US PRO Candyass National Championships

Well he came in ahead of Fast Freddy ... Plus the rider McCormack is one of the classiest bike
racers you will meet.

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It should be called the Candyass Championships.

The jersey gets awarded this year to a rider who didn't make the podium.

Even the Masters Fattie nationals is better than this. At least the winner crosses the line first.

To it's credit, USPRO Candyass Championships doesn't give everyone a medal like they do at Masters
Fattie nats.

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Well he came in ahead of Fast Freddy ... Plus the rider McCormack is one

of

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the classiest bike racers you will meet.

Hey Fattie -

I'm talking about the way the race is set up, not the racers themselves.

Scott Downie said:

Well he came in ahead of Fast Freddy ... Plus the rider McCormack is one of the classiest bike
racers you will meet.

Not everyone would agree. Here's what Julean Dean had to say the other day:

"McCormack came across my front wheel and took it out with 150m to go. It was an unprofessional move
because he knew I was coming around him and it was the only thing he could do."

And from the "Lousy sportsmanship?" thread on 2/5/99, Brian Jew was quoted:

"On lap four, the McCormacks showed off just one of the ways to make cyclo-cross a true team sport.
With Sundt moving to the front to again make his move on the run-up, Frank McCormack surged in front
to deny Sundt his line and move him toward the fencing. Then, Mark McCormack delivered the knock-out
blow". "I put my bike sideways and said (to Frank) this is your opportunity", said Mark McCormack.
"The move knocked Sundt into the fencing and sprang Frank McCormack free. Sundt took it all in
stride. 'They're professionals and they're paid to win races,' he said. 'It's aggressive; it's like
hockey on wheels. That's what makes it exciting.'"

So, do you think McCormack is classy because of this behavior or in spite of it? I'm aware that some
people think this is the correct way to ride (I don't), but does anyone really think it's classy?

Bret

Oh I apologize I was unclear of your true dissatifaction.

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Well he came in ahead of Fast Freddy ... Plus the rider McCormack is

one

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of

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the classiest bike racers you will meet.

Hey Fattie -

I'm talking about the way the race is set up, not the racers themselves.

I was not aware of those issues. I have met him and like him as a person and I have not heard anyone
say anything like what you have pointed out. I know a lot of people who have raced with him and no
one has ever said anything negative around me. I would guess that you can find someone to say
something bad about just about anyone especially in the pro ranks, because of the highly competitive
atmosphere.

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Scott Downie said:

Well he came in ahead of Fast Freddy ... Plus the rider McCormack is

one of

Quoted message said:

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the classiest bike racers you will meet.

Not everyone would agree. Here's what Julean Dean had to say the other

day:

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"McCormack came across my front wheel and took it out with 150m to go. It was an unprofessional
move because he knew I was coming around him and it was the only thing he could do."

And from the "Lousy sportsmanship?" thread on 2/5/99, Brian Jew was

quoted:

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"On lap four, the McCormacks showed off just one of the ways to make cyclo-cross a true team
sport. With Sundt moving to the front to again make his move on the run-up, Frank McCormack surged
in front to deny Sundt his line and move him toward the fencing. Then, Mark McCormack delivered
the knock-out blow". "I put my bike sideways and said (to Frank) this is your opportunity", said
Mark McCormack. "The move knocked Sundt into the fencing and sprang Frank McCormack free. Sundt
took it all in stride. 'They're professionals and they're paid to win races,' he said. 'It's
aggressive; it's like hockey on wheels. That's what makes it exciting.'"

So, do you think McCormack is classy because of this behavior or in spite of it? I'm aware
that some people think this is the correct way to ride (I don't), but does anyone really think
it's classy?

Bret

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Scott Downie said:

Well he came in ahead of Fast Freddy ... Plus the rider McCormack is

one of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the classiest bike racers you will meet.

Not everyone would agree. Here's what Julean Dean had to say the other

day:

Quoted message said:

"McCormack came across my front wheel and took it out with 150m to go. It was an unprofessional
move because he knew I was coming around him and it was the only thing he could do."

And from the "Lousy sportsmanship?" thread on 2/5/99, Brian Jew was

quoted:

Quoted message said:

"On lap four, the McCormacks showed off just one of the ways to make cyclo-cross a true team
sport. With Sundt moving to the front to again make his move on the run-up, Frank McCormack surged
in front to deny Sundt his line and move him toward the fencing. Then, Mark McCormack delivered
the knock-out blow". "I put my bike sideways and said (to Frank) this is your opportunity", said
Mark McCormack. "The move knocked Sundt into the fencing and sprang Frank McCormack free. Sundt
took it all in stride. 'They're professionals and they're paid to win races,' he said. 'It's
aggressive; it's like hockey on wheels. That's what makes it exciting.'"

So, do you think McCormack is classy because of this behavior or in spite of it? I'm aware
that some people think this is the correct way to ride (I don't), but does anyone really think
it's classy?

Bret

Horse [censored]! I was there and that was a great tactical move. It's cyclocross not freakin' paddy-cake.
McCormack is a classy rider who has taken his share of lumps. Remember when he got screwed out of an
Olympic spot in 1996 due to politics? The thread is about the formnat of the USPRO cahampionships.
As much as I'm thrilled that Mark won, I have to assume the result could have beed different if the
format was different. Cycling is interesting, it's not an "individual" sport, it's a Team sport.
Without a Team a specific individual has little chance of winning. So, would it be fair to have an
event for US Pro riders only? Maybe, but then wouldn't there be a huge shift in advantage towards
the US based Pros? Not saying it would be good or bad just different..

Danny Callen

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individual has little chance of winning. So, would it be fair to have an event for US Pro
riders only?

For a US National Championship, duh, what do you think?

I think brother Frank was the one screwed out of the Olympic Spot.

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Scott Downie said:

Well he came in ahead of Fast Freddy ... Plus the rider McCormack is

one of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the classiest bike racers you will meet.

Not everyone would agree. Here's what Julean Dean had to say the other

day:

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"McCormack came across my front wheel and took it out with 150m to go. It was an unprofessional
move because he knew I was coming around him and it was the only thing he could do."

And from the "Lousy sportsmanship?" thread on 2/5/99, Brian Jew was

quoted:

Quoted message said:

"On lap four, the McCormacks showed off just one of the ways to make cyclo-cross a true team
sport. With Sundt moving to the front to again make his move on the run-up, Frank McCormack
surged in front to deny Sundt his line and move him toward the fencing. Then, Mark McCormack
delivered the knock-out blow". "I put my bike sideways and said (to Frank) this is your
opportunity", said Mark McCormack. "The move knocked Sundt into the fencing and sprang Frank
McCormack free. Sundt took it all in stride. 'They're professionals and they're paid to win
races,' he said. 'It's aggressive; it's like hockey on wheels. That's what makes it exciting.'"

So, do you think McCormack is classy because of this behavior or in spite of it? I'm aware that
some people think this is the correct way to ride (I don't), but does anyone really think it's
classy?

Bret

Horse [censored]! I was there and that was a great tactical move. It's

cyclocross

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not freakin' paddy-cake. McCormack is a classy rider who has taken his

share

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of lumps. Remember when he got screwed out of an Olympic spot in 1996 due

to

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politics? The thread is about the formnat of the USPRO cahampionships. As much as I'm thrilled
that Mark won, I have to assume the result could have beed different if the format was different.
Cycling is interesting, it's

not

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an "individual" sport, it's a Team sport. Without a Team a specific individual has little chance
of winning. So, would it be fair to have an event for US Pro riders only? Maybe, but then wouldn't
there be a huge

shift

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in advantage towards the US based Pros? Not saying it would be good or bad just different..

Danny Callen

Danny Callen said:

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Scott Downie said:

Well he came in ahead of Fast Freddy ... Plus the rider McCormack is

one of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the classiest bike racers you will meet.

Not everyone would agree. Here's what Julean Dean had to say the other

day:

Quoted message said:

"McCormack came across my front wheel and took it out with 150m to go. It was an unprofessional
move because he knew I was coming around him and it was the only thing he could do."

And from the "Lousy sportsmanship?" thread on 2/5/99, Brian Jew was

quoted:

Quoted message said:

"On lap four, the McCormacks showed off just one of the ways to make cyclo-cross a true team
sport. With Sundt moving to the front to again make his move on the run-up, Frank McCormack surged
in front to deny Sundt his line and move him toward the fencing. Then, Mark McCormack delivered
the knock-out blow". "I put my bike sideways and said (to Frank) this is your opportunity", said
Mark McCormack. "The move knocked Sundt into the fencing and sprang Frank McCormack free. Sundt
took it all in stride. 'They're professionals and they're paid to win races,' he said. 'It's
aggressive; it's like hockey on wheels. That's what makes it exciting.'"

So, do you think McCormack is classy because of this behavior or in spite of it? I'm aware
that some people think this is the correct way to ride (I don't), but does anyone really think
it's classy?

Bret

Horse [censored]! I was there and that was a great tactical move. It's cyclocross not freakin'
paddy-cake. McCormack is a classy rider who has taken his share of lumps. Remember when he got
screwed out of an Olympic spot in 1996 due to politics? The thread is about the formnat of the
USPRO cahampionships. As much as I'm thrilled that Mark won, I have to assume the result could
have beed different if the format was different. Cycling is interesting, it's not an "individual"
sport, it's a Team sport. Without a Team a specific individual has little chance of winning. So,
would it be fair to have an event for US Pro riders only? Maybe, but then wouldn't there be a huge
shift in advantage towards the US based Pros? Not saying it would be good or bad just different..

Danny Callen

I ride cyclocross too and don't expect people to be trying to knock me down. I'll defer to the
Belgians in this group. If they say that running a competitor into the fencing while your teammate
attacks is a great tactical move, then I'll accept that as part of the sport.

Bret

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Scott Downie wrote:

>Well he came in ahead of Fast Freddy ... Plus the rider McCormack is

one of

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>the classiest bike racers you will meet.

Not everyone would agree. Here's what Julean Dean had to say the other

day:

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"McCormack came across my front wheel and took it out with 150m to go. It was an unprofessional
move because he knew I was coming around him and it was the only thing he could do."

And from the "Lousy sportsmanship?" thread on 2/5/99, Brian Jew was

quoted:

Quoted message said:

"On lap four, the McCormacks showed off just one of the ways to make cyclo-cross a true team
sport. With Sundt moving to the front to again make his move on the run-up, Frank McCormack
surged in front to deny Sundt his line and move him toward the fencing. Then, Mark McCormack
delivered the knock-out blow". "I put my bike sideways and said (to Frank) this is your
opportunity", said Mark McCormack. "The move knocked Sundt into the fencing and sprang Frank
McCormack free. Sundt took it all in stride. 'They're professionals and they're paid to win
races,' he said. 'It's aggressive; it's like hockey on wheels. That's what makes it exciting.'"

So, do you think McCormack is classy because of this behavior or in spite of it? I'm aware that
some people think this is the correct way to ride (I don't), but does anyone really think it's
classy?

Bret

Horse [censored]! I was there and that was a great tactical move. It's

cyclocross

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not freakin' paddy-cake. McCormack is a classy rider who has taken his

share

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of lumps. Remember when he got screwed out of an Olympic spot in 1996

due to

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politics? The thread is about the formnat of the USPRO cahampionships.

As

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much as I'm thrilled that Mark won, I have to assume the result could

have

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beed different if the format was different. Cycling is interesting, it's

not

Quoted message said:

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an "individual" sport, it's a Team sport. Without a Team a specific individual has little chance
of winning. So, would it be fair to have an event for US Pro riders only? Maybe, but then
wouldn't there be a huge

shift

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in advantage towards the US based Pros? Not saying it would be good or

bad

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just different..

Danny Callen

I ride cyclocross too and don't expect people to be trying to knock me down. I'll defer to the
Belgians in this group. If they say that running a competitor into the fencing while your teammate
attacks is a great tactical move, then I'll accept that as part of the sport.

Bret

Mark was ahead of Johnny going into the barrier and squeezed him off as he picked up his bike. At
least that's the way I remember it....

Danny Callen