What is most most dangerous?

Tumbleweed said:

Just seen a postie cycling along, regulation h*lm*t on, puffing away on a
[censored]. How many more times dangerous would the [censored] be than the helmet, or than
just cycling?

Depends. Was he riding hands-free while he rolled his own and then
fumbled for a box of matches? Very dangerous. Except on a recumbent
trike, of course, but then those riders are pipe smokers.

Colin

Tumbleweed said:

Just seen a postie cycling along, regulation h*lm*t on, puffing away on a
[censored]. How many more times dangerous would the [censored] be than the helmet, or than
just cycling?

I think one's accident risk is raised to above the alcohol threshold
levels for about ten minutes after consuming a [censored]. It's a phenomenon
known as "microsleeps", momentary lapses of attention during which
things can "appear from nowhere". But lots of motorists smoke so
don't expect any legislation.

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Sounds like a total idiot to me.

Provence1971 said:

Sounds like a total idiot to me.

Cipollini used to smoke in the TdF - not just cigars, either.

Provence1971 wrote:

[cycling postie in h****t, smoking]

Quoted message said:

Sounds like a total idiot to me.

I dunno. Not so long back someone was discussing how, in the good old
days, quite a few of the Tour de France competitors at the end of a
day's ride would be lighting up [censored]. I'd still bet most of them turned
in times few people here could match.

Doesn't Viz character Postman Prat like to puff on a tab? Then again,
possibly he's not a role model.

Or was your comment more concerned with the h****t?

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Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

Provence1971 <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Sounds like a total idiot to me.

Why - was he wearing headphones too?

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I usually use headphones when cycling. I don´t smoke but I use tobacco in the form of chewing tobacco/snuff, even when cycling. Guess I am not a role model for youngsters but I still manage to get a couple of first places during the season, despite my habits and age. 😄 Guess Chris labels me as a total idiot now.:o

Chris Bardell said:

Provence1971 <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Sounds like a total idiot to me.

Why - was he wearing headphones too?

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Had an accident three months ago (sober, ship shape, no [censored], no tobacco), hit a car at 48 km/h on a regular evening training, that´s all I remember.
I still believe cycling to be a safe sport for most people. Wearing a helmet is a necessity, If I had not, I would not be typing this now. Helmet used is in pieces and I have two cracked neckbones and lost my nerves in my left hand and lower arm. I will be back cycling as soon as I get my new frame.
Don´t think postie´s have the same approach to safety though, but then again, who receives their mail in the early morning by someone who is doing his/hers mail tour at 50 km/h....?😄 .

Tumbleweed said:

Just seen a postie cycling along, regulation h*lm*t on, puffing away on a
[censored]. How many more times dangerous would the [censored] be than the helmet, or than
just cycling?

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MadDog62 said:

Wearing a
helmet is a necessity, If I had not, I would not be typing this now.
Helmet used is in pieces and I have two cracked neckbones and lost my
nerves in my left hand and lower arm.

I doubt it. Your speed meant you exceeded the design limits of the
helmet by an order of magnitude and it failed in a brittle fracture mode
which means it did not absorb the energy as it was supposed to but
failed with several fractures instead. OTOH helmets are believed to
exacerbate neck injuries.

Tony

Hmmm....good point Tony. I have been told how lucky I was wearing a helmet being told what the alternative of not having weared a helmet at all would have been. I am currently trying out a Giro Atmos and I was actually struck by the lack of shock absorbers inside the helmet and the fact that it has a carbon fibre shell....?

quote='Tony Raven'MadDog62 said:

Wearing a
helmet is a necessity, If I had not, I would not be typing this now.
Helmet used is in pieces and I have two cracked neckbones and lost my
nerves in my left hand and lower arm.

I doubt it. Your speed meant you exceeded the design limits of the
helmet by an order of magnitude and it failed in a brittle fracture mode
which means it did not absorb the energy as it was supposed to but
failed with several fractures instead. OTOH helmets are believed to
exacerbate neck injuries.

Tony[/QUOTE]

MadDog62 said:

Had an accident three months ago (sober, ship shape, no [censored], no
tobacco), hit a car at 48 km/h on a regular evening training, that´s
all I remember.
I still believe cycling to be a safe sport for most people. Wearing a
helmet is a necessity, If I had not, I would not be typing this now.

You're new around here, aren't you🙂

Quoted message said:

Helmet used is in pieces and I have two cracked neckbones and lost my
nerves in my left hand and lower arm. I will be back cycling as soon as
I get my new frame.

I'll tell you my story. Hit by a car and woke up in hospital. The
goretex headwear was a shredded mess but my head was fine. By your
logic, it saved my life and goretex hats are a necessity.

I've been rather taken aback by the number of people who, on hearing
that my arm was smashed to bits, suggested that a helmet would have
helped.

Quoted message said:

Don´t think postie´s have the same approach to safety though, but then
again, who receives their mail in the early morning by someone who is
doing his/hers mail tour at 50 km/h....?😄 .

Posties, and 99% of British cyclists, don't need the same approach to
safety as racing cyclists or off roaders. In much the same way as when
driving a car to work, we don't follow the Formula 1 requirement to
don fireproof suits.

MadDog62 said:

I am currently trying out a Giro Atmos and I was
actually struck by the lack of shock absorbers inside the helmet and
the fact that it has a carbon fibre shell....?

Not as far as I know. It has bits of carbon fibre stuck on the cross
ribs and some carbon fibre inserts to strengthen the polystyrene but the
shell in the normal microshell plastic.

Tony

I am new around here yes. 🙂 I consequently apologise if I step on someone´s toes or smash in wide open doors here.

Don´t follow the bit about Goretex hats though... Goretex for me is soft, warm things that do not protect you for anything else than deep frozen ears...?

I suppose the fact that your arm was "smashed to bits" cannot relate to the head/helmet issue that I am facing?

Best regards,

Mad Dog
PS. I have a fire extinguisher within grabbing distance in my car so yes, I do not wear fire proof suits when I drive to work. 😄 DS.

[Not Responding said:

']On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:31:00 +1100, MadDog62

Quoted message said:

Had an accident three months ago (sober, ship shape, no [censored], no
tobacco), hit a car at 48 km/h on a regular evening training, that´s
all I remember.
I still believe cycling to be a safe sport for most people. Wearing a
helmet is a necessity, If I had not, I would not be typing this now.

You're new around here, aren't you🙂

Quoted message said:

Helmet used is in pieces and I have two cracked neckbones and lost my
nerves in my left hand and lower arm. I will be back cycling as soon as
I get my new frame.

I'll tell you my story. Hit by a car and woke up in hospital. The
goretex headwear was a shredded mess but my head was fine. By your
logic, it saved my life and goretex hats are a necessity.

I've been rather taken aback by the number of people who, on hearing
that my arm was smashed to bits, suggested that a helmet would have
helped.

Quoted message said:

Don´t think postie´s have the same approach to safety though, but then
again, who receives their mail in the early morning by someone who is
doing his/hers mail tour at 50 km/h....?😄 .

Posties, and 99% of British cyclists, don't need the same approach to
safety as racing cyclists or off roaders. In much the same way as when
driving a car to work, we don't follow the Formula 1 requirement to
don fireproof suits.

MadDog62 said:

I am new around here yes. 🙂 I consequently apologise if I step on
someone´s toes or smash in wide open doors here.

Don´t follow the bit about Goretex hats though... Goretex for me is
soft, warm things that do not protect you for anything else than deep
frozen ears...?

I suppose the fact that your arm was "smashed to bits" cannot relate to
the head/helmet issue that I am facing?

If you hang around you will soon find that helmets are a hot button
topic. You can easily search through previous threads with "helmet" in
the subject line to read any amount of arguments on the subject, several
of them very recent. It does take up an inordinate amount of bandwidth
here. You can also, if you want take a look at:
http://www.cyclehelmets.org/

or the helmet FAQ at
http://www.magma.ca/~ocbc/

and so on.
--
Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

Thus spake Zog The Undeniable:

Quoted message said:

Provence1971 said:

Sounds like a total idiot to me.

Cipollini used to smoke in the TdF - not just cigars, either.

Yea but that was his annual holiday though 😄

Zog The Undeniable said:

Provence1971 said:

Sounds like a total idiot to me.

Cipollini used to smoke in the TdF - not just cigars, either.

He's a silly sausage.

Or was that Chipolata?

Anyway, his website intro is a bit OTT.

http://www.mariocipollini.net/

--
Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

Zog The Undeniable said:

Provence1971 said:

Sounds like a total idiot to me.

Cipollini used to smoke in the TdF - not just cigars, either.

BUT he was bloody quick at delivering letters in the last half a
kilometer :-)

in message <[email hidden]>, MadDog62

(') said:

I am new around here yes. 🙂 I consequently apologise if I step on
someone´s toes or smash in wide open doors here.

Don´t follow the bit about Goretex hats though... Goretex for me is
soft, warm things that do not protect you for anything else than deep
frozen ears...?

I suppose the fact that your arm was "smashed to bits" cannot relate
to the head/helmet issue that I am facing?

I am simply not going to repeat the whole helmet argument now. If you
want it, it is here:
<URL:http://www.jasmine.org.uk/dogfood/story/article_20.html>

All I suggest to you is that you write to the manufacturer of your cycle
helmet, stating the model, and ask them whether in their opinion it is
strong enough to protect you in a collision with a car.

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;; it isn't furry.

MadDog62 said:

I still believe cycling to be a safe sport for most people.

For most people it is not a sport at all.

Quoted message said:

Wearing a helmet is a necessity

Ahem. I refer the hon. gentleman to my previous answer (or rather,
the previous answers, in their multiple forms, of multiple posters).

http://www.cyclehelmets.org
http://www.cycle-helmets.com
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/documents/maxi-faq-helmets

etc. etc.

Quoted message said:

If I had not, I would not be typing this now.

You went back and tried it again without did you?

It's funny how since the invention of helmets all cycling crashes have
become inevitably fatal without the magic polystyrene headgear.
Unless the rider is not wearing one and manages to survive, in which
case it is blind luck and they would have been even more completely
unharmed if they had worn one :-)

Quoted message said:

Helmet used is in pieces

Ah, so it failed then. Typical polystyrene foam deflector beanie -
falls apart at the first sign of any force! Just as well the human
skull is good and tough. You do know that helmets are not supposed to
break, don't you? You are aware that polystyrene absorbs virtually no
energy in brittle failure, and helmets are designed to work by plastic
deformation?

If a helmet cracks inna Saved My Life[tm] stylee during the ANSI
tests, it fails and is rejected.

Guy
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