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Werent they all employed in soem respect by their universities.professors, teaching assistants etc?
And where does University funding come from?
Some from the tax paper, some from patronage, some from industry. All a fixed amount rather than an open ended sum available to anyone who'd like to study indefinitely.
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I take your point, but that doens't imply that therefore anyone should be able to study whatever they want for as long as they want..which is the implication of the complaint that people who choose to do post grad studies should be funded by someone else (generally aka the rest of us).
Who do you think actually does most of the research?
'the* research???'...you'll have to narrow it down a bit more than that.....research into media studies..surfing....david beckham...quantum mechanics..film criticism....DNA...genetics...????
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As for baroque music being irrelevant as a subject to study, I bet more westerners would be familiar with the works of Bach, Vivaldi and Handel
None of whom got grants or even student loans.
But lived instead on patronage - the then equivalent of today's Arts Council grant - and what they could earn from part time jobs and selling compositions - the then equivalent of a part time evening job.
Tony
Well then perhaps todays post grads can do that instead of whinging about not being supported by those on uk.rec.cycling (trying to get back on topic) who pay taxes.
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"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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Werent they all employed in soem respect by their universities.professors, teaching assistants etc?
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And where does University funding come from?
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Some from the tax paper, some from patronage, some from industry. All a fixed amount rather than an open ended sum available to anyone who'd like to study indefinitely.
You don't get accepted to do a postgrad degree just because you want to. There are necessary qualifications, which ensures that only a few unusually clever and well educated folk are allowed in. And you don't get to study indefinitely. If you muck about you get thrown out. If you try hard but can't make the grade you get thrown out. And if you do make reasonable progress, but slowly, after a certain reasonable amount of time you're thrown on your own resources. After a certain further time, you're thrown out. -- Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
: You don't get accepted to do a postgrad degree just because you want : to.
Really? That may still be true for a PhD course, but it's definatly no longer true for a MSc. Pay the money and you get let on the course. And once you've paid, you'll have to really, really, really try to fail.
: You don't get accepted to do a postgrad degree just because you want : to.
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Really? That may still be true for a PhD course, but it's definatly no longer true for a MSc. Pay the money and you get let on the course. And once you've paid, you'll have to really, really, really try to fail.
They may well do that in some of these rubbish modern "universities" the Govt created as a prelude to stuffing half the population through "university". -- Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
: You don't get accepted to do a postgrad degree just because you want : to.
Really? That may still be true for a PhD course, but it's definatly no longer true for a MSc. Pay the money and you get let on the course. And once you've paid, you'll have to really, really, really try to fail.
Arthur
You're saying that British universities are now offering Masters degrees for sale, a practice hitherto thought to be confined to Certain Other Countries. Is there an age limit for purchasers? I never did get around to doing a Masters when young. :-)
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:53:36 +0000, Brian G <[email hidden]>
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: You don't get accepted to do a postgrad degree just because you want : to.
Really? That may still be true for a PhD course, but it's definatly no longer true for a MSc. Pay the money and you get let on the course. And once you've paid, you'll have to really, really, really try to fail.
Arthur
You're saying that British universities are now offering Masters degrees for sale, a practice hitherto thought to be confined to Certain Other Countries. Is there an age limit for purchasers? I never did get around to doing a Masters when young. :-)
It's more the case that if you keep writing the cheques (couple of grand a year?), they won't throw you off. Still have to do the work to get the degree, though.
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:53:36 +0000, Brian G <[email hidden]>
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: You don't get accepted to do a postgrad degree just because you want : to.
Really? That may still be true for a PhD course, but it's definatly no longer true for a MSc. Pay the money and you get let on the course. And once you've paid, you'll have to really, really, really try to fail.
Arthur
You're saying that British universities are now offering Masters degrees for sale, a practice hitherto thought to be confined to Certain Other Countries. Is there an age limit for purchasers? I never did get around to doing a Masters when young. :-)
It's more the case that if you keep writing the cheques (couple of grand a year?), they won't throw you off. Still have to do the work to get the degree, though.
Except at Cambridge IIRC? Do they still do that? A friend of mine got an MA there just for turning up a year later after his BSc and paying a few quid. This was <fx>cough</fx> several years ago though.
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" [Not Responding] " <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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It's more the case that if you keep writing the cheques (couple of grand a year?), they won't throw you off. Still have to do the work to get the degree, though.
Except at Cambridge IIRC? Do they still do that? A friend of mine got an MA there just for turning up a year later after his BSc and paying a few quid. This was <fx>cough</fx> several years ago though.
This is historical. The MA is what your friend went there to get. They gave him a BSc after 3 or 4 years to give him a bit of paper that employers would understand, as that's the bit of paper the other English universities hand out, until he qualified for his MA after seven years. It is the other English universities that are "different", for what it matters.
Except at Cambridge IIRC? Do they still do that? A friend of mine got an MA there just for turning up a year later after his BSc and paying a few quid. This was <fx>cough</fx> several years ago though.
And Oxford, or at least it was the case when Dr Larrington went from BA to MA.
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Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ World Domination? Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)
: They may well do that in some of these rubbish modern "universities" : the Govt created as a prelude to stuffing half the population through : "university".
Really? Do you think it's just the modern ones? Look at my posting address
: You're saying that British universities are now offering Masters degrees : for sale
No. Nothing that blatent. I'm saying that if you pay, and turn up and hand in something bearing a vague relation to what you are ment to hand in, even if that isn't very good, then you'll pass.
Except at Cambridge IIRC? Do they still do that? A friend of mine got an MA there just for turning up a year later after his BSc and paying a few quid.
Bzzt. No such thing as a BSc at Cambridge. Those new-fangled things are an innovation of newer universities.
And why did he want to *pay* for his MA? Didn't he earn it?
1960s-vintage, innit? The penultimate big wave of expansion gave us some unis with rather strong reputations - like Warwick, for instance.
I have some vague recollection of putting York on my UCCA form and visiting it[1] as a sixth-former. Looked OK - I think I might even have gone there if Cambridge had turned me down.
[1] They were careful not to call it an interview - they really couldn't afford to risk intimidating or insulting candidates with the notion of having to achieve something even then.
Except at Cambridge IIRC? Do they still do that? A friend of mine got an MA there just for turning up a year later after his BSc and paying a few quid. This was <fx>cough</fx> several years ago though.
Cambridge and Oxford tradition I believe - plus you have to stay out of jail to qualify. OTOH most employers know that so discount its value.
"Nick Kew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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Except at Cambridge IIRC? Do they still do that? A friend of mine got an MA there just for turning up a year later after his BSc and paying a few quid.
Well it was umpty years ago , maybe it wasa BA then. Materials Science or some such IIRC.
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Bzzt. No such thing as a BSc at Cambridge. Those new-fangled things are an innovation of newer universities.
And why did he want to *pay* for his MA? Didn't he earn it?
-- Nick Kew
Again IIRC he had to pay some trivial sum of money and then he got it. Maybe he didnt even have to pay any money.
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grand a year?), they won't throw you off. Still have to do the work to get the degree, though.
Except at Cambridge IIRC? Do they still do that? A friend of mine got an MA there just for turning up a year later after his BSc and paying a few quid.
After his BA, Cambridge doesn't hold with these newfangled BSc things. And you have to have not been convicted of anything serious in the meantime so someone can assure someone else in Latin that you are of good character (and it's five years after matriculation, which is generally two years after graduation). As far as I know it's still the same.
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:53:36 +0000, Brian G <[email hidden]> wrote:
Except at Cambridge IIRC? Do they still do that? A friend of mine got an MA there just for turning up a year later after his BSc and paying a few quid. This was <fx>cough</fx> several years ago though.
My father did that, immediately before the war. Mind you, he had just got a double first.
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:53:36 +0000, Brian G <[email hidden]> wrote:
Except at Cambridge IIRC? Do they still do that? A friend of mine got an MA there just for turning up a year later after his BSc and paying a few quid. This was <fx>cough</fx> several years ago though.
My father did that, immediately before the war. Mind you, he had just got a double first.
Dr Martin (the other one) did that at Oxford. paid her tenner and got her MA. Then a D phil so she is another MAD Phil..
You're saying that British universities are now offering Masters degrees for sale, a practice hitherto thought to be confined to Certain Other Countries. Is there an age limit for purchasers? I never did get around to doing a Masters when young. :-)
I believe mine sells them for about a tenner. I've not got round to buying one yet.
Again IIRC he had to pay some trivial sum of money and then he got it. Maybe he didnt even have to pay any money.
The money was to cover "administrative fees".
We had a teacher at school who was ex-Cambridge. He held a BA in physics. The university contacted him a year (IIRC) after his degree to offer him the MA. He politely declined, explaining that if he wanted an MA, he go and do one.
The argument was that an Oxbridge BA was worth an MA from A.N.Other university. Of course, the fact that they didn't give you the MA from the start, combined with the peculiar wait (Based on the assumption that your knowledge in the field will have been steadily increasing since the end of your degree!) makes it look like a bit like an Old Boy's pat on the back.
