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  1. On New Year's Eve I joined a friend at a soba (buckwheat noodle) shop
    for traditional "otoshi koshi soba" - eating a bowl of soba to send out
    the old year. A typical bowl has, I believe, about 60 gm of carbs and
    about 370 calories.

    This was after being on strict low-carb (20 carbs/day) for the past two
    weeks and after losing 11 lb that way.

    Instead of getting cravings though, I actually felt very full
    afterwards. In fact, I didn't feel like eating anything for a good 8 or
    9 hours. Even when we went to hatsumoude (the first shrine visit of the
    year, after midnight) I wasn't tempted by all the food stands with high
    or low carb offerings, like yakitori, grilled squid, etc.

    Nicky also commented in this group: "I eat buckwheat noodles every
    couple of months, as Pad Thai. A small bowlful does nothing nasty to my
    blood sugar, doesn't cause cravings, etc, etc. Buckwheat isn't a wheat,
    it's a relative of japanese knotweed!"

    To me, the ONLY point of a low-carb diet is to control hunger so that I
    don't overeat in general. But I think you also have to be calorie
    conscious in order to achieve final goal weight. So I try, when
    possible, to subsitute lower calorie low-carb items, such as chicken or
    fish instead of red meat all the time. I would also use things like
    butter buds to add butter flavor to broccoli rather than melting actual
    butter on top. Things like that.

    I am wondering, though, if regardless of theoretical carb count
    (buckwheat noodles have a lot of carbs) if the fact that they don't
    cause cravings means that they don't affect blood sugar the way some
    carbs do and if so does that mean there is no reason not to treat them
    as though they "acted like low carb foods" and eat them without
    reservation, like I would eat a hamburger?

    In the long run, if I snacked on a bowl of buckwheat noodles and really
    felt full from that for a long time, I would lose more weight wouldn't
    I? It's less calories than snacking on, say, cheese.

    Maybe for each person each *particular food* item needs to be considered
    before deciding whether is good or not on a low-carb (maybe better
    termed "low blood sugar"?) diet.

    A counter-example would be macadamia nuts. Those are "theoretically"
    low-carb (though the data ranges all over the chart depending on where
    you look), but if I eat them I get hungry for more, just like I had too
    many bad carbs.

    Maybe it's all much more "case-by-case" for each food item and not
    strictly the number of carbs, per se. Maybe the "glycemic index"
    approach is better for controlling hunger? The problem with that diet
    though is that there are some ridiculous, obviously dangerous items that
    are technically low GI as well, like chocolate eclairs and pudding!

    Anyway, what do you think?

    doug

  2. "Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On New Year's Eve I joined a friend at a soba (buckwheat noodle) shop
    for traditional "otoshi koshi soba" - eating a bowl of soba to send out
    the old year. A typical bowl has, I believe, about 60 gm of carbs and
    about 370 calories.

    That seems like a lot. Was there anything put on them or did you eat them
    with something? How big is a bowl?

    Quoted message said:


    This was after being on strict low-carb (20 carbs/day) for the past two
    weeks and after losing 11 lb that way.

    Instead of getting cravings though, I actually felt very full
    afterwards. In fact, I didn't feel like eating anything for a good 8 or
    9 hours. Even when we went to hatsumoude (the first shrine visit of the
    year, after midnight) I wasn't tempted by all the food stands with high
    or low carb offerings, like yakitori, grilled squid, etc.

    Maybe your mind was focused on staying on plan, so you didn't "give in". I
    think somethings what LCer just "give in" and almost make up "cravings" in
    their minds.

    Quoted message said:


    Nicky also commented in this group: "I eat buckwheat noodles every
    couple of months, as Pad Thai. A small bowlful does nothing nasty to my
    blood sugar, doesn't cause cravings, etc, etc. Buckwheat isn't a wheat,
    it's a relative of japanese knotweed!"

    How much is a small bowlful? How much exercise does Nicky get?

    Quoted message said:


    To me, the ONLY point of a low-carb diet is to control hunger so that I
    don't overeat in general. But I think you also have to be calorie
    conscious in order to achieve final goal weight. So I try, when
    possible, to subsitute lower calorie low-carb items, such as chicken or
    fish instead of red meat all the time. I would also use things like
    butter buds to add butter flavor to broccoli rather than melting actual
    butter on top. Things like that.

    I am wondering, though, if regardless of theoretical carb count
    (buckwheat noodles have a lot of carbs) if the fact that they don't
    cause cravings means that they don't affect blood sugar the way some
    carbs do and if so does that mean there is no reason not to treat them
    as though they "acted like low carb foods" and eat them without
    reservation, like I would eat a hamburger?

    Be careful. Are they carbs or not? Also, 60 g might not be that much if
    you haven't been eating that many carbs and if you exercise regularly. In
    fact, 60 g of carbs typically wouldn't bother me at all. I need way more
    carbs than that to get cravings.

    Quoted message said:


    In the long run, if I snacked on a bowl of buckwheat noodles and really
    felt full from that for a long time, I would lose more weight wouldn't
    I? It's less calories than snacking on, say, cheese.

    Bottom line: if you can manage to eat less (fewer calories) and lose weight,
    do what works.

    If you're not a T2 and have no issues with BG, and don't get them from these
    noodles, you have my permission to eat them at will provided you make
    progress.

    Quoted message said:


    Maybe for each person each *particular food* item needs to be considered
    before deciding whether is good or not on a low-carb (maybe better
    termed "low blood sugar"?) diet.

    A counter-example would be macadamia nuts. Those are "theoretically"
    low-carb (though the data ranges all over the chart depending on where
    you look), but if I eat them I get hungry for more, just like I had too
    many bad carbs.

    I think that's just "like" not cravings. In fact, I'm convinced that
    cravings can be beat down with just a little practice and the desire not to
    stay off plan. It doesn't even take a lot of will power. To a large degree,
    this "cravings" thing is getting a little bit overhyped in here. People are
    using it as an excuse for falling off plan.

    Quoted message said:


    Maybe it's all much more "case-by-case" for each food item and not
    strictly the number of carbs, per se. Maybe the "glycemic index"
    approach is better for controlling hunger? The problem with that diet
    though is that there are some ridiculous, obviously dangerous items that
    are technically low GI as well, like chocolate eclairs and pudding!

    Anyway, what do you think?

    Comment: you've gotten back on LC and you're counting calories and losing
    weight. Why rock the damn boat, doug?

  3. I don't have any opinion on eating buckwheat "without reservation", but I
    ran across this article while doing a google search for something else
    yesterday. Note that they're talking about diabetic rats, not people. But
    it certainly is interesting. :-)

    http://www.newstarget.com/000134.html

    Doug Lerner said:

    I am wondering, though, if regardless of theoretical carb count
    (buckwheat noodles have a lot of carbs) if the fact that they don't
    cause cravings means that they don't affect blood sugar the way some
    carbs do and if so does that mean there is no reason not to treat them
    as though they "acted like low carb foods" and eat them without
    reservation, like I would eat a hamburger?

    -----
    Bev

  4. Roger Zoul said:
    Quoted message said:

    On New Year's Eve I joined a friend at a soba (buckwheat noodle) shop
    for traditional "otoshi koshi soba" - eating a bowl of soba to send out
    the old year. A typical bowl has, I believe, about 60 gm of carbs and
    about 370 calories.

    That seems like a lot. Was there anything put on them or did you eat them
    with something? How big is a bowl?

    It was pretty big. 🙂 To be honest, I'm not exactly sure. I was guessing
    200 gm of cooked soba noodles, because that it what usually goes into a
    typical serving bowl of rice. Also, the convenience store was selling
    soba that day and that's what was marked on that package.

    Quoted message said:

    Bottom line: if you can manage to eat less (fewer calories) and lose weight,
    do what works.

    Yes, true.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Comment: you've gotten back on LC and you're counting calories and losing
    weight. Why rock the damn boat, doug?


    Because I'm beginning to feel that the boat is a bit like a stodgy old
    cruise ship and the only entertainment is shuffleboard and reruns of the
    same movies. It would be nice, in general, to have more VARIETY. That
    always helps staying on any diet.

    doug

  5. Bev-Ann said:

    I don't have any opinion on eating buckwheat "without reservation", but I
    ran across this article while doing a google search for something else
    yesterday. Note that they're talking about diabetic rats, not people. But
    it certainly is interesting. :-)

    http://www.newstarget.com/000134.html

    Very interesting, Bev-Ann! I'll investigate more too.

    doug

  6. On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:33:31 +0900, Doug Lerner <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe for each person each *particular food* item needs to be considered
    before deciding whether is good or not on a low-carb (maybe better
    termed "low blood sugar"?) diet.

    YES.

    This is EXACTLY right. You have to consider each person individually
    to be sure what is 'right' for them or not.

    If *you* in particular can eat a small bowl of soba now and again, and
    *I* cannot (tried it - it sent my bgs way too high for comfort) then
    for you it's a safe food and for me it's not. As a man, you very
    likely have a safe carb level far higher than mine as a very insulin
    resistant diabetic (T2) woman.

    That's why, when people come to the list and say "Can I eat..." or
    "Can I drink..." the only answer that makes sense is 'try it and see'.
    Lots of people don't like that answer. It makes them nervous to have
    to actually EXPERIMENT but it's true.

    Aramanth

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