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  1. ok, i noticed this the last time i went out, and figured it was caused
    by a lazy stretching session / warmup on my part, but this time, after
    a good warmup and stretch exercises, i'm starting to think i'm missing
    something here.

    i'm developing a cramp in my right shin, just to the right of the
    tibia (anterior tibialus muscle). i'm noticing it starts off during
    my warm up walk, and gets worse as i progress.

    i do a light walk, increasing intensity as a warm up, then follow it
    with a calf, quad, and hamstring stretch, followed by shoulders and
    chest stretch. but i'm still getting this cramp in the shin muscle.

    are there any stretches / exercises i can do to loosen and warm this
    area up? it's only happening on my right leg at the moment.

    cassandra
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  2. STOP STRETCHING! You'll be amazed how those problems go away.

  3. keep up the whining and I'll give you another whack to the left shin!

  4. I agree. Stretching sucks and few people stretch properly anyway. It always
    delights and amazes me to watch all those people ritualy injuring
    themselves.

    "FabulustRunner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    STOP STRETCHING! You'll be amazed how those problems go away.

  5. Quoted message said:

    I agree. Stretching sucks and few people stretch properly anyway. It always
    delights and amazes me to watch all those people ritualy injuring
    themselves.

    Aside from injuries, stretching "looks stupid".

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I agree. Stretching sucks and few people stretch properly anyway. It


    always

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    delights and amazes me to watch all those people ritualy injuring
    themselves.

    Aside from injuries, stretching "looks stupid".

    oh..and running looks noble.

  7. Quoted message said:

    oh..and running looks noble.

    Yes

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    "FabulustRunner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I agree. Stretching sucks and few people stretch properly anyway. It


    always

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    delights and amazes me to watch all those people ritualy injuring
    themselves.

    Aside from injuries, stretching "looks stupid".

    oh..and running looks noble.


    Looks better than speed walking. Why would anyone move like that in public?

    Martha

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    Why would anyone move like that in public?

    Body lice.

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    ok, i noticed this the last time i went out, and figured it was caused
    by a lazy stretching session / warmup on my part, but this time, after
    a good warmup and stretch exercises, i'm starting to think i'm missing
    something here.

    i'm developing a cramp in my right shin, just to the right of the
    tibia (anterior tibialus muscle). i'm noticing it starts off during
    my warm up walk, and gets worse as i progress.

    i do a light walk, increasing intensity as a warm up, then follow it
    with a calf, quad, and hamstring stretch, followed by shoulders and
    chest stretch. but i'm still getting this cramp in the shin muscle.

    are there any stretches / exercises i can do to loosen and warm this
    area up? it's only happening on my right leg at the moment.

    cassandra

    Cassandra,

    Walk and let your toes relax...as if you have no toes.

    The following may be of some help and more than you need to know:

    From: "Jan Gontang" <[email hidden]>
    To: "Ozzie Gontang" <[email hidden]>
    Subject: Healing Shin Splint Folklore and Prevention
    Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:30:11 -0700
    X-Priority: 3

    Some folklore on shin splints and ways to think about what causes shin
    splints. A different way to think about shin splints and some things to do
    about them.

    Healing Shin Splint Folklore and Prevention
    by Austin Gontang,
    September 25, 2000

    You can help me get better. I need you to rate my articles and their
    usefulness to you. Click the appropriate rating circle at the bottom of the
    articles. Your comments are appreciated and necessary to keep me rethinking
    my folklore and continue my lifelong learning. Ozzie

    I continue to believe that the shin spints come more from the overstride and
    the deceleration and then the overstretch of the shin which should be
    relaxing but hasn't had time. It is then being stretched by the contracting
    calf muscle. For me I define an overstride as landing on the back of the
    heel of the shoe. If I were jumping up and down, I would never land on the
    heels of my shoes nor on my heels if I were barefoot. So why run landing on
    the heels...and by this I mean the back of the heels if one were barefoot.

    For me the image remains that as I place my foot under my center of gravity,
    the rest of my body is catapulted forward from that platform. This means
    that the calf contracting isn't pushing the entire body weight forward. The
    body weight has been catapulted forward by the glut/ham on the planted
    foot(the platform), the thrust forward of the elbow/shoulder of the platform
    side and the quad/psoas of the leg coming through to conterbalance the
    torque of the platform side.

    Anyway here, as you mentioned would show up in a few days, some of the shin
    splint folklore which I have shared with several thousand people over the
    past 2 decades. In case you didn't see the post above or didn't get others
    on your ISP, I've compiled them:

    Shin Splint Folklore by Ozzie
    c. 2000 Austin "Ozzie" Gontang, Ph.D.

    Folklore #1

    Shin splints are from the posterior and anterior tibilis getting tight and
    holding on and not letting go. Every step becomes a pain in the shins when
    running. Remember that the problem may be the calf muscles which means the
    shins have to work against muscles which only partially relax putting all
    kinds of strain on the shin. See article mentioned in #3 below.

    As you run, walk, let your toes relax. Often going up on the toes means the
    shin is being elongated...and if it is tight and holding on, the calves have
    to overcome the tightness in the shins...gradually the shins from being
    overstretched, tighten even more...and then your body realizes that it is
    even difficult to walk.

    As you stand during your day practice standing so that you can wiggle your
    toes at all times. Lean forward and notice how the toes dig in. That posture
    can also be a problem spot for the shins which get chronically tight and the
    running when the shins should be relaxing...that is when the calves are
    contracting...the shins only partially relax and the pain is that of ripping
    a muscle that doesn't want to let go.

    The ultimate muscle though which we have all passed goes from 0 cm to 10 cm.
    Now you realize the need to focus on relaxing as the crown pushes
    against that muscle attempting to force it to go to 10 cm too quickly.
    Breathing and relaxing can relax against that pressure. For the shins,
    it's also teaching the shins to let go. Everyone (except a few of us)
    attempt to strengthen and make the shin stronger rather than release the
    tightened and bound shin muscles.

    Folklore #2

    Get on all fours on a carpeted floor with the feet off the edge of a step.
    Place a tennis ball under one anterior tibialis. Keep most of the weight on
    the other knee and hands. Move foot easily up and down as you put more
    pressure on the tennis ball and roll it slowly over the belly of the shin
    muscle. Do the other foot the same way. See which foot is giving you the
    most pain.

    Folklore #3a

    See http://www.mindfulness.com/of1.asp. Face the railing. Turn the feet and
    entire body so that it is 45 degrees to the bar. Place the anterior shin
    over the bar so that the shin muscle and NOT the shin bone rest on the rail.
    If rail is too high, use the middle rail. Slowly make a small circle with
    the foot and slowly slide the shin down the railing. Do once or twice and
    then switch, facing the rail but turning 45 degrees in the other direction
    to do your other shin.

    Remember if you go too hard, too fast, too much, you'll only end up causing
    added problems as your muscle will tighten up even more to protect itself
    from your intensity. Go for the grace.

    Also remember that folklore means that if something doesnt' work for you,
    give it no power or energy but rather find someone who makes sense and whose
    folklore works for you.

    Folklore #3b

    One thing I've found over the years is that the peroneus, the muscle which
    runs down the outside of the leg - it everts the outside of the foot - often
    gets pulled and to protect itself it tightens- i.e. shortens. After the
    healing of the ligaments around the ankle, that peroneus (longus and medius
    portion) can remain in its semi-contracted state. which means it doesn't
    fully relax when the posterior tibialis - its counterpart - lifts the inside
    of the foot up.

    Way to loosen it with someone else helping.

    Have your partner start about 3 inches above the ankle bone. Hold as if you
    are going to strangle - fingers wrap around the lower leg, thumbs pointing
    toward each other or one thumb rests on the other thumb (if more pressure is
    desired).

    Have your partner use light pressure by pushing in with theirthumbs as you
    make a small (emphasis on small), smooth (emphasis on smooth) circle. As you
    makes small smooth circles with the foot your partner strangling your leg,
    slowly slides the thumbs up the peroneus muscle.

    The idea is that you can loosen the muscle from any adhesions and also you
    can loosen up the fascia which may be holding the peroneus from relaxing and
    going through it full range of motion.

    Usually after 3 or 4 times of small circles and your partner holding, walk.
    More often than not, you'll feel less pressure around the ankle as it can
    move more freely due to the freeing of the peroneus higher up the
    leg...which takes the tightness off the ankle area.

    The peroneus and posterior tibialis are often called stirrup muscles as they
    invert and evert the foot. They are also postural muscles and therefore slow
    twitch, in that they help maintain correct posture when functioning
    properly.

    To do the same thing, face a railing with a middle railing (see picture from
    web site). Turn your body 45 degrees and place the peroneus side of the leg
    on the bar, usually the lower is better unless you're very tall. Do the same
    foot movement as mentioned above to loosen the peroneus and the fascia which
    may be constricting the ankle for its full range of motion.

    Get back to us and let us know how it works. The web site picture where I
    have a group of people using the railing to loosen the belly of the calf
    muscle, gives you an idea of how to use the railing. The railing you want to
    use is the middle railing: http://www.mindfulness.com/of1.asp

    Folklore #3c

    Quoted message said:

    I have for the last couple of weeks had a pain just above my right inside


    ankle. If I hold up my leg and roll my foot to the inside, it causes the
    ankle to hurt. Snip-----

    If I had that pain I'd look first to see if the posterior tibialis had
    tightened up in response to the hill work.

    Second, I'd have the "deep tissue cross friction message" read: "Please do
    some work on my peroneus, especially the longus; and show me a few ways of
    how I might do that myself."

    Quoted message said:

    From what you've said, I'd look at my form to see where I was landing on my


    foot. I have been a strong proponent for ball/heel or midsole landing. That
    way I know that there is no overstride. Probably you're getting some
    overstride in you heavy workout, which causes the braking effect and causes
    the problem you mention.

    Folklore #4

    I'd look at the posterior tibialis, that muscle behind the shin bone on the
    inside.

    1. You are seated
    2. Left leg crossed on right thigh so outside of left leg rests on right
    thigh about 3 or 4 inches above right knee.
    3. place right thumb below left shin bone closest to you so it rests on the
    posterior tibialis
    4. Right hand rest on the shin bone.
    5. Place the left hand next to the right hand on the shin bone so that the
    left thumb rests on top of the right thumb.
    6. Make small (emphasis on small) and smooth (emphasis on smooth) circles
    with the left foot so there is no (spelled NO) jerkiness - otherwise
    you're just straining tendon.
    7. As you make the circle and the left toe goes downward, push in with the
    thumbs. With each circle move the thumbs about a quarter of an inch further
    up the leg.
    8. Find the spot that creates most pain and push more lightly at that spot
    so as not to create excrutiating pain and then move thumbs away first upward
    and then away downward, pushing harder so that you can feel the muscle under
    your thumbs let go.
    9. If you push too hard, go too fast, wince the face, stop breathing because
    of the pain, go too deep, you'll get the reverse of what you want.
    10. What you want is that posterior tibialis to let go so that your circle
    can move easily. Usually if it is bruised, the blood came from up above
    where the muscle tear took place and gravity let it settle where the bruise
    is.
    11. You'd like also to make sure that the posterior tibialis is not flush up
    again the shin bone. There should be some space where your thumb can go up
    that groove between the posterior shin muscle and the shin bone.

    Orgradually work to get it back, since if it's not there, then your shin is
    holding and probably the fascia won't allow the muscle to go through its
    range of motion and also the micro tears of the muscle or at the muscle
    tendon junction of the posterior shin muscle has scarred and also
    decreases the range of motion for the posterior shin.

    Let us know how it goes and what you learn so that we can all learn if my
    folklore worked for you, or was just folklore that needed to be discarded
    because it didn't work.

    Good luck with your experiment of one. Also during my training runs I often
    stop and work shins, calves, haves and quads loose so that my
    training run might be broken up by 10 or 12 stops to massage out or rub out
    the sore spots.

    Check out the two articles listed and especially the pictures. I can use
    almost anything along my running path to assist me as a tool to release or
    massage tight muscles:

    http://www.mindfulness.com/of1.asp
    http://www.mindfulness.com/of5.asp

  11. Quoted message said:

    Looks better than speed walking. Why would anyone move like that in public?

    To stay in shape?

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