the local bike shop customer may want a bit more personal
    || attention than afforded by a catalog outlet.
    ||
    || Obviously, things aren't always so cut-and-dry. There are local
    || bicycle shops that may have very unfriendly or unhelpful (there *is*
    || a difference) staffs, and there may be catalog outlets with
    || exemplary employees. Regardless, I (with obvious bias) disagree with
    || your statement "Don't buy clothes in a bike shop...."

    I hear you. However, in my case, many of the clothing items I've bought at
    the LBS would have been much cheaper if I had bought them online. Now, the
    exception to this would have been at the very beginning. The lady who sold
    me my bike steered me clear of the cycling shorts with the gel padding. I
    think I appreciate that advice at this point, and am happy to have spent
    money there on that item. Certainly, the bike rack I bought there was also
    a good purchase, since I needed to make sure it would fit my car. Online
    was simply not an option there, either. There have been a few other
    situations where I picked some clothing items up there, but generally I was
    paying a lot more that otherwise for the same item (I've catch them pricing
    above retail, too). Still, I was happy to spend that money bacause the shop
    was there to fix my bike for free two saturdays ago when I crashed and had
    my left shifter move inward on the handle bar. I needed it addressed quickly
    and they were happy to do so.

    But yes, I did mean you'll generally pay less at the LBS for the same item
    you could buy online. Clearly, it is definitely sometimes worth it to pay
    more at the LBS.

  2. RonSonic wrote:
    || On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:23:42 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
    || <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ||
    ||| [email hidden] wrote:
    ||||| Well this ignorant woman will keep riding but not with those
    ||||| clothes.
    ||||| I raised three kids. All in sports of some kind...including
    ||||| dancing
    ||||| lessons & gymnastics. When a kid is a pre-schooler they don't need
    ||||| fancy outfits to take lessons. You can dance, do gymnastics, and
    ||||| train without expensive clothes. You can do anything you have the
    ||||| passion for without expensive clothes. Not all children are from
    ||||| well to do families. I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my
    ||||| mouth
    ||||| and I took tap lessons without tap shoes until my mother could
    ||||| afford them. And guess what...I actually learned to dance. My
    ||||| adult
    ||||| kids now snowboard, ski, and skydive. My avid snowboarding son
    ||||| wants equipment and a new board for Christmas. It's a nightmare
    ||||| going into
    ||||| the ski shop. I understand he needs warmth and insulated gear to
    ||||| keep from freezing to death, but until I ride 200 miles at a clip
    ||||| I
    ||||| will never understand the bicycle clothes. If I can't ride a
    ||||| bike
    ||||| without paying 100.00 dollars for a jersey something is wrong. How
    ||||| the heck do poor people ride bikes? Those clothes are way too
    ||||| expensive. Only people with money to waste buy that stuff. And
    ||||| only
    ||||| people with money spend thousands on bikes. So I guess Cycling is
    ||||| for the elite. Not those who actually need a bike to get places
    ||||| because they can't afford a car. If you like those jerseys and
    ||||| spandex and you can afford it........Go for it. Its your choice.
    ||||| I
    ||||| just gave my opinion. Ignorant as it was. ;-)
    |||
    ||| The really sad part of this is that attempts to educate you don't
    ||| seem to
    ||| help your ignorance. So perhaps your issue isn't simply
    ||| ignorance....there are worse things, you know.
    ||
    || Dude, you missed the important part of that whole thing: "until I
    || ride 200 miles at a clip I will never understand the bicycle
    || clothes."
    ||
    || When she goes 100 miles at a time, or even 60, she will understand.
    ||
    || Face it, the stuff doesn't make sense for half-hour rides.
    ||

    She'll understand at 25 miles.

  3. Pat said:

    :
    : Reminds me of one of my favorite Churchill stories. The British Prime
    Minister
    : was at a dinner when a woman next to him remarked about his weight. He
    is said
    : to have replied" " I could go on a diet tomorrow, but you Madam would
    remain
    : ugly and stupid."

    I went all over looking for this quote. Could not find it as a Churchill
    quote. Can you give a citation?

    Pat in TX

    You're probably looking for this one. Apparently Churchill never actually
    said it, but that doesn't stop anyone from quoting him ...

    http://www.bartleby.com/73/2004.html

    Respectfully Quoted: A Dictionary of Quotations.  1989.

    NUMBER: 2004

    AUTHOR: False story by George Thayer

    QUOTATION:

    Lady Nancy Astor:  If I were your wife I'd put poison in your coffee.

    Winston Churchill:  If I were your husband I'd drink it.

    ATTRIBUTION:

    Exchange described as a false story by George Thayer in a review of a book
    about Churchill. -- The Washington Post, April 27, 1971, p. B6.

    Thayer spent a year as research assistant to Randolph Churchill on the
    biography of his father, Sir Winston Churchill. Another story Thayer
    declared false has Lady Astor reproaching Churchill, "Winston, you are
    drunk," to which he replied, "Indeed, Madam, and you are ugly -- but
    tomorrow I'll be sober."

    SUBJECTS:

    Wives

  4. Mike Jacoubowsky said:


    Obviously, things aren't always so cut-and-dry. There are local bicycle
    shops that may have very unfriendly or unhelpful (there *is* a difference)
    staffs, and there may be catalog outlets with exemplary employees.
    Regardless, I (with obvious bias) disagree with your statement "Don't buy
    clothes in a bike shop...."

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    Mike, I do agree that you often get what you pay for, but a smart
    shopper can get both quality and price.
    This summer I bought a number of items from Performance, all on sale,
    all with an extra 20% off and then 10% towards my next purchase. I got
    $45 jerseys marked down, and then the above for $16. I paid $36 for
    the $79 retail priced Triflex tights. So for someone on a budget, if
    diligent, deals can be had.
    My LBS all have very limited selections.

    Life is Good!
    Jeff

  5. Pat said:

    She doesn't need "racer's
    kit" but she does need some padded pants and maybe a shirt with pockets in
    the back. Oh yeah, she COULD wear jeans and a tee shirt for that 25 mile
    ride, but we both know she wouldn't exactly be comfortable-

    I regularly ride 22.5 miles in regular shorts and a tee-shirt and am
    perfectly comfortable.

    Rich

  6. Quoted message said:

    I see these older guys with those queery looking flat helmets, all the creepy
    colored garbage they wear. I just wear jeans and a shirt. None of that faggit
    trash for me.

    Sniff... sniff... yes, there it is! The unmistakeable, fetid odour of
    trollsh*t!

    Cheers, helen s

    --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam--
    to get correct one remove fame & fortune
    h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$

    --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off--

  7. Quoted message said:

    Mike, I do agree that you often get what you pay for, but a smart
    shopper can get both quality and price.
    This summer I bought a number of items from Performance, all on sale,
    all with an extra 20% off and then 10% towards my next purchase. I got
    $45 jerseys marked down, and then the above for $16. I paid $36 for
    the $79 retail priced Triflex tights. So for someone on a budget, if
    diligent, deals can be had.
    My LBS all have very limited selections.

    But, some local bike shops make a point of getting manufacturer's closeouts
    as well. We'll generally have a selection of almost-current jerseys that
    were closed out by (insert famous name manufacturer) for 35-70% off.
    However, it's actually rather frustrating that most of our customers bypass
    the closeouts entirely, largely because that's not how they've been
    "trained" to shop at an LBS. A lot of it has to do with perceptions that we
    get trapped into, both as retailers and consumers. Having said that, it
    still bugs me no end when a manufacturer blows out merchandise to a
    mail-order outlet without ever offering it to the LBS.

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

  8. Quoted message said:

    I don't know about you, but my ears are tired of hearing from B(?)B....or
    is
    it my eyes?

    Anyway, just tired.

    Thankfully, the cure is obvious- a good bike ride can make just about
    everything bad & wrong with the world go away. At least for a couple hours
    anyway. And assuming you're not so geeked out that you have a usenet
    connection while riding!

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

  9. Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:11:57 -0600, <[email hidden]>,

    Pat said:

    She doesn't need "racer's
    kit" but she does need some padded pants and maybe a shirt with pockets in
    the back. Oh yeah, she COULD wear jeans and a tee shirt for that 25 mile
    ride, but we both know she wouldn't exactly be comfortable---and she might
    quit because she was chafed or rubbed raw by her clothes.

    She could wear her velour pajamas over padded liners for a supported
    25 mile fair-weather ride. Lots of people do. They carry their cell
    phone, make-up, credit cards and spare diaper in the handlebar bag.

    There are also a fair number of them carrying that same stuff in their
    jersey pockets.

    Some commuters ride in their street clothes, others in their undies.
    It depends on what they want from their cycling.
    --
    zk

  10. Quoted message said:


    She'll understand at 25 miles.

    Indeed she will - if she does any. I wear cycling shorts underneath my
    Bikesters. Cycling shorts perform a useful function no matter how long or short
    a ride is - they keep the [censored] comfortable. Nor do you have to pay a fortune
    for decent stuff. This less than ignorant mother shops around to get the best
    value she can to make whatever task she is doing as easy as possible.

    Cheers, helen s

    --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam--
    to get correct one remove fame & fortune
    h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$

    --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off--

  11. You really don't like me do you Jeff??. Thats ok....I think you are a
    nice guy.
    ;-) I just have opinions....and they may change. I try to keep an open
    mind. As a hippie I guess I did fail. I wore faded jeans, t-shirts and
    sneakers with holes in the toes. Nothing colorful....just old.
    Hippie was not "clothes" it was a way of life. There is no uniform for
    a way of life. It is in the heart.

    Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole
    truth, or the only truth.
    Charles A. Dana

  12. What does a troll smell like? What the hell is a troll anyway? Thanks
    for calling me subtle though......It's a first. ;-) This newsgroup
    is giving me more and more reason to continue riding. Thank you for
    that. The encouragement and the criticism keep me on that bike.
    Especially the people who believe I will fail. I hope someone from this
    newsgroup is from Jersey and will be at the MS ride. I wonder if I will
    show up in lycra?

    I have faith in me, even if this newsgroup doesn't. That is all that
    matters.

  13. Quoted message said:

    Bike clothing *is* expensive and not necessary for many riders. If you
    cycle hard enough to perspire a lot, you'll find wicking synthetics dry out
    faster than natural fibers, but polyester is polyester, there's plenty of
    inexpensive synthetic clothes that work fine. Cycling jackets are usually
    only slightly modified $15 windbreakers sold for $90.

    Big deal, I have a few wicking T-shirts from Nashbar that work fine.
    There is nor reason to wear a jersey, it just makes you look like a clown.

  14. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Faggit Helmets
    From: "Pat" [email hidden]
    Date: 12/9/2004 6:23 PM US Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    : Well this ignorant woman will keep riding but not with those clothes.
    <snip>: he needs warmth and insulated gear to keep from freezing to death,
    but
    : until I ride 200 miles at a clip I will never understand the bicycle
    : clothes.

    You WILL understand why people wear bicycle clothes if you ever get to that
    25 mile point you are training fo

    Oh bull. Padded shorts are nice, but if your bike fits you and you have the
    right seat, you can easily ride in sweats. I've seen people do centuries in
    cutoff army pants.
    You're the one who doesn't seem like you ride much.

  15. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Faggit Helmets
    From: "Mike Jacoubowsky" [email hidden]
    Date: 12/9/2004 11:06 PM US Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Don't buy clothes in a bike shop....You'll pay full price. Go to
    www.performancebike.com. I'm sure you can find something no so expensive.
    Don't buy for looks, but for comfort! A nice pair of riding shorts will
    increase your chances of having fun and that means you'll get more
    exercise.

    You pay "full price" at Performance too, unless you're negotiating something
    off whatever the price is listed at (which generally isn't the way they do
    business). I assume what you mean is that you'll pay less at Performance,
    but this isn't always the case either. We sell $30 shorts and $35 jerseys,
    but they're not nearly as popular as the more-expensive offerings. Part of
    this comes from how things are sold; at a Performance shop, customers often
    buy based on price first, features second. At a bicycle shop, the
    salesperson is going to (hopefully) spend the time to explain the different
    features of the various shorts, and this will often result in someone buying
    a more expensive item because the benefits make sense to them. I know, evil
    salesperson tactic, explaining why something might be better than something
    else.

    There's room for both types of retailers. The Performance customer may
    prefer learning what they can from a catalog or display rather than talking
    with a salesperson. Nothing whatsoever wrong with that. And the local bike
    shop customer may want a bit more personal attention than afforded by a
    catalog outlet.

    Obviously, things aren't always so cut-and-dry. There are local bicycle
    shops that may have very unfriendly or unhelpful (there *is* a difference)
    staffs, and there may be catalog outlets with exemplary employees.
    Regardless, I (with obvious bias) disagree with your statement "Don't buy
    clothes in a bike shop...."

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

    Obviously you've never seen the sales at Nashbar...they have cannondale stuff
    half off all the time, and their in house brand is VERY inexpensive, but a good
    value

  16. Rich wrote:
    || Pat wrote:
    || > She doesn't need "racer's
    ||| kit" but she does need some padded pants and maybe a shirt with
    ||| pockets in the back. Oh yeah, she COULD wear jeans and a tee shirt
    ||| for that 25 mile ride, but we both know she wouldn't exactly be
    ||| comfortable-
    ||
    || I regularly ride 22.5 miles in regular shorts and a tee-shirt and am
    || perfectly comfortable.
    ||
    || Rich

    "I regularly ride" means that you've already got a tough butt. 🙂

  17. Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
    ||| Mike, I do agree that you often get what you pay for, but a smart
    ||| shopper can get both quality and price.
    ||| This summer I bought a number of items from Performance, all on
    ||| sale, all with an extra 20% off and then 10% towards my next
    ||| purchase. I got $45 jerseys marked down, and then the above for
    ||| $16. I paid $36 for
    ||| the $79 retail priced Triflex tights. So for someone on a budget, if
    ||| diligent, deals can be had.
    ||| My LBS all have very limited selections.
    ||
    || But, some local bike shops make a point of getting manufacturer's
    || closeouts as well. We'll generally have a selection of
    || almost-current jerseys that were closed out by (insert famous name
    || manufacturer) for 35-70% off. However, it's actually rather
    || frustrating that most of our customers bypass the closeouts
    || entirely, largely because that's not how they've been "trained" to
    || shop at an LBS. A lot of it has to do with perceptions that we get
    || trapped into, both as retailers and consumers. Having said that, it
    || still bugs me no end when a manufacturer blows out merchandise to a
    || mail-order outlet without ever offering it to the LBS.

    I wish you were my LBS. Seriously.

  18. I live in a town called "Nutley".....does that explain it. ;-)
    And whats wrong with manual labor people? You are correct, as of yet I
    do not understand elite level cycling. Perhaps I never will. But I
    understand that its fun to ride my bike. Isn't that enough? Boy I
    should have kept my opinion concerning Bicycle clothing to myself. I
    didn't know it was such a sensitive topic.
    Be nice Fabrizio or I will beat you over the head with my Gucci purse.

  19. [email hidden] wrote:
    || What does a troll smell like? What the hell is a troll anyway?
    || Thanks for calling me subtle though......It's a first. ;-) This
    || newsgroup is giving me more and more reason to continue riding.
    || Thank you for that. The encouragement and the criticism keep me on
    || that bike. Especially the people who believe I will fail. I hope
    || someone from this newsgroup is from Jersey and will be at the MS
    || ride. I wonder if I will show up in lycra?

    When you show up in lycra, it will be time for you to leave, grasshopper.

    ||
    || I have faith in me, even if this newsgroup doesn't. That is all that
    || matters.

    True.

  20. Fx199 wrote:
    ||| Subject: Re: Faggit Helmets
    ||| From: "Mike Jacoubowsky" [email hidden]
    ||| Date: 12/9/2004 11:06 PM US Eastern Standard Time
    ||| Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    |||
    |||| Don't buy clothes in a bike shop....You'll pay full price. Go to
    |||| www.performancebike.com. I'm sure you can find something no so
    |||| expensive. Don't buy for looks, but for comfort! A nice pair of
    |||| riding shorts will increase your chances of having fun and that
    |||| means you'll get more exercise.
    |||
    ||| You pay "full price" at Performance too, unless you're negotiating
    ||| something off whatever the price is listed at (which generally
    ||| isn't the way they do business). I assume what you mean is that
    ||| you'll pay less at Performance,
    ||| but this isn't always the case either. We sell $30 shorts and $35
    ||| jerseys, but they're not nearly as popular as the more-expensive
    ||| offerings. Part of this comes from how things are sold; at a
    ||| Performance shop, customers often buy based on price first,
    ||| features second. At a bicycle shop, the
    ||| salesperson is going to (hopefully) spend the time to explain the
    ||| different features of the various shorts, and this will often
    ||| result in someone buying a more expensive item because the benefits
    ||| make sense to them. I know, evil salesperson tactic, explaining why
    ||| something might be better than something else.
    |||
    ||| There's room for both types of retailers. The Performance customer
    ||| may
    ||| prefer learning what they can from a catalog or display rather than
    ||| talking with a salesperson. Nothing whatsoever wrong with that. And
    ||| the local bike shop customer may want a bit more personal attention
    ||| than afforded by a catalog outlet.
    |||
    ||| Obviously, things aren't always so cut-and-dry. There are local
    ||| bicycle
    ||| shops that may have very unfriendly or unhelpful (there *is* a
    ||| difference) staffs, and there may be catalog outlets with exemplary
    ||| employees. Regardless, I (with obvious bias) disagree with your
    ||| statement "Don't buy clothes in a bike shop...."
    |||
    ||| --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    ||| www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
    ||
    || Obviously you've never seen the sales at Nashbar...they have
    || cannondale stuff half off all the time, and their in house brand is
    || VERY inexpensive, but a good value

    Nashbar as a house brand? I didn't realize that. I know preformancebike
    does.

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