Johnny's identity

Joao de Souza said:

After seeing how "Johnny Nocom" decided to escalate his trolling into
actually hurting people businesses, I've decided to do a little bit of
detective work. Normally I woudn't have bothered even reading this
trolls rants, but he just went too far.

I have to say I'm 99.99999% sure that Johnny Nocom is Ed Gin. And here
is why.

The first thing to keep in mind is that Ed Gin lives in Chicago, and
that he sells Nocoms. I understand that he was also somewhat involved
with the design and development of the bike. Also keep in mind that Ed
was one of the main contributors from the now twice deceased Monkey
Island discussion forum - a forum where the majority of the messages
were attacks on Bryan Ball, bentrideronline, Bacchetta, and any bike
that is not a lowracer. In the interest of full disclosure, I should
say I too dislike the Bacchetta company, but for my own reasons, and
don't go around trolling them.

So what I did was to download the entire newspool for this group between
26 June 2003 and 18 December 2004. That's every single message posted
during this 18-month period, including all message headers. If anyone
wants a copy of the file, drop me a note. By doing a quick text search
for "Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)", the newsreader used by Johnny
Nocom, here is what comes up:

The first message using that newsreader is this one:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/17e3e012e1656e5c?dmode=source

That's a message by Ed Gin. By looking at the line "X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)" we can verify that he is using Mozilla 4.76 on
an older Macintosh PowerPC. On the line "Content-Type:" it describes
his Mac as "x-mac-type="54455854"" which is the actual model Macintosh
he is using. And by doing a traceroute on his "NNTP-Posting-Host:" it
shows that it is an Earthlink/Mindspring dial-up connection in Chicago.

The several next positive hits for "Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)"
all follow the exact same pattern. Ed Gin, same computer, same ISP.

Then on 4 November 2003, someone else shows up using "X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/0e5c87095a1616b8?dmode=source

That's an anonymous troll, Sam Longer, posting the typical anonymous
Monkey Island drivel against Bacchetta. By looking at the headers,
you'll notice that the troll is not only using the same older version of
Netscape, but he is also using the exact same model Macintosh as Ed Gin
(x-mac-type="54455854"😉. The only difference is that the
NNTP-Posting-Host is a Prodigy/Yahoo/SBC DSL connection instead of the
Earthlink/Mindspring dial-up, but it is in the same city, Chicago.

After a series of messages by the same troll, we get a message by Ed Gin.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/f3ae95eb61f49e04?dmode=source

Now here is the interesting thing about the message: Although it is
still using the same computer and posting software, he has now switched
from his dial-up to a Prodigy/Yahoo/SBC DSL connection in Chicago, just
like "Sam Longer".

The next message to follow the exact same pattern (Netscape 4.76,
x-mac-type="54455854", Prodigy/Yahoo/SBC DSL in Chicago) comes from a
"Rich Long" (long instead of longer like the previous encarnation).
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/b744868665485e27?dmode=source

Then after several messages by "Rich Long", he accidentally forgets to
change his Netscape settings, and posts a message as "Rich Long" but
signs it as "Ed Gin".
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/3a1b9c09fc5a336d?dmode=source

Then another anonymous troll, FlabbyBlabbyRevealed, shows up with all
the same software/computer model/ISP/city combination
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/f31bd9a18c2d2d33?dmode=source

After some messages, FlabbyBlabbyRevealed accidenly signs his message
"Rich", just like his other alias "Rich Long".
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/3e990ebeaf38b446?dmode=source

Then the next day he posts as Ed Gin - all the same characteristics as
before.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/7c0e9f18c16f9314?dmode=source

I'll stop saying "all the same characteristics" from here on. Just keep
in mind that all of these messages are being posted with the same
software, the exact same model computer, under the same provider, and in
the same city - and no other messages other than these during these 18
months matches either the computer model number or the posting software.
Also, the majority of these messages follow the typical Monkey Island
format, praising the Nocom, and trolling everything else.

Anyway, next is another anonymous troll, Snoop Dog.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/bf577c343732a331?dmode=source

Then its another troll, Harry Burns, posting a false message by Rich
Pinto (of Bacchetta)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/03c00b3fce1a0a35?dmode=source

Then we get the first message by Johnny Nocom, (message ID
[email hidden] ) which was erased from the Google
archives probably because of fact that he used a fake bentrideronline
address, which caused people in other groups to think the troll was
associated with bentrideronline, and some of these people voiced their
complaints to companies that advertise in BROL.

Then after a huge number of Johnny messages, he forgets which alias he
is using, and posts a bunch of messages as "Rich Long", but signs them
"Johnny Nocom" - Remember that "Rich Long" had also signed as Ed Gin before
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/1a7a3e4b33ed99b2?dmode=source
plus many others all posted within a few minutes.

Then he realizes his mistake, and goes back to posting as Johnny
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/2204fc74448ae58f?dmode=source

Then "Johnny" tries to convince us that there are many people different
people posting with the same software and computer model as him, when in
fact the only posts in 18 months in this group coming with either that
software or that model computer all come from the same internet
provider, all from the same city, all follow the same exact pattern of
trolling, and we have several examples of messages are posted under one
alias but signed as a different one.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/5b2ad2a22dae0ac5?dmode=source

Ed Gin? If you read this, and in the astronomically unlikely
possibility you are not this troll, please post a response. And if you
are, do you really think that acting this way will will help you sell
your Nocoms?

Anyway, I feel like I've just wasted 15 minutes of my life.

Joao "at least I have the balls to sign my own name when making
accusations" de Souza

Wow. I almost feel like I've listened to a final summation from Perry Mason.
Need I mention that I'm old?
But seriously, let me say that I am impressed. And, that I'm terribly
disappointed in Ed Gin. Not that this will cause him to lie awake nights, of
course.

--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney

Joao de Souza said:

After seeing how "Johnny Nocom" decided to escalate his trolling into

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actually hurting people businesses, I've decided to do a little bit

of

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detective work. Normally I woudn't have bothered even reading this
trolls rants, but he just went too far.

I have to say I'm 99.99999% sure that Johnny Nocom is Ed Gin. And

here

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is why.

The first thing to keep in mind is that Ed Gin lives in Chicago, and
that he sells Nocoms. I understand that he was also somewhat

involved

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with the design and development of the bike. Also keep in mind that

Ed

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was one of the main contributors from the now twice deceased Monkey
Island discussion forum - a forum where the majority of the messages
were attacks on Bryan Ball, bentrideronline, Bacchetta, and any bike
that is not a lowracer. In the interest of full disclosure, I should

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say I too dislike the Bacchetta company, but for my own reasons, and
don't go around trolling them.

So what I did was to download the entire newspool for this group

between

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26 June 2003 and 18 December 2004. That's every single message

posted

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during this 18-month period, including all message headers. If

anyone

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wants a copy of the file, drop me a note. By doing a quick text

search

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for "Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)", the newsreader used by Johnny

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Nocom, here is what comes up:

The first message using that newsreader is this one:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/17e3e012e1656e5c?dmode=source

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That's a message by Ed Gin. By looking at the line "X-Mailer:

Mozilla

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4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)" we can verify that he is using Mozilla 4.76

on

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an older Macintosh PowerPC. On the line "Content-Type:" it describes

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his Mac as "x-mac-type="54455854"" which is the actual model

Macintosh

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he is using. And by doing a traceroute on his "NNTP-Posting-Host:"

it

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shows that it is an Earthlink/Mindspring dial-up connection in

Chicago.

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The several next positive hits for "Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)"

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all follow the exact same pattern. Ed Gin, same computer, same ISP.

Then on 4 November 2003, someone else shows up using "X-Mailer:

Mozilla

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4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)"

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/0e5c87095a1616b8?dmode=source

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That's an anonymous troll, Sam Longer, posting the typical anonymous
Monkey Island drivel against Bacchetta. By looking at the headers,
you'll notice that the troll is not only using the same older version

of

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Netscape, but he is also using the exact same model Macintosh as Ed

Gin

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(x-mac-type="54455854"😉. The only difference is that the
NNTP-Posting-Host is a Prodigy/Yahoo/SBC DSL connection instead of

the

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Earthlink/Mindspring dial-up, but it is in the same city, Chicago.

After a series of messages by the same troll, we get a message by Ed

Gin.

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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/f3ae95eb61f49e04?dmode=source

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Now here is the interesting thing about the message: Although it is
still using the same computer and posting software, he has now

switched

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from his dial-up to a Prodigy/Yahoo/SBC DSL connection in Chicago,

just

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like "Sam Longer".

The next message to follow the exact same pattern (Netscape 4.76,
x-mac-type="54455854", Prodigy/Yahoo/SBC DSL in Chicago) comes from a

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"Rich Long" (long instead of longer like the previous encarnation).

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/b744868665485e27?dmode=source

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Then after several messages by "Rich Long", he accidentally forgets

to

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change his Netscape settings, and posts a message as "Rich Long" but
signs it as "Ed Gin".

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/3a1b9c09fc5a336d?dmode=source

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Then another anonymous troll, FlabbyBlabbyRevealed, shows up with all

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the same software/computer model/ISP/city combination

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/f31bd9a18c2d2d33?dmode=source

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After some messages, FlabbyBlabbyRevealed accidenly signs his message

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"Rich", just like his other alias "Rich Long".

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/3e990ebeaf38b446?dmode=source

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Then the next day he posts as Ed Gin - all the same characteristics

as

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before.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/7c0e9f18c16f9314?dmode=source

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I'll stop saying "all the same characteristics" from here on. Just

keep

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in mind that all of these messages are being posted with the same
software, the exact same model computer, under the same provider, and

in

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the same city - and no other messages other than these during these

18

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months matches either the computer model number or the posting

software.

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Also, the majority of these messages follow the typical Monkey

Island

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format, praising the Nocom, and trolling everything else.

Anyway, next is another anonymous troll, Snoop Dog.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/bf577c343732a331?dmode=source

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Then its another troll, Harry Burns, posting a false message by Rich
Pinto (of Bacchetta)

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/03c00b3fce1a0a35?dmode=source

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Then we get the first message by Johnny Nocom, (message ID
[email hidden] ) which was erased from the

Google

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archives probably because of fact that he used a fake bentrideronline

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address, which caused people in other groups to think the troll was
associated with bentrideronline, and some of these people voiced

their

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complaints to companies that advertise in BROL.

Then after a huge number of Johnny messages, he forgets which alias

he

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is using, and posts a bunch of messages as "Rich Long", but signs

them

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"Johnny Nocom" - Remember that "Rich Long" had also signed as Ed Gin

before

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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/1a7a3e4b33ed99b2?dmode=source

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plus many others all posted within a few minutes.

Then he realizes his mistake, and goes back to posting as Johnny

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/2204fc74448ae58f?dmode=source

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Then "Johnny" tries to convince us that there are many people

different

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people posting with the same software and computer model as him, when

in

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fact the only posts in 18 months in this group coming with either

that

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software or that model computer all come from the same internet
provider, all from the same city, all follow the same exact pattern

of

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trolling, and we have several examples of messages are posted under

one

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alias but signed as a different one.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/5b2ad2a22dae0ac5?dmode=source

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Ed Gin? If you read this, and in the astronomically unlikely
possibility you are not this troll, please post a response. And if

you

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are, do you really think that acting this way will will help you sell

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your Nocoms?

Anyway, I feel like I've just wasted 15 minutes of my life.

Joao "at least I have the balls to sign my own name when making
accusations" de Souza

Joao de Souza,

Sing along with me...

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with "GIN"

.... or so "Head" Gin thinks. Well he's been unmasked, no doubt.
It's about time someone exposed Ed-Johnny NoCom-Gin and a nice bit
of cyber detective work it was too. The identity of the troll was no
mystery to me. Several key words in particular context and the writing
style in general are trademarks of Ed as is the cowardly use of
obscured identity and sock puppet pseudonyms. I've seen dozens of them
employed in past flame wars. By the way he is a Macintosh/Netscape
user. You've got him dead to rights. As I said in a previous post,
it's time for Ed to change his moniker to "Johnny NoCON"!!!

[email hidden] wrote:
(nothing. nada. zipp)

NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.148.80.164 - Aleron.com dialup connection in.....
CHICAGO!

A quick google search for the email "[email hidden]" and the very
first link is http://www.cyclingforums.com/t22697.html - a message about
Ed Gin trolling by impressionating someone else (Jim McNamara).

Go figure.

i always knew it was him with his bm ED caught red handed,now what do you have
to say mr. johnny nocom you are guilty and should admit to it you should
ashamed of yourself we all here in the recumbent thought we could trust you but
now that you have let us down we don't know that we can trust you for your word
but still you are a great person to ride with but i don't know if i would trust
you
it's not nice to be two faced.
now com'on Ed be a real man at times and act like one you big old kid.
i'm very upset at you

Joao de Souza said:

After seeing how "Johnny Nocom" decided to escalate his trolling into
actually hurting people businesses, I've decided to do a little bit of
detective work. Normally I woudn't have bothered even reading this
trolls rants, but he just went too far.

I have to say I'm 99.99999% sure that Johnny Nocom is Ed Gin. And here
is why.

The first thing to keep in mind is that Ed Gin lives in Chicago, and
that he sells Nocoms. I understand that he was also somewhat involved
with the design and development of the bike. Also keep in mind that Ed
was one of the main contributors from the now twice deceased Monkey
Island discussion forum - a forum where the majority of the messages
were attacks on Bryan Ball, bentrideronline, Bacchetta, and any bike
that is not a lowracer. In the interest of full disclosure, I should
say I too dislike the Bacchetta company, but for my own reasons, and
don't go around trolling them.

So what I did was to download the entire newspool for this group between
26 June 2003 and 18 December 2004. That's every single message posted
during this 18-month period, including all message headers. If anyone
wants a copy of the file, drop me a note. By doing a quick text search
for "Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)", the newsreader used by Johnny
Nocom, here is what comes up:

The first message using that newsreader is this one:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/17e3e012e1656e5c?dmode=source

That's a message by Ed Gin. By looking at the line "X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)" we can verify that he is using Mozilla 4.76 on
an older Macintosh PowerPC. On the line "Content-Type:" it describes
his Mac as "x-mac-type="54455854"" which is the actual model Macintosh
he is using. And by doing a traceroute on his "NNTP-Posting-Host:" it
shows that it is an Earthlink/Mindspring dial-up connection in Chicago.

The several next positive hits for "Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)"
all follow the exact same pattern. Ed Gin, same computer, same ISP.

Then on 4 November 2003, someone else shows up using "X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/0e5c87095a1616b8?dmode=source
That's an anonymous troll, Sam Longer, posting the typical anonymous
Monkey Island drivel against Bacchetta. By looking at the headers,
you'll notice that the troll is not only using the same older version of
Netscape, but he is also using the exact same model Macintosh as Ed Gin
(x-mac-type="54455854"😉. The only difference is that the
NNTP-Posting-Host is a Prodigy/Yahoo/SBC DSL connection instead of the
Earthlink/Mindspring dial-up, but it is in the same city, Chicago.

After a series of messages by the same troll, we get a message by Ed Gin.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/f3ae95eb61f49e04?dmode=source

Now here is the interesting thing about the message: Although it is
still using the same computer and posting software, he has now switched
from his dial-up to a Prodigy/Yahoo/SBC DSL connection in Chicago, just
like "Sam Longer".

The next message to follow the exact same pattern (Netscape 4.76,
x-mac-type="54455854", Prodigy/Yahoo/SBC DSL in Chicago) comes from a
"Rich Long" (long instead of longer like the previous encarnation).
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/b744868665485e27?dmode=source

Then after several messages by "Rich Long", he accidentally forgets to
change his Netscape settings, and posts a message as "Rich Long" but
signs it as "Ed Gin".
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/3a1b9c09fc5a336d?dmode=source

Then another anonymous troll, FlabbyBlabbyRevealed, shows up with all
the same software/computer model/ISP/city combination
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/f31bd9a18c2d2d33?dmode=source

After some messages, FlabbyBlabbyRevealed accidenly signs his message
"Rich", just like his other alias "Rich Long".
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/3e990ebeaf38b446?dmode=source

Then the next day he posts as Ed Gin - all the same characteristics as
before.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/7c0e9f18c16f9314?dmode=source

I'll stop saying "all the same characteristics" from here on. Just keep
in mind that all of these messages are being posted with the same
software, the exact same model computer, under the same provider, and in
the same city - and no other messages other than these during these 18
months matches either the computer model number or the posting software.
Also, the majority of these messages follow the typical Monkey Island
format, praising the Nocom, and trolling everything else.

Anyway, next is another anonymous troll, Snoop Dog.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/bf577c343732a331?dmode=source

Then its another troll, Harry Burns, posting a false message by Rich
Pinto (of Bacchetta)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/03c00b3fce1a0a35?dmode=source

Then we get the first message by Johnny Nocom, (message ID
[email hidden] ) which was erased from the Google
archives probably because of fact that he used a fake bentrideronline
address, which caused people in other groups to think the troll was
associated with bentrideronline, and some of these people voiced their
complaints to companies that advertise in BROL.

Then after a huge number of Johnny messages, he forgets which alias he
is using, and posts a bunch of messages as "Rich Long", but signs them
"Johnny Nocom" - Remember that "Rich Long" had also signed as Ed Gin before
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/1a7a3e4b33ed99b2?dmode=source
plus many others all posted within a few minutes.

Then he realizes his mistake, and goes back to posting as Johnny
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/2204fc74448ae58f?dmode=source

Then "Johnny" tries to convince us that there are many people different
people posting with the same software and computer model as him, when in
fact the only posts in 18 months in this group coming with either that
software or that model computer all come from the same internet
provider, all from the same city, all follow the same exact pattern of
trolling, and we have several examples of messages are posted under one
alias but signed as a different one.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/5b2ad2a22dae0ac5?dmode=source

Ed Gin? If you read this, and in the astronomically unlikely
possibility you are not this troll, please post a response. And if you
are, do you really think that acting this way will will help you sell
your Nocoms?

Anyway, I feel like I've just wasted 15 minutes of my life.

Joao "at least I have the balls to sign my own name when making
accusations" de Souza

Joan,

Here is the response you should read very carefully as you have now accused
me of being Ed Gin with 99.99999 per cent certainty

You've wasted your time tracking and surmising who I am.

What you and all whom believe your conjecture fail to understand, is the fact you
DO NOT KNOW the AUTHOR of the material.

ED GIN IS NOT JOHNNY NO COM.

Johnny [email hidden]

Babboonboy5 said:

i always knew it was him with his bm ED caught red handed,now what do you have
to say mr. johnny nocom you are guilty and should admit to it you should
ashamed of yourself we all here in the recumbent thought we could trust you but
now that you have let us down we don't know that we can trust you for your word
but still you are a great person to ride with but i don't know if i would trust
you
it's not nice to be two faced.
now com'on Ed be a real man at times and act like one you big old kid.
i'm very upset at you

Babboonboy5,

Everyone knows WHO YOU ARE. Hi Earl. And guess what, you are wrong
again.

Johnny [email hidden]

Joao de Souza said:

[email hidden] wrote:
(nothing. nada. zipp)

NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.148.80.164 - Aleron.com dialup connection in.....
CHICAGO!

A quick google search for the email "[email hidden]" and the very
first link is http://www.cyclingforums.com/t22697.html - a message about
Ed Gin trolling by impressionating someone else (Jim McNamara).

Go figure.

Joao,

Glad you found that link, the Ed Gin posts are from him. I'd suggest
you study them. He certainly is not me.

Johnny [email hidden]

Joao de Souza said:

Johnny NoCom said:

You've wasted your time tracking and surmising who I am.

"You" are just a sock puppet who deserves as much attention and respect
as a bloodsucking mosquito at a nudist colony. Until I hear a perfectly
good explanation from Ed Gin, under Ed Gin's name, and signed as Ed Gin,
I don't see why myself or anyone else should think you two are not the
same person.

Joao "ouch..swat...now where was I" de Souza

Joao,

I know it's been cold in NY recently, isn't your condom bike warm enough?
What you need to do is get and do some real miles. Take a deep breath now,

ahhhhhh, feel better now. Perhaps you should do what Ed does year round,
RIDE to stay fit and healthy.

Johnny [email hidden]

Johnny NoCom said:

You've wasted your time tracking and surmising who I am.

"You" are just a sock puppet who deserves as much attention and respect
as a bloodsucking mosquito at a nudist colony. Until I hear a perfectly
good explanation from Ed Gin, under Ed Gin's name, and signed as Ed Gin,
I don't see why myself or anyone else should think you two are not the
same person.

Joao "ouch..swat...now where was I" de Souza

Joao de Souza said:

Johnny NoCom said:

You've wasted your time tracking and surmising who I am.

"You" are just a sock puppet who deserves as much attention and respect
as a bloodsucking mosquito at a nudist colony. Until I hear a perfectly
good explanation from Ed Gin, under Ed Gin's name, and signed as Ed Gin,
I don't see why myself or anyone else should think you two are not the
same person.

Speaking in general, it is not possible to prove the identity of an
author of a post by tracking ISP's or other such messages. For example,
I could find a person in a geographic location distant from mine, email
that person messages, and then that person could post them to Usenet
under a pseudonym.

--
Tom Sherman

Tom Sherman said:

Joao de Souza said:

Johnny NoCom said:

You've wasted your time tracking and surmising who I am.

"You" are just a sock puppet who deserves as much attention and respect
as a bloodsucking mosquito at a nudist colony. Until I hear a perfectly
good explanation from Ed Gin, under Ed Gin's name, and signed as Ed Gin,
I don't see why myself or anyone else should think you two are not the
same person.

Speaking in general, it is not possible to prove the identity of an
author of a post by tracking ISP's or other such messages. For example,
I could find a person in a geographic location distant from mine, email
that person messages, and then that person could post them to Usenet
under a pseudonym.

--
Tom Sherman

Tom,

It is GOOD Joao spend time proving something that cannot be verified.
I think you really KNOW who I am. Joao, Larry, and others DO NOT.

I assure you, I am not Ed Gin.

Johnny [email hidden]

Johnny NoCom said:

Glad you found that link, the Ed Gin posts are from him. I'd suggest
you study them. He certainly is not me.

And here is Ed's message, with the headers:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/msg/64e64d6e37a09c07?dmode=source

I'd suggest you study them.

Joao "X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC); x-mac-type="54455854";
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"" de Souza

Joao de Souza said:

Johnny NoCom said:

You've wasted your time tracking and surmising who I am.

"You" are just a sock puppet who deserves as much attention and respect
as a bloodsucking mosquito at a nudist colony. Until I hear a perfectly
good explanation from Ed Gin, under Ed Gin's name, and signed as Ed Gin,
I don't see why myself or anyone else should think you two are not the
same person.

Joao "ouch..swat...now where was I" de Souza

I frankly don't believe Ed will respond to you, he rides megamileage each
year.

Johnny [email hidden]

One big hole in your theory. Why would a dealer annoy everyone to promote a bike he's selling?
All this [censored] is not going to help any. I dont see him listed as a dealer though.

Mikael said:

One big hole in your theory. Why would a dealer annoy everyone to promote
a bike he's selling? All this [censored] is not going to help any. I dont see
him listed as a dealer though.

Perhaps Ed's(?) goal is to discredit the NoCom, so nobody is willing to
buy or to ride it anymore? This way he'd be the single owner of a
concededly fast bike - hoping all the really fast riders will stay away
from it full of despite and he never will have to fear competition.

Just a thought. ;-)

Kurt

Mikael said:

One big hole in your theory. Why would a dealer annoy everyone to promote a bike he's selling?
All this [censored] is not going to help any. I dont see him listed as a dealer though.

He's not an official dealer, but he does import them and sells them from
his home. Why he would act this way is beyond me.

If it was one coincidence, okay, probably not him. Two coincidences,
unlikely, but but I would be fully willing to overlook it. But once you
start going for 3, 4, 5, 6, or in this case nearly 10 coincidences, all
pointing towards the exact same person, then things start to fall under
the overwhelmingly obvious category.

Mikael said:

One big hole in your theory. Why would a dealer annoy everyone to promote a bike he's selling?
All this [censored] is not going to help any. I dont see him listed as a dealer though.

Yo Mikey,

Must be cold in Denmark. Apparently you have brain freeze. Johnny NoCom is not a dealer. Johnny
NoCom spreads the word to cyclist all over the world that the NoCom is the Fastest Stock Bike in
the Known Universe.

Who the hell is Ed Gin? Is he a NoCom dealer? If so GOOD. About time someone in the states sells
the Fastest Stock Bike in the Known Universe to more cyclists. The more fast recumbents there are
on the roads the better off the cycling world will be. If Ed is selling bikes may he sell
hundreds of thousands of NoComs worldwide.

Holiday Cheers,

Johnny [email hidden]

In article <[email hidden]>,
Joao de Souza <[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

That's a message by Ed Gin. By looking at the line "X-Mailer: Mozilla
4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC)" we can verify that he is using Mozilla 4.76 on
an older Macintosh PowerPC. On the line "Content-Type:" it describes
his Mac as "x-mac-type="54455854"" which is the actual model Macintosh
he is using. And by doing a traceroute on his "NNTP-Posting-Host:" it
shows that it is an Earthlink/Mindspring dial-up connection in Chicago.

A minor correction: x-mac-type isn't a type of macintosh. It's the
type of data being sent. In this case "54455854" translates into "TEXT"
which is the file-type code for any plain text file on a Macintosh
computer. Break it up into two-character pairs (54 45 58 54) and each
pair is the ASCII value of the character in hexadecimal. Here's a
chart. http://www.cppreference.com/ascii.html
Anyway, that's my quibble. You still make a compelling case.

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